Alienware AW3926QW Glossy 39" 5K2K 165Hz w/ RGB Stripe

ZeqOBpf6 said:
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I tried 330hz mode. I still can't tell the difference above 120. on ufotest I can make out 165 vs 330 at certain speeds, barely, but toggling max fps to 120 or 330 in cs2 I can't tell at all. CS2 in 4k ultrawide though, now that's something.

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You'd have to be feeding it 300fps+, but the ufotest should max it out, yes. Higher fpsHz rates cut the sample-and-hold blur by half every time the fpsHz doubles (and it increases the motion definition.. "dots per dotted line curve shape" motion articulation, animation action states shown, appreciably to at least 500fpsHz). The sample and hold blur reduction by half compared to 165hz should be appreciable when moving your FoV around in a game at speed, where the whole game world is blurring.




Considering DLSS5, path tracing/ray tracing in games' stress on gpus at high resolutions like 4k or higher, 165fpsHz peak is probably fine, even 120fpsHz is for a lot of games. Personally I have no interest in low rez tradeoff for higher than 120 - 165 hz on screens, or screens with lower PQ traded off for one trait (like a curve, or pulsar, or whatever it might be).


Sycraft said:
<....> maybe frame gen depending on the title.
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You might have meant that as in "you might find increased input lag suffered from using framgen more acceptable in single player story based games", not sure. However, taken as "the actual amount of input lag from frame gen may vary depending on the title" also sounds accurate from what I've been seeing and reading. The actual amount of increased input lag hit also varies not just by title, but most critically by what your base frame rate is you are feeding framegen with (the higher the better) and that can also vary, what fps base you are getting, depending on the game title. There are a lot of options, including disabling path tracing if willing to (or are forced to due to your screen's rez), because that is a huge hit on your base frame rate.

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Sycraft said:
There is, but you'd have to use more intense DLSS settings in some games and consider framegen. Something like this, even with high end cards, if very often going to be a "needs DLSS performance" kind of affair.

The higher rez a monitor gets, the harder you'll have to lean in to upscaling. We just can't brute force this shit, we are already pushing GPUs to insane levels, it isn't like we are suddenly going to have ones that can handle super high rez and high FPS native.

So, DLSS performance, possibly even ultra performance, but I'd stick with performance and then maybe frame gen depending on the title.
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It's also possible to run at 4K instead of 5K2K in games where you want higher frame rates. I find that the wider image doesn't add much to the experience with fast-moving games like shooters. My attention is focused in the middle anyway. I don't really notice what's going on at the edges. The 32" 4K experience is fine, and you can get it with this monitor.
 
Azzkiker said:
This monitor is very tempting, but I really enjoy getting 100+ frames and very high quality settings.

Is there any hope to game at 90-100fps on this thing with a lowly 4090 using DLSS? If not, I'd rather have the 34".
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4090 still such a beast. Was messing with things and with 5k2k DLSS performance looked much better than when I ran the AW3423DW 3440x1440 DLAA. Tried to run both as duplicated while gaming however you are limited to the lower in-game resolution (each monitor runs native resolution still). In which case, was pleasantly surprised how the 5k2k rendered 3440x1440 games. There is a hint of softness and distant objects lose clarity but it still works.
 
What the Dell?

I tried to order one. It said it would be delivered the 17th, right up until it didn't ship by the night of the 16th and I got a notice it was delayed until the 25th; but you can still buy one for delivery on the 19th? o_O

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Azzkiker said:
What the Dell?

I tried to order one. It said it would be delivered the 17th, right up until it didn't ship by the night of the 16th and I got a notice it was delayed until the 25th; but you can still buy one for delivery on the 19th? o_O

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For the US your best chance was before they opened up for EU. Not sure if it’s changed but some of them have Dec ship dates
 
Starting to notice a bit of color uniformity trouble on the bottom 1/5 of the screen. There is definitely a hit of a green shift when viewed at an angle, or closer than ~36". Mostly noticeable on predominantly white or grey backgrounds. Not sure how I feel about it, yet. The AW3426DW seemed considerably better in terms of uniformity.
 
I'm not sure if this is placebo, or I'm just starting to notice it more. I updated my Nvidia drivers from a very old/stable version(566.x) to 610.88 yesterday, and today the brightness gradient from center to edge is horrible. I can't see why the graphics driver would affect CPC, my color settings are the same as before.

If I switch back and forth from custom to creator mode, or turn the monitor off an on again it goes away for about 3 minutes.

I will be returning this display if a fix is not released in the next week.

AW3926QW - Creator mode DCI-P3, 60% brightness,
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AW3426DW - Creator mode DCI-P3, 55% brightness.
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MistaSparkul said:
That was a very fast honeymoon period lol.
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Right. At first the clarity and color of the OLED and semi gloss screen were just overwhelmingly beautiful (I was coming from an Acer Predator X35 VA panel).

Of course, the first thing I did was fire up some games and what not. But once I started to use it for productivity and typical desktop use the CPC and resultant uniformity issue started to emerge rather quickly.

It is strange that I didn't notice it as much on day 1 though, because I was checking for it and getting it set up the way I wanted color-wise. It seems like the CPC got progressively more aggressive just in the last day of use. The ambient temp hasn't changed, nor has the duration of daily use. My office is kept at 68F at all times.
 
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I decided to switch my browser and other apps to dark mode to see if I could mitigate the issue. While watching a YT video I noted some weird flicker, especially in the video details section. Either I got a poor unit, or this model has some serious issues in general.
 
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The monitor is now available at Best Buy. I picked it up Sunday. It's a July build. The 60 day return period helped push the decision. So far it looks good. I'm not noticing the issues I've read other users have experienced. This monitor would replace a PG32UQX and an XG27UCDMG.
 
johnny555 said:
The monitor is now available at Best Buy. I picked it up Sunday. It's a July build. The 60 day return period helped push the decision. So far it looks good. I'm not noticing the issues I've read other users have experienced. This monitor would replace a PG32UQX and an XG27UCDMG.
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Good to know. Maybe I ought to grab a second one and compare before making a final decision on this.

Aside from the slight uniformity issue from left to right and the CPC making edges look dim and less brilliant, the panel is otherwise pretty great.

I found something very interesting. The monitor has a built-in self-test mode to check for uniformity issues and dead pixels. It seems like the CPC function is disabled during this self-test mode. Note the difference in edge uniformity:

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Curious that they would build in a means to show what the panel is capable of doing without fancy algorithms, but then nerf it otherwise. This panel almost never looks this uniform during normal use, except for maybe within a minute of turning on for the day.
 
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One thing that bothers me with this monitor more than I thought initially is the reduced size. For example, losing that 1" when compared to a 40" 5K2K monitor is pretty noticeable, not to mention 45" 5K2K.
 
What HDR settings have others settled on? I initially used Custom HDR with contrast set to 100 and saturation set to 60 which I picked up from YouTube reviewer Viktor's Reality.

I've changed to the settings in the following Reddit post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterra...6qw_hdr_modes_anyone_else_landed_on_a_custom/

Using Peak 1300 Bright, contrast in the Nvidia app set to 105, and digital vibrancy set to 55. So far it's looking good.
 
On the desktop I'm using SDR Creator mode sRGB, 60% brightness and 55% contrast with Windows and most apps in dark mode. Any higher brightness or contrast and eye-strain increases quickly.

For HDR gaming, I've found True Black 500 to be my favorite in Witcher 3.

This panel looks great in darker-themed games, but I can't recommend it for productivity and everyday desktop use. I'm trying to get used to using dark mode everywhere I can, and get over the fact that anything broadly white is going look like ass.

I am nervous to play something that has brighter scenes as I'll probably start to notice the CPC issues and get annoyed again. I've been considering picking up the LG 39" to compare, I think I've still got a week or so in my return period.
 
Azzkiker said:
I am nervous to play something that has brighter scenes as I'll probably start to notice the CPC issues and get annoyed again. I've been considering picking up the LG 39" to compare, I think I've still got a week or so in my return period.
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I think LG forces CPC on for all their monitors with no option to disable (check though). ASUS allows you to disable CPC, or at least they do on my WOLED. No idea what long term harm that has, but I decided the tradeoff was worth it because ya, pisses me off.
 
Sycraft said:
I think LG forces CPC on for all their monitors with no option to disable (check though). ASUS allows you to disable CPC, or at least they do on my WOLED. No idea what long term harm that has, but I decided the tradeoff was worth it because ya, pisses me off.
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Good to know. I've read you can temporarily disable it in the control menu on the LG 39", but it comes back on after each power cycle. It seems like if you were responsible and aware you could use dark mode settings for most use cases and mitigate some of the impact of disabling CPC for situations where it was causing noticeable uniformity problems.
 
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Good to know. I've read you can temporarily disable it in the control menu on the LG 39", but it comes back on after each power cycle. It seems like if you were responsible and aware you could use dark mode settings for most use cases and mitigate some of the impact of disabling CPC for situations where it was causing noticeable uniformity problems.
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Near as I can tell CPC has a fairly minor effect on longevity, you are much better off just not running the screen as bright, and having it use a proximity sensor to turn off when you aren't at it. Those help way more than CPC.
 
Sycraft said:
Near as I can tell CPC has a fairly minor effect on longevity, you are much better off just not running the screen as bright, and having it use a proximity sensor to turn off when you aren't at it. Those help way more than CPC.
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Exactly.

Which is why it is so annoying that Dell won't let people who understand this turn it off.
 
Azzkiker said:
Exactly.

Which is why it is so annoying that Dell won't let people who understand this turn it off.
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It is because it helps prolong panel life and many people don't notice it since many LCDs also have the same sort of issue with gradual dimming towards edges. Dell has to service the warranties, so they want to do what they can to extend the life of the panel. Mostly matters for people who have their screens turned up bright on the desktop... but that's a lot of people.

Not saying I agree and for me it isn't something I want, but that's the logic. Brightness + time is what kills OLED. To prolong their life you either use them less, or reduce brightness. Hence most of the anti-burn-in tech is around doing one of those two things. The proximity sensor ASUS offers is the "use less" where if you walk away from the monitor, it goes black. No display = no life reduction so turn it off when not needed. All the various dimming, like CPC, are the second: Make the display as dim as possible as often as possible to extend the life.

Also of note is that damage from brightness scales exponentially so running a panel at 250nits is about 4x as much life reduction as running at 120nits.

There's no solution to this that has yet been found, new panels that have more layers (the 4 layer WOLEDs with R+G+2xB and the 5xB QD-OLEDs) CAN last longer since each layer has to emit less light at a given brightness... but they can be run brighter and if you do then they'll degrade just as fast or faster. That's why you get lots of protection tech, and why in some cases they don't let you disable it. TVs like to do all kinds of global dimming including ASBL where they dim if the average picture level stays the same, even if the actual image isn't static, and usually won't allow it to be disabled outside of a hidden service menu.

It's the real downside of OLEDs at this point.
 
Azzkiker said:
Right. At first the clarity and color of the OLED and semi gloss screen were just overwhelmingly beautiful (I was coming from an Acer Predator X35 VA panel).

Of course, the first thing I did was fire up some games and what not. But once I started to use it for productivity and typical desktop use the CPC and resultant uniformity issue started to emerge rather quickly.

It is strange that I didn't notice it as much on day 1 though, because I was checking for it and getting it set up the way I wanted color-wise. It seems like the CPC got progressively more aggressive just in the last day of use. The ambient temp hasn't changed, nor has the duration of daily use. My office is kept at 68F at all times.
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MUB actually had the same thing happen to him so you are not alone:


View: https://youtu.be/JYnmu6ULg9g?is=b2UmgoNA4Cy_qacj

Edge dimming got worst for him over time. He first wrote it off as a non issue but fast forward today and it's very noticeable to him. Seems like quite the bait and switch if the monitor performs one way at first then changes it's behavior later.
 
For my usage, it's really hard to see so agree about gaming specific. When I do use for non-gaming, don't have any windows/apps taking up full screen so it doesn't present itself. For those who do use it for photo/video editing could see this as a return easily.
 
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