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I have both in different machines, at capacity; and the only way you'd think that is by reading reviews that aren't testing correctly.... or are using some of the really crappy SSDs or old firmware.... If you buy Vertex's, or a version of the X25-M or X25-E you will be fine.

Yup. 1 SSD = 12 15k SAS disks, roughly. I benched 48 Seagate 15k 36GB SAS Disks in external enclosures on PERC6's with a TPC-C OLTP-style benchmark.... compared to four X25-E's on internal RAID.... and the four little drives beat up on the SAS disks. Fun stuff.

I came from four 15k SAS disks for my OS disk, and I feel the ssd's roast those. Single raptor to single SSD there is no contest. SSD will bury the raptor (assuming you get a vertex or intel based disk)

What brand SSD are you experiencing this on? I run the 120gb vertex in my laptop with 100GB or so on it all the time and while benches will show a difference actuall usage does feel much different.

Snag a single 120GB for your laptop, and welcome to the future. It will totally change the machine!

Stable yes, however I suspect future firmware will require a wipe. I don't find that to be a big deal, but I realize some do. v1.1 (1370) is the current release.

I'd go with less cache before I'd not have an SSD ;) If you are running a single disk for your OS, it should be ridiculously faster.

I ran 3, and then 4 30GB Vertex's, then swapped to 3X X25-E's in my workstation. Very little difference in use that I can tell - used the Vertex's for 40 days or so, Intel presently for around 30. Laptop went from 120GB Vertex to 80GB X25-M to 64GB X25-E, then back to a 120GB Vertex. Real...

Single 7200RPM drive to a Vertex is a gigantic difference to me in real world usage. Worth every dollar. To the point where I swapped every machine I have over to SSD for OS/programs/swaps, laptops, two systems, and an entire ESX server (6X 64GB X25-E's at the moment, running vSphere 4.0 with a...

The "best bang for the buck" in my opinion is hands down the Vertex's. Intel X25-E beats them all of course, but is spendy.

Here's a real-world whitepaper on SSD under SQL, if anyone is interested. (some of the reasons for having all these drives was for this whitepaper. It is all about the latency for end users. Interesting power differences though as a side note. 1 SSD = at least 12 15k SAS disks in IOPS/latency...

1 X25-E SSD = around 12 SAS 15k disks (on RAID0!) In most database environment, throughput it completely irrelevant. I'd suggest ignoring any posts in this thread about throughput. Maxing out the controller isn't an issue until you are talking around 30k IOPS. Even then, there is no...

I would do the two 32GBers. Perfectly fine - in fact I would encourage it - to use the ICH10R for SSD's You have something wrong, or misconfigured, in your system. No way you should see 100% usage. Also, it is actually the SATA controller that becomes the bottleneck should you run 4 of...

It is nice and simple: SSD will last longer than whatever disk you are using today. Also, who cares? Don't you backup your data????!?!?? TRIM will be something available in Windows XP, but I'd bet mainly by OCZ and other manufactures that cater to people like are on this board. They have...

TRIM will "fix" this issue effectively, but it isn't an SSD issue it is an Operating System issue (need to be in the OS) to be standard. But....OCZ has a beta tool out already with the 1370 that will trim the drive and help elminate the slow down issue. That said - in real usage the "slow...

Thanks! Vista x64 with as much disabled as possible (indexing, fetches, etc) on an Asus P6T6 WS Revolution Motherboard. In HD Tune, it was so fast it hardly touched CPU - always under 5%. I did also play in IOMeter with a REALLY nasty test. (70/30%, high delayed 3MB bursts, all random...

Yeah - I left that in there. There is a column for the controller that was in use. The results for that are worthless based on additional testing in IOMeter. Just ignore it.

No prob. Not done yet, but have to head out town tomorrow so I needed to put the now lone workstation that I didn't kill back together for the wife to use! Plan to test extensively on the Areca 1680 next

Here is another interesting exercise. Vertex firmware revisions - all four of them - on a 120GBer. Firmware *matters* on SSD even moreso than HD's. Look at the difference at the firmware (most of the reviews out there are based on it) versus the newest!!!! Original 0112: 1199: 1275...

For those that want to know about photoshop, here is a better test than what I have hardware for: http://download.intel.com/design/flash/nand/extreme/Photoshop_CS4_Performance_Comparison.pdf Too many variables on my side - I decided not to waste the time. Photoshop and Lightroom's differences...

These kind of benches are pretty worthless for this type of disk subsystem, but here it goes. I'll be playing extensively with IOMeter, SQLIO, and Benchmark Factory with the 1680 and the X25s in weeks to come to show and tell. All X-25-E's (12) on Areca 1680. 5 X25-E's on the ICH10R:

Here is some data. This is entirely on the ICH10R, pretty much any drive I could hang off of it. 1X, 2X, 3X, etc. Without question, it is limited to around 600MB/sec -Intel Matric Cache was always off. It DEFINITELY has a huge effect on writes especially, but for the purposes of stable...

Heh - nope. Been struggling with the 1680 - not getting anything over 900MB/sec from it. Was expecting more. I did get 30,000+ IOPS from the SSD's in IOMeter with a 70/30% split. Even 22,000 with it at 100% random 4k. :D I'll at least post a spreadsheet with the Crystal and HDTune Random...

Even with the 10k write issue, an SSD should last longer than a standard hard drive in normal use. It isn't that simple - it isn't going to wear out in 6 months. There is a point it will arrive at where it is "slower" than a new drive, but it should not degrade further from there. BTW: even...

Data loss on SSD is more of a graceful failure, but it does exist. You'd know before you lost all your shit - plus even if it failed you could read the data from the drive just not write to it (in theory) That MTBF sounds like SLC... MLC which most of the drives consumers buy are no where...

Can do. The "real reason" I have all these SSD is directly related to high IOPS testing around SQL 2008. Comparing the SSD's to traditional DAS and SAN technologies. 12 or more on the 1680 should give interesting results. I'm also going to see what happens with 12 X25-E's on the 1680, 4...

Tests being run now include: -ATTO -CrystalMark -HD Tach Read -HD Tach Writes Debating: -IOMeter with a few custom tests for I/O I'm testing various flavors of Vertex firmwares on a 120GBer now with all four firmwares.

It isn't that simple unfortunately. It is really based on "free" block on the SSD. If the SSD isn't very full and is new, often there are many blocks that are "free" (new, don't need to be erased), so it is faster. As you age an SSD and have used much of the SSD, it will drop in speed for...

Def - I'm curious also. The Areca I've had for a long while - so the 1680 should be interesting as I expect it to not cap out until 1GB/sec. I'll find the limits of the card though - 12X X25-E's should make it cry (hopefully) I'm also going to do a comparison with the Vertex firmware for fun...

Sure, can do. I'll add HD Tune to the list of tests.

Tomorrow I'm doing some testing with the hardware below - wanted to start this thread early in case anyone in this community would like to suggest certain tests. It is just for fun, mainly because of access to them all at once. I'm testing scenarios with Photoshop CS4 and Lightroom under...

600MB - 660MB or so is all the ICH10R can do. I have four 30GB Vertex's on X58 board right now - and new/read speeds that is the limit. I went with four for the write speed increases - especially as the drives age.

Just snag an SSD and be done with it. You could build a 100% fanless and noiseless computer; no moving parts, etc. Then, for backups or long term archive storage or whatever you could have an external drive you could turn off when you don't have to have it on. Vertex 120GB perhaps?

I hear that.

Correct - still RAID0 I run 4 30GB Vertexes on RAID0 - on a ICH10R chipset (X58 Asus P6T6 board)

Faster - and higher random writes will just increase performance that much more. It will also be a little cheaper!

In short: They wil rock. The Vertex's are not plauged by "write issues" like many other MLC SSD's are. You might consider three 30GBers, however.....

Have fun with the Summit - the engineering samples show the Vertex ahead of it. Maybe they will do something more with the firmware?

All you guys that are "waiting" are missing out. I'll take the performance, today. $220 worth, just two 30GB disks, will wipe the floor with a couple of Raptors - or even SAS disks - for most individuals' usage profile. OP: Go for it. The Vertex is the first "cheap" SSD that really...

This is actually not really the case any longer with SSD's that have some cache. Intel's M and the OCZ Vertex are two such examples of MLC disks with some cache on the controller. Benches do not show how they will work in the real world very well. With the Vertexes you can just align them...