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What's inside the Kingston "Dual Portable SSD"?

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https://www.kingston.com/en/ssd/dua...1-70BVikvyP1Wf_I3vlRE_4W5.P67l1YLDbprtLylQN0s

exactly what is the technology inside this stick? It has the size of a flash drive, and this is the definition of flash drive:

https://darwinsdata.com/whats-on-the-inside-of-a-flash-drive/#google_vignette

A flash drive is a drive that has NAND Flash or NOR flash

Now, this is a typical Portable SSD, you can see how big it is:

https://www.integralmemory.com/articles/what-is-portable-ssd/

we have all seen it before.

So w/ that Kingston drive the size of a flash drive, shouldn't it just a 2TB flash drive? why do they call it SSD? And if it were SSD, surely the speed would be a lot faster than their specification of :

  • USB 3.2 Gen 2
  • Up to 1,050MBs/ read, 950MB/s write
But on the other hand, Kingston wouldn't false label their own technology. So what's the deal with this stick? Is it really nothing but flash drive? Or is it really SSD technology?
 
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OMG. It's just fucking marketing, who cares? There's no legal definition of "flash drive" vs. "Portable SSD". It's all just flash attached to a controller attached to a USB interface (two options for this one, hence the "dual" part that confuses you).

Ermagerd, there's a GPU in my phone? Impossible! My 4090 weighs many pounds, must be fuckery!
 
If it gets close to the max usb speed and has large capacity I think its reasonable to call it a ssd.

It would be a fine "hard drive" to live boot linux from.
 
It uses a Silicon Motion SM2322 controller, so it theoretically could have double the speeds they quote. I'm guessing they're only using one nand channel and that's capping the speed.
 
pendragon1 said:
dont remember now, been a while and the search sucks.


all usb sticks are technically ssds, solid state drives.
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Technically yes, but I'm a little torn on calling that Kingston product an ssd. I don't really like the idea of gating ssd vs. flash drive/USB key/USB stick on speed. If we do that in a few years everything will be an ssd. It is pretty fast for a USB stick, but is 10Gb fast enough? It'll beat an SATA ssd but a PCI-e 3.0 SSD will smoke it. I think I'd rather call this thing a flash drive because it's the size and shape of a flash drive. Name it by form factor rather than performance.
 

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAMeZGXab7U

so this person said it's a SSD

I want to understand a few things:

Those SATA 2.5" SSD , back 10+ yr. ago, their speed is 6Gbps, or about 750 MB/s, and those are 2.5" size. This Kingston is at 1050MB/s, so it's not in the category of those 2.5" Sata SSD

The next generation after that is the PCIe 3.0 NVMe SSD drive, and those are around 4.2GB/s, so a lot faster than this Kingston.

So what's this "SSD"? Now their real USB flash drive, the Data Traveler Max, is virtually at the same speed, at 1000MB/s, but that's USB technology.

SO if this is a USB Flash Drive technology, then it would make sense. But Kingston call it SSD?

Now if it were SSD, it should be a lot faster. And if it were NVMe SSD, then we have a cooling problem, and it would be a lot faster than 1050MB/s. So I don't understand what really is inside this stick.
 
MrGuvernment said:
Happy Hopping as pendragon1 pointed out, SSD - Solid State Drive,. a "USB Drive" is a drive with a USB interface...that contain "solid state drives / chips"

Also, 2.5 SATA SSDs topped out around 500MB/s due to the SATA 3 bus speeds.

The claimed speed does not define something as a USB drive or an SSD.
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okay, as we all know, USB flash drive, from the old days of USB 2.0 to current technology of USB 3.2 Gen 2 are NAND flash storage, and so is SSD technology, in fact this is a link from IBM:

https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/flash-vs-ssd-storage

Now, this is the link under Kingston SSD section, for that red color 2TB USB drive I mentioned at the beginning, you can see they specifically call it a SSD drive.

https://www.kingston.com/en/ssd/desktop-laptop-workstations

Now, this is the other link from Kingston, that they call them USB flash drive, you can see they never use the word "SSD"

https://www.kingston.com/en/usb-flash-drives

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so I couldn't help but wonder since the inside of a USB flash drive, as well as the inside of SSD, are both NAND, why doesn't Kingston put that red color 2TB USB drive in the SSD section and call it SSD? they could put all their USB flash drive under SSD drive and call it SSD. It's the same NAND.

I am not here to split hair of the word "SSD" they use, I am concern the reason they purposely called that USB SSD 2TB drive and label it as SSD, is a hint to tell us to read between the lines, that their fancy 2TB drive can get over heat, as it's a SSD drive w/ SSD controller. And there is no heat dissipation technology on that drive.

now this is PNY 2TB USB 3.2 drive, according to PNY, it really is a flash drive, as Pendragon1 said, they never use the word "SSD". And needless to say, PNY has nothing to do w/ Kingston. So for people who is concern about co. using / hinting the word "SSD" on their label, you're right, I should stay away from Kingston's "SSD" and go w/ some other brand. I never use PNY before, so I don't know if they are reliable or not but their USB flash drive is only 2 yr. warranty, Kingston's is 5 yr.. w/ USB storage, I usually go w/ Kingston in the past 20+ yr.

https://www.amazon.com/PNY-External-Compatible-Smartphone-Desktops/dp/B0FC3SFQLH/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3C0DE0153ANTM&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.7yf8-BlePm6x5BwrkNBOED4zyn5tsbCh8m9-iQZAU40scb3mSc77O9bpnIvkrpK6wAZry1xfkQZkT_aom7QHfSKSqxR5qEEXYDetSR4FFCRQgc0gOimPx5N_Ph4t1RsmELdvBnAO6rO_-cT3Jc2KXEs-ptf5eVx0gv-xYLf1WyKFAH2shtHc8_5i0V1oaozTvnoql8_OU0SFPBcRkIap60bh_e6hslNccd_pbVxz4b8.GRJ_6S80-5aQwuiEFkyMjLdnWNMFu0qw56CVcEMjsGE&dib_tag=se&keywords=pny+flash+drive+2tb&qid=1783579322&sprefix=pny+flash+drive+2tb,aps,218&sr=8-3&th=1
 
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For the longest time thumb drives have had inferior speed flash to standard SSDs. Even with microSD the speeds were relatively shit until SD express became popularized in the last couple years. I imagine they're using the SSD naming since it's fast flash and they don't want the same terminology baggage.
 
Happy Hopping said:
okay, as we all know, USB flash drive, from the old days of USB 2.0 to current technology of USB 3.2 Gen 2 are NAND flash storage, and so is SSD technology, in fact this is a link from IBM:

https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/flash-vs-ssd-storage

Now, this is the link under Kingston SSD section, for that red color 2TB USB drive I mentioned at the beginning, you can see they specifically call it a SSD drive.

https://www.kingston.com/en/ssd/desktop-laptop-workstations

Now, this is the other link from Kingston, that they call them USB flash drive, you can see they never use the word "SSD"

https://www.kingston.com/en/usb-flash-drives

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so I couldn't help but wonder since the inside of a USB flash drive, as well as the inside of SSD, are both NAND, why doesn't Kingston put that red color 2TB USB drive in the SSD section and call it SSD? they could put all their USB flash drive under SSD drive and call it SSD. It's the same NAND.

I am not here to split hair of the word "SSD" they use, I am concern the reason they purposely called that USB SSD 2TB drive and label it as SSD, is a hint to tell us to read between the lines, that their fancy 2TB drive can get over heat, as it's a SSD drive w/ SSD controller. And there is no heat dissipation technology on that drive.

now this is PNY 2TB USB 3.2 drive, according to PNY, it really is a flash drive, as Pendragon1 said, they never use the word "SSD". And needless to say, PNY has nothing to do w/ Kingston. So for people who is concern about co. using / hinting the word "SSD" on their label, you're right, I should stay away from Kingston's "SSD" and go w/ some other brand. I never use PNY before, so I don't know if they are reliable or not but their USB flash drive is only 2 yr. warranty, Kingston's is 5 yr.. w/ USB storage, I usually go w/ Kingston in the past 20+ yr.

https://www.amazon.com/PNY-External-Compatible-Smartphone-Desktops/dp/B0FC3SFQLH/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3C0DE0153ANTM&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.7yf8-BlePm6x5BwrkNBOED4zyn5tsbCh8m9-iQZAU40scb3mSc77O9bpnIvkrpK6wAZry1xfkQZkT_aom7QHfSKSqxR5qEEXYDetSR4FFCRQgc0gOimPx5N_Ph4t1RsmELdvBnAO6rO_-cT3Jc2KXEs-ptf5eVx0gv-xYLf1WyKFAH2shtHc8_5i0V1oaozTvnoql8_OU0SFPBcRkIap60bh_e6hslNccd_pbVxz4b8.GRJ_6S80-5aQwuiEFkyMjLdnWNMFu0qw56CVcEMjsGE&dib_tag=se&keywords=pny+flash+drive+2tb&qid=1783579322&sprefix=pny+flash+drive+2tb,aps,218&sr=8-3&th=1
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You are attempting pedantry that is at least 3 levels above your knowledge base. Reread my original reply, then go outside and touch grass.
 
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Okatis said:
For the longest time thumb drives have had inferior speed flash to standard SSDs. Even with microSD the speeds were relatively shit until SD express became popularized in the last couple years. I imagine they're using the SSD naming since it's fast flash and they don't want the same terminology baggage.
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This.

They can all be using NAND, but rated for different performance levels.

People tend to associate "SSD" with higher performance vs "USB Flash drive", but the guts are the same.
 
let me re-phase:

1) if that red color 2 TB stick is indeed "SSD technology" for a lack of better words, i.e., fancy SSD controller, complex logic ASIC, etc., then I need to ask where's the heatsink? As controller can get over heat. All the NVMe that I setup in the past 7 yr. has heatsink, my old PC that c/w 3 x NVMe at PCIe 3.0 has heatsink. My new PC, that also c/w 3 x NVME at PCIE 5.0 has giant heatsink + fans.

2) if that red color 2 TB stick is nothing but USB flash technology, then it's just simple, slower logic ASIC, basic USB flash setup, then there is no need to worry about heat gain, but the label says SSD on it. So the label contradict what some of us think it is
 
SSD is defined as a Solid State Drive.
The Kingston is technically a thumbdrive since it plugs directly into a device, and it has SSD speeds (in my opinion, SSD speed is minimum of 500MB/s).

these are portable SSD's as they don't plug directly into a device.
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I have a couple of these Sandisk thumbdrives that have near SSD speeds,
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I also have Sandisk, it's okay. The above is 380MB/s, so no concern for over heat. The kingston is at 1050MB/s, so for the $ they charge, it's not just the 5 yr. warranty, it's hard to back up that 2TB stick. So if it fails, I file a warranty claim, that's the easy part. But the tough part is losing 2 TB of data. Unless I buy another Kingston to back up the 1st Kingston
 
Happy Hopping said:
I also have Sandisk, it's okay. The above is 380MB/s, so no concern for over heat. The kingston is at 1050MB/s, so for the $ they charge, it's not just the 5 yr. warranty, it's hard to back up that 2TB stick. So if it fails, I file a warranty claim, that's the easy part. But the tough part is losing 2 TB of data. Unless I buy another Kingston to back up the 1st Kingston
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these aren't backup devices; these are used to transport data between systems or locations.
My friend uses his 256GB custom one to carry around his work files in case something happens to his home and work PC when he is out.
 
Happy Hopping said:
I also have Sandisk, it's okay. The above is 380MB/s, so no concern for over heat. The kingston is at 1050MB/s, so for the $ they charge, it's not just the 5 yr. warranty, it's hard to back up that 2TB stick. So if it fails, I file a warranty claim, that's the easy part. But the tough part is losing 2 TB of data. Unless I buy another Kingston to back up the 1st Kingston
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That is why it is a 3-2-1 backup rule at minimum..

You should be backing up important data no matter what medium you use...

And no, not all NVMe/SSDs need heatsinks...
 
my current drive....
"SSD" AND "Dual" 🤯 it does 480/480 sustained and bursts of ~575 on my laptops 3.2 gen2 usbc port....
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and my sandisk. forgot it in the front of a tower, user didnt see it...
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https://www.kingston.com/en/support/technical/products/dtmax

I am currently 2 of the above, the 1 TB version that I bought from Walmart, and another 512GB ver. that is USB-C, can't get it to work on my new PC, and buying a $4 adapter to fix it. My 1 TB is 1/2 full. By the time it's 99% full, I would need to buy either another DataTravler Max 1TB, or the above 2 TB, or SanDisk just informed me they also have a 2 TB ver. and it's lifetime warranty. This pending 2 TB stick goes to my Oppo player, so it has to be USB-A. Hopefully by then, the RAM price war is over and price will come down
 
Happy Hopping said:
https://www.kingston.com/en/support/technical/products/dtmax

I am currently 2 of the above, the 1 TB version that I bought from Walmart, and another 512GB ver. that is USB-C, can't get it to work on my new PC, and buying a $4 adapter to fix it. My 1 TB is 1/2 full. By the time it's 99% full, I would need to buy either another DataTravler Max 1TB, or the above 2 TB, or SanDisk just informed me they also have a 2 TB ver. and it's lifetime warranty. This pending 2 TB stick goes to my Oppo player, so it has to be USB-A. Hopefully by then, the RAM price war is over and price will come down
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Don't be confused on the "life time warranty" and read the fine print.. it is usually the "life time of the product" once they stop making it, your warranty is gone.
 
MrGuvernment said:
Don't be confused on the "life time warranty" and read the fine print.. it is usually the "life time of the product" once they stop making it, your warranty is gone.
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The new lifetime is even worse. Samsung is pulling shit where if you send in a 8TH m.2 with your POP they are refunding your original cost if it was significantly less than the price now. I am sure you can guess why!
 
but what if you didn't buy it directly from samsung? but from amazon, how do they give you the refund?

that sandisk drive, there are a few reviews that is 1 star due to very hot surface, so hot that finger cannot touch. I never have a USB stick that gets hot before
 
Happy Hopping said:
but what if you didn't buy it directly from samsung? but from amazon, how do they give you the refund?

that sandisk drive, there are a few reviews that is 1 star due to very hot surface, so hot that finger cannot touch. I never have a USB stick that gets hot before
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It doesn’t matter where you bought it, they go off the proof of purchase based on what you paid. The actual warranty guarantees a replacement or a refund of the original purchase price, not the price that they can get for it today.
 
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