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I had both boards and I really like this MSI board (previously all my boards were Asus RE boards). Heatsinks design aside, they are most certainly more solid and actually doing a better job than the ones on the RIVE for which you WILL need a waterblock at extra cost. I have no complains...

To share my experience, when I changed to X79 I initially bought the RIVE but found it to be DOA AFTER I had assembed everything including the CPU/GPU water loop, the board was not able to boot up..... The shop where I bought it offered exchange with EVGA classified or the MSI BB XPII since...

Go with Nvidia. Hardware is good and drivers are good. Just changed from ATI to Nvidia and am very happy. Games run a lot smoother. AMD is not able to beat NVidia on hardware side in terms of performance but they sell their hardware cheaper so its is a good deal, BUT you are still left with...

So far many who answered where having card of both parties. For me before the 8800GTX I was with a X1900 and before that X1800 (before THAT I was all the way on consoles...since I had not discovered then my today's hobby, the PC you build, upgrade & tune yourself). Just to probe further, there...

So I am not the only one. After the crossfire experience and browsing many forums I am more and more inclined to stay away from multi-gpu setups (I thought next year I may pick up a second gtx580).

I have just changed from a 5870 crossfire setup to a single GTX580 and want to share the experience. It is quite amazing and of the games I had time to try so far, they play much smoother now, especially GTAIV, NSF Hot Pursuit, NFS Shift, Alien vs Predator (this surprised me...), Fallout New...

Anyway you have a point more choice for gamers, which brings us back to the OP experience of driver support. It seems this series looks better, whether irfan be maintained for new games and leveraged to the previous gen cards such as the hd5 series remains to be seen.

Reaper my thinking may be to simple but amd had quite a head start for about 6-7 month plus as said the chip has gotten bigger and is approaching the three billion transistor range and they are still not able to pull ahead. Why? When decided to go back to ati after a gtx280 it was because of...

The past two years ati build smaller chips and banked on price performance ratio. You are right they place the new cards below the gtx580. What made me think that they have been caught with their pants down is the following: They had a head start into dx11 and in the end it seems that nvidia...

I will be purchasing a gtx580 soon, coming from 5870 crossfire and tired waiting for a decent diver. Was thinking very hard since both cards look nice with ek block but after solid three days trying driver after driver and a plethora of games... I give up on AMD. Terry is still on the driver...

Flapjack, this is a know bug for 10.8. You can revert to 10.7 or instead if you really want to use the 10.8's you can setup a custom resolution and apply this instead. Drawback of a custom resolution is that you will have to run at a slightly lower resolution than your screens native...

The troll is the one who does not actually bothers to understand the argument brought forward and states meaningless platitudes. Answer to the points brought forward (I say it again for you: Poor Crossfire performance after many month + driver regression). You got something meaningful to say...

Agreed. I just installed Borderlands again after changing my SSD and encountered the same issue using 10.7. Now I switched back to 10.4 a few month old driver...what a screw up, really someone needs to go/replaced to bring fresh wind into this driver team fiasco. As of now I am thinking very...

I myself come from Nvidia after having a 8800GTX, followed by a GTX280. Then I waited for Nvidia's next gen and as the info's trickled out of high heat/power consumption, I decided to try ATI since the reviews of their hardware were very favourable. So I am able to compare the drivers and...

The last two posts have made my point clear. People will shy away from AMD or even go back to Nvidia if driver team does not get their act together. This is not anymore about supporting the underdog. AMD hardware is good and more important the development cycle well in control. It is a shame...

TheBlueChanell, don't worry I have been self-sufficient for years and I know that for any issue on PC the best and only tool is Google (to get to the forums providing experiences and info on how to solve the issue). Before opening up this thread I have searched answers to the issue with the...

Sorry, don't want to come to hard across, but at my work if I would deliver such performance & results I would better take some time and think if I am at the right place. And If I don't do it by myself, my Boss will do it for me.

I am aware of the 10.5 drivers and yes this is not an isolated issue and yes I know how to use Driver cleaner.... Come on! That is not the issue I am raising here. I have not opened this thread to get the usual workarounds or people challenging "this your hardware" or "your are a noob with...

AMD is in trouble...their hardware is good but the software (aka the driver support) leaves much to be desired. I have two 5870's in crossfire which were recently beaten in performance by two GTX460 in SLI. Now I would not care for brand, but the fact that a GTX460 is almost half the price of...

With c2d intel came back to the game ( btw they were the reason I came back to the pc). Small market share yes, but just look how many forums, overclocking stats and competition... This is good PR for any company. Motherboard manufactures, ram manufacturers they all rely on overclocking to...

Hi have just read an article on Anandtech on the upcoming Sandy bridge. The previous info on fixed bus seems to be true, meaning that overclocking is only possible using CPU multiplier and this will remove most of the fun in overclocking today... I think its a bad idea and depending on AMD's...

Hi, see my current rig in sig. Am thinking whether I should upgrade from EVGA P55 Classified to Rampage III Formula. With current rig everything runs fine, just have the itch. But is the RIIIF really a better board/upgrade? It is X58 with 8 phase PWM, but the P55 has 10+2 PWM, the NF200 to...

GoldenTiger you missed my point. You pretty much can pick your website reviews the way you want to. General consensus is 10-15% performance gain. For you its enough to put in the effort to reply to every single post being not impressed, for the others it is not enough to warrant the long wait...

I am thinking in the same direction and would like to see reviews where the 5870 is overclocked to 950-1000 and then see what will be difference. I mean its just fair to have a performance comparison within a similar power envelope. I also agree that comparing between sites the numbers can...

Price wise I also would expect te gtx480 to be above the msrp and the ati 5870 to drop back to or below the msrp.

I have to say for someone to make a statement of fucking greenpeace... How ignorant you need to be. Unless you don't plan to breed or just don't care about the state the environment is in, grow up!

Global foundries is doing 28nm process and amd/ati are supposed to jump to them. For the past 2 years ati was faster in switching to a smaller process node as compared to nvidia, I would attribute this to their design approach but also having more experience in the actual process integration...

Yes evga is fast and wc is the way to go for the gtx480. Just curious the blocks seem from swifttech but do not seem to cover much of the vrm's instead there are passive sinks employed. Want to see ek's block...

It is the fastest single gpu card, but hot and loud. That about sums it up, no need to jump at each others throats. Also take note that w/o strong opinions any such thread would die of soon. I respect goldentigers opinion although mine differs on certain aspects, but sure as he'll it is fun to...

To recap to GTX280 times. The card was also hot and big compared to the competition. I rushed to buy it after having a good experience with the 8800GTX and was upset once the 4870 scores come out just a few weeks after. Still I sticked to it, bought a watercooling block to keep the thermals...

I believe once you get your GTX480 you will be able to experience this for real and not just literally (sorry GoldenTiger was not able to resist...). Voted 4 for the good drivers and developer support Nvidia has.

There are a lot of reviews, some claiming victory for Fermi (techpowerup, Guru3D), some claim it as a Flop (Bit-tech) having encountered less performance increase in their testing. I would be interested in it for the really good drivers and developer support frankly, but the heat/power issue...

If it would have been watercooling and you still get 87 degree, the card would burn up using stock cooler under furmark. I still rember the overtemp issue with the gtx280 (the initial 65nm) when people were running furmark.

Still he was right on the heat, power consumption and reduction in cuda cores, hence at least give him credit for this. IMO puplications who follow nvidia propaganda and just placatly print what they have been told without question are the dbags.

BlueStorm, the issue is that a benchmark was puplished which appears now to be biased, and the people who performed this benchmark are supposed to be experts, do you seriously expect them not to know... So for anyone calling Charlie biased or a "liar" and so on, I do not hear any comment on...

He was not in the past,. "Hate" is a very motivating driving force. I believe he is spot on as before or very close, problem is though that I understand more and more why he dislikes Nvidia so much.

These charts have been shown in another thread by dontbeevil. When requesting for source and testbed no further info. Waiting for end of march...

Reminder: when Charlie puplished some time back that the gf100 has high TDP, consumes a lot of power and they may not be able to have enough chips to launch enough cards having the full (by design 512 cud cores) many were upset. Now he was spot on and only now just before launch nvidia is...

Hmm..I got to say that comparing Nvidia to the current ATI drivers, they do seem to be better if alone for the good game profiles and easiness to set them up in comparison to ATI profile manager. The recent Nvidia driver who screwed up cards is an outlier. Golden Tiger for me I do care about...