Or "far radical left" or "communist" or whatever is opportune for the Epstein class to call you to make sure you don't sit down with "the other side" and realize the Epstein class was the other side all along.
The corruption in our government is so obvious it's really sad they don't even take the time to hide it. Doesn't matter if you're left or right, black or white, Windows or MacOS user. They have turned to technology and sadly AI to monitor your activity. Just like how age (ID) verification has bipartisan support, so too will this 3D printer ban. You know what else has bipartisan support?
 


I don't like the video. He purposefully keeps it very vague to make it sound like the government is coming for your Etsy or Facebook store. Most of them are concerned about ghost guns and I get it. I think some of the methods they are using to deal with it are suspect but a "war on manufacturing"? That's pure hyperbole.
 
I don't like the video. He purposefully keeps it very vague to make it sound like the government is coming for your Etsy or Facebook store. Most of them are concerned about ghost guns and I get it. I think some of the methods they are using to deal with it are suspect but a "war on manufacturing"? That's pure hyperbole.
War on *personal* manufacturing. But otherwise, I agree. He was very vague for the first few minutes, almost as if he was trying to keep you there longer to get more ad views. I think the point was supposed to be "if you think this is just about blocking 3d printers from making untraceable gun parts, you're wrong, it's the thin end of the wedge for the government to block anything they don't want you to make, on any kind of computerized equipment."
 
War on *personal* manufacturing. But otherwise, I agree. He was very vague for the first few minutes, almost as if he was trying to keep you there longer to get more ad views. I think the point was supposed to be "if you think this is just about blocking 3d printers from making untraceable gun parts, you're wrong, it's the thin end of the wedge for the government to block anything they don't want you to make, on any kind of computerized equipment."

Even a war on personal manufacturing is hyperbole. Most of this stuff is about people making their own guns to get around laws in place in many places. The fact that some of the methods are crappy ways to deal with it can potentially cause problems in other areas but, at this time, is not in the cards that I've seen. I haven't seen anyone pushing to limit people printing drawer handles, hanging hooks, bins, or anything else of the sort. Show me someone trying to stop me from printing anything I've been printing and I'll believe it is a war on personal manufacturing but I doubt anyone can.

Note, I don't agree at all with forcing software to poll a government database before 3D printing an item. That's BS and would severely limit the ability to use any of these tools. It also forces people to have those tools operate with a data connection to the internet which is just seriously idiotic.
 
Even a war on personal manufacturing is hyperbole. Most of this stuff is about people making their own guns to get around laws in place in many places. The fact that some of the methods are crappy ways to deal with it can potentially cause problems in other areas but, at this time, is not in the cards that I've seen.
What does stopping 3D printed guns do?
I haven't seen anyone pushing to limit people printing drawer handles, hanging hooks, bins, or anything else of the sort. Show me someone trying to stop me from printing anything I've been printing and I'll believe it is a war on personal manufacturing but I doubt anyone can.
Honda has been attacking people 3D printing parts..
Note, I don't agree at all with forcing software to poll a government database before 3D printing an item. That's BS and would severely limit the ability to use any of these tools. It also forces people to have those tools operate with a data connection to the internet which is just seriously idiotic.
The problem is that our government is now turning to computers and AI to limit what people can do. Which is so idiotic that I can't even being to imagine what chaos this will cause. Flock cameras, OnStar, ID Verification, and now 3D printing? While depending on AI that sometimes can't make coherent sentences? The only reason people haven't tried to stop this is because it hasn't had a direct effect on them yet.
 
The problem is that our government is now turning to computers and AI to limit what people can do. Which is so idiotic that I can't even being to imagine what chaos this will cause. Flock cameras, OnStar, ID Verification, and now 3D printing? While depending on AI that sometimes can't make coherent sentences? The only reason people haven't tried to stop this is because it hasn't had a direct effect on them yet.
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Their idea of control is an illusion. The stupidity of these people knows no limits. They think computers are totally under Microsoft, Apple's, and even Linux Torvald's control, but that couldn't be further from the truth. That type of control is limited to iOS, and nobody is 3D printing from an iPhone. Before someone corrects me, but yes I know you can 3D print from an iPhone but you wouldn't want to. Every other computer and OS is open for business.

Look at what happened to Flock cameras where people are cutting them down and towns are now rethinking keeping them. People have learned to effectively remove OnStar and have even gone after GM because their insurance companies got a hold of their logs and increased their insurance rates. Even ID Verification is never going to work because of Linux as these laws are now making exceptions to open source for good reasons. Now they think they can limit 3D printers.

We also know why they're doing this because Luigi Mangione used a 3D printed gun to kill a CEO. As if Luigi couldn't buy a regular gun and do the same thing. Regular people die then who cares, but a CEO dies then we need to change some laws. The 3D printer Pandora's box has long been opened and won't ever shut. You know this will be a problem when Bob tries to 3D print a water gun and can't because the AI thinks he's making a regular gun. Or maybe he's trying to make a Nintendo Zapper Gun for he's 1985 NES and the 3D printer denies him. Nothing but idiots in government.

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So now, the only people with decent printers will be the cartels. Organized crime will always be able to get their guns.
 
I've had decent luck for simpler sand casts, but I had a six rotor manifold 3D printed and I am absolutely blown away by the result. I have to do some clean up on it for sure, but it's really solid quality. Way better than sintering was just a couple of years ago.

Casual. Inexpensive. Hobby.
Tell us moar? Maybe start a different thread. 6 rotors? That's basically porn. May have to label it NSFW.
 
What does stopping 3D printed guns do?

Honda has been attacking people 3D printing parts..

The problem is that our government is now turning to computers and AI to limit what people can do. Which is so idiotic that I can't even being to imagine what chaos this will cause. Flock cameras, OnStar, ID Verification, and now 3D printing? While depending on AI that sometimes can't make coherent sentences? The only reason people haven't tried to stop this is because it hasn't had a direct effect on them yet.

Stopping 3D printed guns? Probably bugger all. I don't support their efforts.

As for the Honda thing, I understand why companies would do that. Even if I don't agree with it, if you're reproducing copyright or trademark material or even, by your wording, "hinting" that the Honda part might be genuine (even though we know it isn't) then some companies will try to stop you. I think it is a massive overreaction on Honda's part but I understand why they did it. Given the massive volume of Disney, Marvel, DC, and so forth models on these sites if there really was a "war on personal manufacturing" then these sites would be barren wastelands. Maybe in the future that'll happen? I dunno. Too early to tell. But, yeah, I get why they'd want to protect their business. After all, most of these companies sell parts themselves and if people can just 3D print the exact same part then their business will take a hit, even if it is small. I don't agree with them, but I get why they might take that approach. But, at the same time, most of them haven't.
 
So now, the only people with decent printers will be the cartels. Organized crime will always be able to get their guns.
Our government is asking all criminals to please throw away their old 3D printers and computers. Please upgrade your computer to Windows 11. You can repair a 3D printer indefinitely. It's a huge disconnect from reality.
As for the Honda thing, I understand why companies would do that. Even if I don't agree with it, if you're reproducing copyright or trademark material or even, by your wording, "hinting" that the Honda part might be genuine (even though we know it isn't) then some companies will try to stop you. I think it is a massive overreaction on Honda's part but I understand why they did it. Given the massive volume of Disney, Marvel, DC, and so forth models on these sites if there really was a "war on personal manufacturing" then these sites would be barren wastelands. Maybe in the future that'll happen? I dunno. Too early to tell. But, yeah, I get why they'd want to protect their business. After all, most of these companies sell parts themselves and if people can just 3D print the exact same part then their business will take a hit, even if it is small. I don't agree with them, but I get why they might take that approach. But, at the same time, most of them haven't.
The problem is that they're reproduction, as in someone remade the part. They maybe very similar, but not the original part. This I don't agree with. If your business is depending on people buying over priced plastic then that's a you problem.
 
Our government is asking all criminals to please throw away their old 3D printers and computers. Please upgrade your computer to Windows 11. You can repair a 3D printer indefinitely. It's a huge disconnect from reality.

The problem is that they're reproduction, as in someone remade the part. They maybe very similar, but not the original part. This I don't agree with. If your business is depending on people buying over priced plastic then that's a you problem.

I get it. Totally understand it. I just get why they're doing it. Disagree, but I understand their business case. In some cases they may have had a point but went way overboard and Prusa just folded on the overall list. I've seen some stuff on these sites who really "pump up" the OEM side of things. Some people literally include the OEM part number in the title of their submissions which is just begging the companies to try to stop them. People just need to be clever with their wording and not blatantly thumb their nose at the company who originally designed the part. Also, in the case of that Honda issue only one website actually folded under Honda's pressure. All the models are still available. So the "war on personal manufacturing" seemed to fail miserably in that case.
 
I get it. Totally understand it. I just get why they're doing it. Disagree, but I understand their business case. In some cases they may have had a point but went way overboard and Prusa just folded on the overall list. I've seen some stuff on these sites who really "pump up" the OEM side of things. Some people literally include the OEM part number in the title of their submissions which is just begging the companies to try to stop them. People just need to be clever with their wording and not blatantly thumb their nose at the company who originally designed the part. Also, in the case of that Honda issue only one website actually folded under Honda's pressure. All the models are still available. So the "war on personal manufacturing" seemed to fail miserably in that case.
I've put part numbers on things I've made, but that's to help others find the part. It also helps make the part look more "authentic". I don't think it matters if they do or don't, it's just companies abusing their power. Just look at Nintendo and them removing open source Switch emulators. Emulators are legal, but that isn't stopping Nintendo. The only time reverse engineered car parts can be illegal is when they use logos, but with a large enough army of lawyers then anything can be considered illegal. It's hard to make a 3D printed Honda badge without the Honda logo. I get what Honda is doing too, I just don't like it.

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I've put part numbers on things I've made, but that's to help others find the part. It also helps make the part look more "authentic". I don't think it matters if they do or don't, it's just companies abusing their power. Just look at Nintendo and them removing open source Switch emulators. Emulators are legal, but that isn't stopping Nintendo. The only time reverse engineered car parts can be illegal is when they use logos, but with a large enough army of lawyers then anything can be considered illegal. It's hard to make a 3D printed Honda badge without the Honda logo. I get what Honda is doing too, I just don't like it.

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Yep. I get it. They're using a chainsaw instead of a scalpel. They should be going in and targeting the people who might actually be violating a trademark but instead they take the lazy approach and do a search all for the word Honda and lay the smack down.
 
California passed a 3D printing law. This is funny as I just flashed Marlin to my Ender 3 Pro and my AnyCubic i3 Mega X. So many people tell me to replace the board on my Ender 3 Pro with a RPi because it helps improve print quality. Had a lot of fun tweaking my 3D printers to print my Sega Neptune shell. California doesn't understand technology but that seems to be the case for everyone in government.

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California passed a 3D printing law. This is funny as I just flashed Marlin to my Ender 3 Pro and my AnyCubic i3 Mega X. So many people tell me to replace the board on my Ender 3 Pro with a RPi because it helps improve print quality. Had a lot of fun tweaking my 3D printers to print my Sega Neptune shell. California doesn't understand technology but that seems to be the case for everyone in government.

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I mean, if they wanted to do "something" they could just ban the hosting of files to make the guns or alternatively make it such that if you want to host 3D models for guns then you have to follow the state laws for gun sales. Then they could have their "win" in the public without trying to mess with the printers themselves. Trying to go after the printer software is just ludicrous.
 
I mean, if they wanted to do "something" they could just ban the hosting of files to make the guns or alternatively make it such that if you want to host 3D models for guns then you have to follow the state laws for gun sales. Then they could have their "win" in the public without trying to mess with the printers themselves. Trying to go after the printer software is just ludicrous.
The reason they're doing this is because Luigi Mangione 3D printed a gun and killed one of their fellow bourgeoisie. So of course, them thinking they can turn technology against people have passed laws. Lots of laws. So many laws. The three areas where they can "do something" about this is.
  1. Slicer software
  2. Printer firmware
  3. hosting websites
All of which are equally as stupid. Most 3D printers use a derivative of Marlin which means it's open source which means it can and will be messed with. Even still, some people rip out the boards from their 3D printer and use a RPi. Making this an impossible avenue in prevention. The slicer software itself is also open source and also equally as stupid in prevention. You can try to prevent people from hosting files to make guns but most websites are not going to comply. Not to forget that people could just design their own guns anyway.

This is America and people have guns. They all fought for the right to bear arms and are upset when someone actually beared arms. Maybe America needs free healthcare that prevents these problems instead of AI software that might think my 3D printed car part meant for a Chevy Beretta is a gun. And yes, Chevy did make a car called a Beretta.
 
All of which are equally as stupid. Most 3D printers use a derivative of Marlin which means it's open source which means it can and will be messed with. Even still, some of people rip out the boards from their 3D printer and use a RPi. Making this an impossible avenue in prevention. The slicer software itself is also open source and also equally as stupid in prevention. You can try to prevent people from hosting files to make guns but most websites are not going to comply. Not to forget that people could just design their own guns anyway.
I suspect the major ones will comply (i.e. makerworld, printables, etc). Yes, they'll still be available on other sites but as long as the files vanish off the main sites the politicians generally end up happy that they accomplished something that they can tell the voters.

Yeah, people can just model themselves as well but they always go after the low-hanging fruit, not the guy who's going to do it all himself.
 
I suspect the major ones will comply (i.e. makerworld, printables, etc). Yes, they'll still be available on other sites but as long as the files vanish off the main sites the politicians generally end up happy that they accomplished something that they can tell the voters.

Yeah, people can just model themselves as well but they always go after the low-hanging fruit, not the guy who's going to do it all himself.
Do printables even have gun parts to 3D print? I see toy guns and prop guns but nothing for real guns. What I did find is a website dedicated to hosting files to make guns called defcad. According to this Wired article, the design Luigi used was known as the "ghost gun" and was already freely available. In fact his version was outdated. Also he made it out of purple filament which makes it look more like a child's toy. My guess is that he found it on a forum, which is where I'd imagine people would go to if they wanted a file to print their own gun.

Anyone who's 3D printing a gun isn't doing it for casual reasons. If they want to find the files, then they will find them. Consider how effective they are at stopping piracy. There's always 3D scanners which means you don't even need to the file if you can make your own.

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Do printables even have gun parts to 3D print? I see toy guns and prop guns but nothing for real guns. What I did find is a website dedicated to hosting files to make guns called defcad. According to this Wired article, the design Luigi used was known as the "ghost gun" and was already freely available. In fact his version was outdated. Also he made it out of purple filament which makes it look more like a child's toy. My guess is that he found it on a forum, which is where I'd imagine people would go to if they wanted a file to print their own gun.

Anyone who's 3D printing a gun isn't doing it for casual reasons. If they want to find the files, then they will find them. Consider how effective they are at stopping piracy. There's always 3D scanners which means you don't even need to the file if you can make your own.

Oh I agree. But like all of this stuff, these actions by governments are all for show anyway. They know they can't actually stop it so everything they're doing is to convince the loud constituents that they're "taking action". It is all a big dog and pony show.
 
Oh I agree. But like all of this stuff, these actions by governments are all for show anyway. They know they can't actually stop it so everything they're doing is to convince the loud constituents that they're "taking action". It is all a big dog and pony show.
I see two problems with this. One being laws today may have a greater impact later on in the future. Lots of laws had almost no impact until someone decided to abuse it. The second problem is that nobody can actually fulfill these requests. Maybe if you put an AI to determine what a gun is, but AI isn't never good enough to do this 100%. Also again, lots of tools are open source and therefore can have these parts removed. An example is CachyOS's FireFox Pure which strips out all of the telemetry crap that comes with FireFox. Unless the software is 100% closed source then no law is going to do anything.
 
State of California sues 3D printer filament company Polymaker for promoting ghost guns by marketing to 3D-printed gun community — state alleges company turns harmless PLA filament into a regulated 'firearm precursor part' This is akin to blaming bank CDs for piracy. The lawsuit is somehow even more stupid. Polymaker hired Sean Aranda who used to have a YouTube channel about 3D printing and was banned due to gun related stuff. I imagine he must have shown people how to 3D print guns.

What caught my eye is they're 3D printing guns with PLA? That stuff melts really easy with a bit of heat, so a gun made of this stuff won't last. The filament people use a lot nowadays is PETG because it's cheap, heat resistant, chemical resistant, and with carbon fiber is holds up really well. ASA would be my next choice because it's relatively cheap and it's better at everything compared to PETG. California has once again lost their minds.

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State of California sues 3D printer filament company Polymaker for promoting ghost guns by marketing to 3D-printed gun community — state alleges company turns harmless PLA filament into a regulated 'firearm precursor part' This is akin to blaming bank CDs for piracy. The lawsuit is somehow even more stupid. Polymaker hired Sean Aranda who used to have a YouTube channel about 3D printing and was banned due to gun related stuff. I imagine he must have shown people how to 3D print guns.

What caught my eye is they're 3D printing guns with PLA? That stuff melts really easy with a bit of heat, so a gun made of this stuff won't last. The filament people use a lot nowadays is PETG because it's cheap, heat resistant, chemical resistant, and with carbon fiber is holds up really well. ASA would be my next choice because it's relatively cheap and it's better at everything compared to PETG. California has once again lost their minds.

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PLA seems weird. I doubt anyone is actually printing in PLA. Probably just a filament name they were familiar with so wrote things that way. Most of the people involved probably don't know anything about filament like this. Even PETG isn't great for this sort of thing.

I get why people are nervous about cheap, easy to access plastic guns. It is a bit of a security nightmare so I understand why they'd be nervous. So they want to be seen as doing something so they make up BS laws and sue people for a bit of political theatre but the reality is they're powerless to actually stop this. I mean, Polymaker was stupid to be sponsoring a YouTube channel for ghost guns and then, after he gets kicked off YouTube, they hire the guy? I mean they're just asking for trouble.
 
PLA seems weird. I doubt anyone is actually printing in PLA. Probably just a filament name they were familiar with so wrote things that way. Most of the people involved probably don't know anything about filament like this. Even PETG isn't great for this sort of thing.
PETG would still be a better choice over PLA. Not the ideal choice but it shows how little these lawmakers know about 3D printing.
I get why people are nervous about cheap, easy to access plastic guns. It is a bit of a security nightmare so I understand why they'd be nervous. So they want to be seen as doing something so they make up BS laws and sue people for a bit of political theatre but the reality is they're powerless to actually stop this. I mean, Polymaker was stupid to be sponsoring a YouTube channel for ghost guns and then, after he gets kicked off YouTube, they hire the guy? I mean they're just asking for trouble.
Yea but these BS laws are inherently unenforceable. You're not going to stop someone from 3D printing a gun, let alone going to home depot and making one using plumbing supplies. I also don't get the whole reason to stop this considering how easy it is to acquire a gun in the United States? The reason to be afraid is they'll use AI to determine what is or isn't a gun. That's going to go as well as Flock cameras. But again, open source means this stuff can just be ripped out.

As for hiring a guy off YouTube, I don't see a problem with this. He was banned for showing people how to make guns, but his channel wasn't primarily about making guns. His channel was about 3D printing and he was popular. Makes sense to hire him. What doesn't make sense is for California to be upset over it and then sue Polymaker for hiring someone who may not be hired over 3D printing guns.

Just seems like the genie is out of the bottle and oligarchs are trying to push it back in with laws and limited knowledge of compute.
 
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