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DLSS 5.0

I like it in the Witcher 3:
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Not so long ago, the strange myth that it cannot look better than native (as if it was physically illegal to spend energy to add information to a signal if you have knowledge or that the native image even existed in the equation to be a possible maximum to start with, the target resolution native image never occured to start with) was still alive.

Now it will pivot on the strange it cannot cost less compute to do it (as if making guess cannot be cheaper than actual simulation)
 
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littlegreenmenfromhome said:
Native = doing it wrong but you do you and enjoy your TAA smearfeast/jaggies infected crap.
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DLAA I can understand, but native without DLAA simply looks worst than native + DLSS.

1. Native + no AA = jagged, shimmering mess.
2. Native + FXXA = still a jagged, shimmering mess, just less of it.
3. Native + TAA = someone took vaseline and smeared it all over your screen.
 
MistaSparkul said:
DLAA I can understand, but native without DLAA simply looks worst than native + DLSS.

1. Native + no AA = jagged, shimmering mess.
2. Native + FXXA = still a jagged, shimmering mess, just less of it.
3. Native + TAA = someone took vaseline and smeared it all over your screen.
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Is native with FSR 4 on the equivalent of this? Or do they just not have it yet? MSAA is expensive but looks the best IMO, but I'd like to see deep learn AA that actually looks good at native res.
 
Decko said:
Is native with FSR 4 on the equivalent of this? Or do they just not have it yet? MSAA is expensive but looks the best IMO, but I'd like to see deep learn AA that actually looks good at native res.
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FSR Native AA is the DLAA equivalent yes, below is their DLSS equivalents @ various settings each
 
MistaSparkul said:
DLAA I can understand, but native without DLAA simply looks worst than native + DLSS.

1. Native + no AA = jagged, shimmering mess.
2. Native + FXXA = still a jagged, shimmering mess, just less of it.
3. Native + TAA = someone took vaseline and smeared it all over your screen.
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That's what I found dlaa seems to look best by a good margin in most things and I ues that in any game I can. Maybe it's my set up but any of the other levels look like crap in motion on my oled tv they have some type of shimmering when moving regardless of fps. So I just run 4k dlaa or native if it's and older game.
 
tunatime said:
That's what I found dlaa seems to look best by a good margin in most things and I ues that in any game I can. Maybe it's my set up but any of the other levels look like crap in motion on my oled tv they have some type of shimmering when moving regardless of fps. So I just run 4k dlaa or native if it's and older game.
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You'd need to be aware of any hidden extra sharpening being done, whether it's because the game devs decided to force it on and give you no option to turn it off, or perhaps the DLSS preset you are using is one that has more sharpening and is just not playing nice with the game, that seems to be the biggest cause for DLSS to look worst than it should. An example would be Clair Obscur, I thought DLSS looked like total shit in that game but it was because the devs decided to force an absurd amount of sharpening on. Unfortunately with DLSS it isn't always a case of set and forget so I can see why if you run into certain scenarios where it just looks bad then that might put you off from trying it in other games. From my experience though, minor tweaks if needed have gotten it looking miles better than other "native + AA" solutions except for DLAA which I would then consider it to be a case of "the juice isn't worth the squeeze". Slightly cleaner image in exchange for losing 40% of my fps no thanks.
 
MistaSparkul said:
You'd need to be aware of any hidden extra sharpening being done, whether it's because the game devs decided to force it on and give you no option to turn it off, or perhaps the DLSS preset you are using is one that has more sharpening and is just not playing nice with the game, that seems to be the biggest cause for DLSS to look worst than it should. An example would be Clair Obscur, I thought DLSS looked like total shit in that game but it was because the devs decided to force an absurd amount of sharpening on. Unfortunately with DLSS it isn't always a case of set and forget so I can see why if you run into certain scenarios where it just looks bad then that might put you off from trying it in other games. From my experience though, minor tweaks if needed have gotten it looking miles better than other "native + AA" solutions except for DLAA which I would then consider it to be a case of "the juice isn't worth the squeeze". Slightly cleaner image in exchange for losing 40% of my fps no thanks.
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Could be only really tried it in a few games after getting my 5090. Mainly kcd2 looked better with dlaa and x4 looked really bad with dlss so I've just been sticking with native or dlaa in games as the 5090 on water seems to have enough power to run most games at playable fps with dlaa even in demanding ones. Honestly I feel like cyberpunk is still the most demanding game I have surprisingly. Are they better benchmarking games out yet?
 
tunatime said:
Are they better benchmarking games out yet?
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Have Cyberpunk but never even launched it (lol) so can't say how it compares - but (especially after their graphics updates they both got recently-ish post launch in 2025 each) - Control and Hellblade 2 are pretty demanding with all settings cranked to max

Hellblade update: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2461850/view/528728489311864169?l=english

Control update: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/870780/view/530966340601644728?l=english
 
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I've been checking out a lot of DLSS 5 videos and I noticed the shadowing and shine on hair looks very realistic. It also does the best subsurface scattering I've seen so far which is probably why skin doesn't look so "plastic" anymore.
 
tunatime said:
That's what I found dlaa seems to look best by a good margin in most things and I ues that in any game I can. Maybe it's my set up but any of the other levels look like crap in motion on my oled tv they have some type of shimmering when moving regardless of fps. So I just run 4k dlaa or native if it's and older game.
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I don't think it's on your end. What I've seen of DLAA is that it always looks superior to DLSS but it's not "free". The other options are bad to mediocre and people justify it to themselves, typically insulting anyone who disagrees.
 
erek said:

“NVIDIA DLSS 5 Technical Preview Review - Neural Rendering is Here​

REVIEW GRAPHICS CARDS
NVIDIA DLSS 5 is the first technology that adds to a scene rather than reconstructing it—a generative model running locally that magically improves things. In our DLSS 5 Technical Preview we look at how the model works, what it costs in performance, and how much control developers really have.
Read Review“
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The thing that's going to change graphics forever, adopt or be left in the dust, you're *insert insult* if you don't use it. That's it o_O?

pendragon1 said:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6rwWUHYQLY
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Thanks. Six times FG and upscaling for post processing :ROFLMAO:!?
 
“I figured out what it looks like. It looks like if someone cranked the contrast way to high or a poor colour accurate screen, but asked chatgpt to do it. Zooming really close in, it doesnt necessarily hallucinate, it just makes up what it wants from very little detail. It just looks fake IMO. Others can disagree but I don't like the look. Let's disagree respectfully though, getting tired of waltzing into these, and other, discussions and it turns into WW1 trench fighting and toes being stepped on just for everyone to leave more hacked off and sour at each other without accomplishing anything.”

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/nvidia-dlss-5-technical-preview.352137/post-5781219
 
I'm a bit surprised the official version doesn't seem to use the base resolution of the image, instead its uses the output resolution. Its going to be too demanding. I hope they change that in the future.
 
LittleBuddy said:
I'm a bit surprised the official version doesn't seem to use the base resolution of the image, instead its uses the output resolution. Its going to be too demanding. I hope they change that in the future.
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I feel here the output resolution will determine its compute cost way more than the input image it use (more input the better)

I think what should need to change for performance would be to work and output at the base resolution and do the SS after, but the super high frequency per pixel output it created would get blurried out ?
 

"NVIDIA DLSS 5 Launches in NBA 2K27 September 3rd, DLSS Comes to STAR WARS Zero Company, Onimusha: Way of the Sword & The Blood of Dawnwalker​

Press Release by Nomad76 Today, 16:00 Discuss (2 Comments)
Each week, new games and apps integrating NVIDIA DLSS, NVIDIA Reflex, and advanced ray-traced effects are released or announced, delivering the definitive PC experience for GeForce RTX players. In the last few days, STAR WARS Zero Company and Aliens: Fireteam Elite 2 have launched with DLSS. Crimson Moon launches today, with The Blood of Dawnwalker and Onimusha: Way of the Sword launching this Thursday, along with NBA 2K27, which debuts DLSS 5 with 3D-Guided Neural Rendering.

NC has announced LIKE OR DIE, a new team-based FPS launching next year with DLSS 4.5. New RTX trailers give gamers fresh looks at AION 2, ANANTA, CINDER CITY, CONTROL Resonant, Gears of War: E-Day, SPINE - This Is Gun Fu, and Tides of Annihilation. And Beast of Reincarnation and Breathedge 2 are available now with DLSS."
 
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