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Good point. I guess the difference there is that there's relatively low heat density, and space to provide enough heatsinking? Whereas scaler ASICs with cooling demands have a lot less surface area for a heatsink to be effective on, and therefore forced air is needed?

Not well. Power consumption is absolutely ridiculous, response time can almost be measured with a stopwatch (IIRC it's something like 63 ms), contrast ratio is... not modern. So, funny story with that: IBM was actually thinking along those lines, on the DG5 (the version I have). They decided...

It depends on what's putting out the heat, and what needs cooled. CRT and plasma displays, it's the display tube or panel itself that's emitting the heat, and there's nothing particularly temperature sensitive in there. LCDs with fans aren't cooling the panel, they're cooling the scaler...

I wonder if this VM2322 firmware update would work on the Sunix devices: https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles/fwdphb07.exe (Make sure a monitor's plugged into the Sunix device before running that.) Also, if you do try it, might be a good idea to run it in a command prompt with the -v...

X370/B350 aren't strictly necessary on a SFF AM4 board (the X/B/A300 simply being SPI-attached security chips, as I understand), but there's benefits to having them. If you want any USB 3.1 Gen 2 ports, more than four USB 3.0 ports, any USB 2.0 ports, more than two SATA ports, or more than 24...

I have not. The push-pin mounts aren't my preference by a long shot, but they do work. One thing that can help is removing the fan from the heatsink, and mounting it to the chassis instead (maybe cut a spacer out of 2 mm thick material to guide the air into the heatsink, although I'm quite...

A couple routes to take, really. The first route is air - the Scythe Kabuto II is what I run, and I'm quite happy with its performance (although at stock clocks). For water, I'd run a custom loop with a waterblock on the GPU, too. Now, I've got concerns about your power supply choice - I'd...

There's always flipping the power supply fan to be an intake, although that'll void the power supply warranty, and expose the modder to hazardous voltages.

Yes, I'm using one fan, side panel, intake to the CPU. No exhaust fans anywhere in the case, the only fans are the PSU (intake from right side, so it's not interacting with the case at all), CPU intake, and GPU blower.

Overclocking, a duct may be called for, but at stock clocks, I don't have one. As far as the GPU being so hot... it's a blower-cooled reference-based 960, that PNY slightly overclocked. (Even then, it's hitting the TDP limit at the same time as the thermal limit...) A duct may be helpful there...

For what it's worth, with an i5-6600K (although at stock clocks), running four threads of Prime95 and FurMark, this is what I get (with the stock Kabuto II 1300 RPM fan running at a bit over 1000 RPM, unmounted from the heatsink, and mounted to the chassis fan bracket (which takes it 2 mm away...

And my build is completed and running. Assorted thoughts: Aluminum is thermally conductive. The right and top sides of the case get warm. But, I'm not stroking my case, and that's conducting heat away from the components, so I'll take it. Temperatures are good, and noise is low enough for...

The problem with those is signal integrity could be severely compromised. USB 3.0 has some rather heavy duty requirements for shielded twisted pair or shielded twinaxial cable, and that's very much not that.

Like I said, you might also look at the micro desktops. The ThinkCentre M900 Tiny Desktop, OptiPlex 7040 Micro, and EliteDesk 800 G2 Desktop Mini would get you a 35 watt quad core in about 1.1-1.2 liters (and the EliteDesk is available with 65 watt CPUs, although I really wonder how loud it'd...

Ah, looking over docs on USB 3.0, I see the point there - shielded(!) twisted pair being required makes things really tough, and apparently the EMI considerations are significant, so I guess motherboard manufacturers are just going to have to learn to put the USB 3.0 header well outside of the...

So I'm dry-fitting my build, and I noticed a real annoyance with the USB 3.0 connector on my GA-Z170N-Gaming 5... it's near the CPU. USB 3.0 plugs are tall. It fouled the heatpipes with a Kabuto II in the optimal (pipe ends pointing up) orientation. Guess I'm running pipe ends pointing towards...

According to tracking, I've got a case sitting at my door right now. Looks like it's time for a Micro Center trip after work.

I'm thinking you might be happier with something along the lines of one of the ~1 liter business desktops, than a NUC (which uses dual core laptop CPUs typically), just because it looks like some of your workloads are fairly CPU-intensive. So, that'd mean something like a ThinkCentre M-Series...

Haswell-M is the last generation of Intel socketed mobile CPUs, and Haswell-H is the soldered version of Haswell-M, for comparison. The closest comparison is between i7-4700MQ and i7-4700HQ. Both are 2.4-3.4 GHz 4C8T CPUs with HD Graphics 4600 (although MQ is 0.4-1.15 GHz, versus HQ being...

Mind you, getting left angle cables would work, too, with no requirement to route behind the board (and to use all four SATA ports, would be necessary I think). Oh, and there's two SATA ports on the board without doing that, too.

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041878844&postcount=17767 shows a build with a GA-Z170N-Wifi (which has the same SATA arrangement), with SATA cables, behind an SFX-L PSU. So, it can be done it seems. But, I didn't catch that when planning my own build, thanks for the heads up. (This'll make...

Myself, I'm going with the Gigabyte GA-Z170N-Gaming 5. If it had better fan control in the BIOS, and had Intel instead of Killer Ethernet, I'd be happier, but otherwise... (There's also the GA-Z170N-Wifi, which does have Intel Ethernet, but it doesn't have the reinforced PCIe slot (nice to have...

Bumping this thread because I was thinking of PICMG 1.3/SHB Express (the standard has both names, I'll use SHBe for expediency) for other reasons, then stumbled on the half-length variant's existence, and realized the implications for SFF. I'll note that measurements are coming from version 0.9...

I'm thinking the GPU could supply the PC, although you've still gotta supply quite a lot of power to keep a GPU happy. Oh, and MXM can be reasonably compatible, I thought, if you stuck to a 100 W or a 55 W (depending on MXM-B or MXM-A) TDP limit - the idea being that you could use any MXM card...

I'd also argue that if some vendors really started pushing MXM, MXM would take off. MSI's getting behind it and putting it in desktops, now, though, and apparently guaranteeing a couple years of GPU upgradeability for their platforms that use it. Another thing with eGPU boxes, though, for 5x5...

You know, I'm wondering if things would be better if the PSU connector were just condensed to the individual rails. +12V1, +12V2, -12V, +5V, +3V3, +5VSB, and GND. The +12V and GND wires would have to be thicker (I'd say 6 AWG?), but it could work. Looks like there's some high-current D-sub...

It may well be possible to buy MXM cards from MSI, but with MXM, you're often locked into one particular vendor. (The MXM brief specifically forbids this, mind you, but...)

One idea to make the original intake-backward design look less awkward might be to break up the top panel by either continuing the intake around the top, or if there's not room for that, painting a black stripe along the top to join the side intakes to the top panel.

Random thought... how consistent is the CPU position in Micro-ATX? Because if it is consistent, I can see a way around the issues with watercooling for air travel, and for heavy heatsinks for mechanical durability, that would allow for a smaller case. (Watercooling gives room for the power...

Or if you want more than a mobile dual core. (Although Intel does have 5x5 coming out for that...) And, the OP doesn't want a power brick.

I found where someone had used a Kabuto II in an NCASE M1 (might've been you, actually), found an image of the board that they used, overlaid it on a GA-Z170N-Gaming 5 in GIMP, and it all lined up perfectly. And, I had seen on Scythe's EU site that the Kabuto II was discontinued, found one on...

It's worth noting that the GA-Z170N-WIFI and Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming-ITX/ac both use an ASMedia chipset for USB 3.1, whereas the GA-Z170N-Gaming 5 uses an Intel Alpine Ridge chipset (read: Thunderbolt 3-capable if Gigabyte releases the BIOS update for it, and they've released it for other Z170...

(disregard, hadn't refreshed before posting)

You could go the non-modular 140 mm ATX route, opening up the power supply to customize your cabling. Maybe something along these lines, although then you're stuck with M.2 disks, due to the SATA power being modular: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171094 And, there's...

For Skylake, the standard parts are now 65 W, so the base clocks on K-series parts are much higher. For the example of an i7-6700K versus an i7-6700, the 6700K runs at 4.0 to 4.2 GHz at a 91 W TDP. The i7-6700 runs at 3.4 to 4.0 GHz at a 65 W TDP - so, it won't run as high clocks, and it'll...

Well, do remember that the CPU backplate counts as "structural supports" or "stiffening ribs", although that's also an area that's typically open for other reasons. And, rear M.2 also takes up space behind the board.

Interestingly, it's worth noting that the ATX 1.1 spec allowed as little as 2.20" (55.9 mm) of clearance above the board (so, with the 8.1 mm LGA115x socket stackup height, 47.8 mm of cooler), in one configuration (external fan on the power supply, in the early days of ATX power supplies)...

If I were picking a GTX 970 for this case, which I am (because my build is going to use one), I'd pick this one: http://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=N82E16814127835 As far as I can tell, it's the 980/Titan X reference cooler under that shroud, on a 980 reference PCB. If I insisted on...

This build feels odd to me for something like that. If trading needs GPU compute power, then the R9 Nano may well make sense. If it's 2D-only, though, the R9 Nano is massive overkill (I drive a 3840x2400 monitor off of HD Graphics 2000 on my work desktop, and I don't notice performance issues...

And the USB 3.1 specification makes no distinction between Gen 1 and Gen 2 Standard-A, other than specifying stricter requirements for Gen 2 cable assembly signal integrity: http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/usb_31_102015.zip (USB_3_1_r1.0.pdf in that file)