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AMD’s new pitch: our old tech is so good you should just keep using it

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AMD is committing to AM5 through 2029 and relaunching old chips.​


  1. Today, AMD is promising it will keep supporting its AM5 desktop motherboard socket with new Ryzen processors through 202
  2. it’s relaunching a “10th Anniversary” edition of the Ryzen 7 5800X3D to celebrate the 10th anniversary of that AM4 platform. That’ll be $349 on June 25th.
  3. a $330 Ryzen 7 7700X3D, likely a binned version of the existing 7800X3D. The beefier chip costs $380 to $450, though it can occasionally be found at $320. On paper, the 7700X3D looks only slightly slower:
  4. in the GPU realm, AMD is finally bringing its formerly China-exclusive Radeon RX 9070 GRE to other countries, including the US, starting June 1st for $549.

AMD’s making an interesting pitch at a time that everything, especially gaming, is beginning to feel too expensive. Does it convince you?

https://www.theverge.com/tech/940524/amd-computex-am5-promise-2029-rx9070gre-7700x3d-5800x3d
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but....doesn't AMD kinda have to do this?

AMD doesn't have the foothold in AI like Nvidia does. I imagine (don't have reliable data for this) that PC part sales volume has gone down in the last 9 months given prohibitive pricing. If they aren't selling as much of their new stuff, don't they have to make a move to undercut competition? Today, that looks like re-introducing stuff that doesn't require expensive R&D with some new perks at a markup. I'm not sure they have another sector that brings in enough cash.

Pretty much every system I've built has had an AMD component in it (my current rig has a 5800X and I only just recently replaced my Power Color 6700XT with a 4070), so I'm rooting for this to work in favor of consumers hoping to build their first PC.
 
scottypippin said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but....doesn't AMD kinda have to do this?

AMD doesn't have the foothold in AI like Nvidia does. I imagine (don't have reliable data for this) that PC part sales volume has gone down in the last 9 months given prohibitive pricing. If they aren't selling as much of their new stuff, don't they have to make a move to undercut competition? Today, that looks like re-introducing stuff that doesn't require expensive R&D with some new perks at a markup. I'm not sure they have another sector that brings in enough cash.

Pretty much every system I've built has had an AMD component in it (my current rig has a 5800X and I only just recently replaced my Power Color 6700XT with a 4070), so I'm rooting for this to work in favor of consumers hoping to build their first PC.
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Yeah it doesn't take a genius or a mountain of data to figure out that sales of PC parts to consumers has dropped. many of us want no part of it on principle alone. Couple that with the fact that we seem to get far more out of our systems these days before an upgrade is absolutely required.

I only recently got rid of my 6700XT as well. it was a great card, but I decided to go with a 9070XT. The idea was to be sure I could get through this AI nonsense. I was expecting all video cards to increase in price, didn't really happen as I anticipated but such is life. I don't regret my purchase .
 
THRESHIN said:
I only recently got rid of my 6700XT as well. it was a great card, but I decided to go with a 9070XT. The idea was to be sure I could get through this AI nonsense. I was expecting all video cards to increase in price, didn't really happen as I anticipated but such is life. I don't regret my purchase .
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I did the exact same thing, but substitute a 6700XT for a 3080. It was the "oldest" piece of HW in my rig, and I wanted to get to a point where my system could ride out the inevitable high-pricing storm.

My systems are now solid for years to come; I have no plans to touch any of them or purchase new parts. I'll move on to other hobbies before I pay the current asking prices for HW.
 
could see the scenario of using old stock of binned down but still quite good 8 core zen4 and putting cache on them to add value making a lot of sense, as tsmc 5/zen 4 3d v-cache must be quite mature now and does not mess up zen5 line up as much as a 9700x3d would
 
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AMD launches dual-core Ryzen 3 3100U Zen+ APU with Vega GPU for 2026 laptops - VideoCardz.com​

AMD quietly launches new Zen2/Zen+ APUs: Ryzen 7 4700LE arrives as OEM-only AM4 desktop CPU with no iGPU​

Older Renoir and Picasso designs return in 2026.

AMD has quietly added three processors to its official product pages. The list includes Ryzen 7 4700LE for desktops and two Ryzen 3000U mobile parts, Ryzen 5 3501U and Ryzen 3 3100U.

4700LE: Zen2 CPU​

Ryzen 7 4700LE is listed as an OEM-only desktop processor. Ryzen 7 4700LE is based on Renoir and uses Zen 2 CPU cores. AMD gives it 8 cores and 16 threads, a 3.6 GHz base clock and up to 4.2 GHz boost. The CPU has a 65W default TDP and uses the AM4 socket, but AMD lists no integrated graphics. A discrete graphics card is required.

3000U: Zen+ CPUs​

The two Ryzen 3000U parts are listed under laptop processors, although AMD’s page shows “laptops, desktops” as the form factor. Ryzen 5 3501U has 4 cores and 8 threads, a 2.1 GHz base clock and up to 3.7 GHz boost. Ryzen 3 3100U is a 2-core and 2-thread model with a 1.9 GHz base clock and up to 3.2 GHz boost. That’s a Zen+ CPUs, which were first introduced in 2019.

Source: AMD

Both Picasso parts include Radeon Vega 8 graphics with 8 GPU cores clocked at 1200 MHz. They also share a 15W default TDP, 12W to 35W configurable TDP, FP5 socket and DDR4-2400 memory support. AMD lists both chips with a Q2 2026 launch window.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-lau...-3100u-zen-apu-with-vega-gpu-for-2026-laptops
 
Marees said:

AMD launches dual-core Ryzen 3 3100U Zen+ APU with Vega GPU for 2026 laptops - VideoCardz.com​

AMD quietly launches new Zen2/Zen+ APUs: Ryzen 7 4700LE arrives as OEM-only AM4 desktop CPU with no iGPU​

Older Renoir and Picasso designs return in 2026.

AMD has quietly added three processors to its official product pages. The list includes Ryzen 7 4700LE for desktops and two Ryzen 3000U mobile parts, Ryzen 5 3501U and Ryzen 3 3100U.

4700LE: Zen2 CPU​

Ryzen 7 4700LE is listed as an OEM-only desktop processor. Ryzen 7 4700LE is based on Renoir and uses Zen 2 CPU cores. AMD gives it 8 cores and 16 threads, a 3.6 GHz base clock and up to 4.2 GHz boost. The CPU has a 65W default TDP and uses the AM4 socket, but AMD lists no integrated graphics. A discrete graphics card is required.

3000U: Zen+ CPUs​

The two Ryzen 3000U parts are listed under laptop processors, although AMD’s page shows “laptops, desktops” as the form factor. Ryzen 5 3501U has 4 cores and 8 threads, a 2.1 GHz base clock and up to 3.7 GHz boost. Ryzen 3 3100U is a 2-core and 2-thread model with a 1.9 GHz base clock and up to 3.2 GHz boost. That’s a Zen+ CPUs, which were first introduced in 2019.

Source: AMD

Both Picasso parts include Radeon Vega 8 graphics with 8 GPU cores clocked at 1200 MHz. They also share a 15W default TDP, 12W to 35W configurable TDP, FP5 socket and DDR4-2400 memory support. AMD lists both chips with a Q2 2026 launch window.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-lau...-3100u-zen-apu-with-vega-gpu-for-2026-laptops
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That's depressing, to be honest. Launching a "new" PC product combining a 9 year old GPU architecture with a 7 year old CPU architecture.
 
So now I'm going to ask the same question of AMD that I'm asking of Nvidia. If they're launching new products based on old tech or just relaunching old products does that mean driver updates and support start over from here? 5, 6, 7 more years? Thats going to be territory we've never been in with consumer hardware. Maybe not a bad thing, maybe very good, but interesting.
 
Consumers: AMD never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
AMD: This is an opportunity you won't want to miss!
 
stashinsome said:
now how about bring back the gpus from that era too. Id love to get a RX 7800 XT new for cheaper than what they are used these days...
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That a bit different I think, with the 7800xt you have 200mm of TSMC 5 + 4x36.6mm of TSMC 6 (and the complex packaging chiplet require), 256bits of GDDR6, 265 watt of cooling needed.

9060xt is just 200mm with easier packaging and 128bit of GDDR6, only 160watt to cool, they must be significantly cheaper to make than the 7800xt despite the tsmc 4N node upgrade, new they would cost more than the 9060xt (they seem ~450 usd) which would be more than 7800xt sold on ebay right now (often below $475).

Way more expensive to make and more peformance, they would need to charge more than the 9060xt, 9070 gre despite the 12GB limitation could simply the better choice to go with.

3060 that use Samsung foundry for Nvidia or going back to Vegas on GlobalFoundries for AMD, make more sense on why that it would be interesting than doing still popular TSMC node on a larger amount of silicon like a 7800xt.

Advil said:
Thats going to be territory we've never been in with consumer hardware.
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The GT 710/730 were a bit like that, 2012 gpus relaunched during the peak demand of 2021, they have been out of game ready type drivers of course, but even criticial stuff stopped in 2024. will have to see if a windows 12 launch soon enough with issue for them what would happen.
 
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Advil said:
So now I'm going to ask the same question of AMD that I'm asking of Nvidia. If they're launching new products based on old tech or just relaunching old products does that mean driver updates and support start over from here? 5, 6, 7 more years? Thats going to be territory we've never been in with consumer hardware. Maybe not a bad thing, maybe very good, but interesting.
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I think that the first question is: Support from who, for what?

If we're talking about GPUs, then I guess we're talking about driver support. I don't recall either company ever promising a fixed number of years of support for any particular GPU. Length of support has always been seemingly tied to generational relevance. The DX9 cards were dropped from the driver, then the DX10 cards were dropped from the driver, then the DX11 cards were dropped from the driver, then the non-RTX cards were dropped from the driver, etc. If the cards remain relevant for longer, then I would expect the driver support to last longer also.

For CPUs, it's more of a matter of OS support, and continued Motherboard support only comes with the cooperation of the motherboard companies. Thankfully all AM4 boards that will support the 5800X3D have probably got a BIOS update for that already, and I don't see OS requirements becoming more restrictive any time soon.

And saying that we are in uncharted territory with consumer hardware is a bit of a stretch. I refurbish and load Windows 11 onto 10-15+ year old computers all the time. There is no computing platform that is more friendly toward old hardware than the traditional PC.
 
If they handle it like they did AM4, then I will have nothing but praise. I have computers in the house that started life on Ryzen 1700’s and 1500’s and today, those same motherboards now have Ryzen 5xxxx series CPU’s in them and still going strong. It’s been a fantastic journey. A motherboard from 2017 that can run a 5800X3D which is still competing against current CPU’s. I can’t complain, and it’s unprecedented.
 
stashinsome said:
now how about bring back the gpus from that era too. Id love to get a RX 7800 XT new for cheaper than what they are used these days...
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or 7900XTX it still beats a 9070XT but i hear they're going to be bringing a 9080XT to market sometime soon
LukeTbk said:
9060xt is just 200mm with easier packaging and 128bit of GDDR6
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dude 128bit memory buss is sh*t. i remember back in 2004 i ended up getting a Nvidia 7600gt because they had the listing wrong at tiger direct and it was listed as having 256bit bus. BUT that was the the only thing that differentiated the 7600gt from the 7800gt was 128bit vs 256bit bus and the performance difference was MASSIVE. they already got me once NEVER AGAIN will i buy a card with 128bit bus. trash tier memory bus.
 
making a very expensive 530mm of silicon on fancy packaging with a 384 bits bus, 355 watt cooling/power delivery and the price tag of 24GB of gddr6 at the moment 7900xtx that barely beat a 9070xt do not seem like a great idea, if you put 24GB of vram and the price tag that will come with it, put it on a new worth it RDNA5 gpu.
 
stashinsome said:
yah im okay with that. so strange that the 9000 series only goes up to mid-tier
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well the mid-tier is pretty kick a55 for the price. and originally they were putting more money into developing the next generation, which sounded like they were close to, rather then to spend time putting out some uber expensive card that they knew couldn't compete with 5090 anyway.

plus if you think about it, part of what's melting those cables and connectors is not just from the sh*tty design, it's from them pulling 600w!!! which is really kind of crazy when you think about it. (especially through the sh*tty connector)
 
What is mid about the 9070 XT? Literally the only video card above it is the 5080, which by that logic makes the 5080 the only "high end" card? No. The 5070 Ti, 9070XT and 5080 are all in the "high end" performance zone together. They're all within 20-25% of each other.

This is something I can't break people of, the Nvidia marketing is the only thing hold up this odd "AMD only goes to mid tier." thing. They literally go head to head with Nvidia's entire product stack except for the 5080 at $1250+. Nvidia quietly enforces the idea that a 5080 is high end, and a 5090 is flagship but really the 5080 is being marketed and sold as "flagship" and the 5090 is pure HALO. It's a Titan class card cost no object.

AMD and Nvidia compete throughout the entire mid range and high end. There is no low end anymore except for the 5050 and whatever older gen or used cards are out there which fill that gap.

So, how many here disagree and consider the 5080 the only high end card? I'm curious. It's a matter of perception and I'm wondering where the perception sits overall.
 
Advil said:
What is mid about the 9070 XT? Literally the only video card above it is the 5080, which by that logic makes the 5080 the only "high end" card? No. The 5070 Ti, 9070XT and 5080 are all in the "high end" performance zone together. They're all within 20-25% of each other.
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The RTX 5070 Ti beats it. During release, the RTX 5070 Ti was a bad value, but with the RTX 5080 having gone up in price, the RTX 5070 Ti is actually sitting pretty close to a good deal with 16GB VRAM (the same amount as the RTX 5080).

The RX 9070 XT is a great gaming card, but if you're going to do AI or video editing with AV1, it's worth getting the RTX 5070 Ti or RTX 5080.
 
d3athf1sh said:
well the mid-tier is pretty kick a55 for the price. and originally they were putting more money into developing the next generation, which sounded like they were close to, rather then to spend time putting out some uber expensive card that they knew couldn't compete with 5090 anyway.

plus if you think about it, part of what's melting those cables and connectors is not just from the sh*tty design, it's from them pulling 600w!!! which is really kind of crazy when you think about it. (especially through the sh*tty connector)
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wait the there are stories of the 9070 is melting connectors??
 
d3athf1sh said:
imagine intel doing something consumer friendly... AT ALL :ROFLMAO:
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You'll find that Intel or AMD: whoever is in the bottom position is going to be doing things that are more consumer friendly.

As soon as AMD gained the performance crown, they sat on their throne, whipped out their dick and said "suck it or buy intel". No more copper-core coolers. No more included coolers on every CPU. No more consumer threadripper, No more Ryzen 3, Ryzen 5 stuck at 6 cores and Ryzen 7 stuck at 8 cores forever,
 
Hash_Immutable_1337x said:
taking advantage of people still on DDR4 by pricing the 5800X3D higher ....
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I'm curious what the basis of this claim is?

Important facts:

-The MSRP of the 5800X3D when it was released in 2022 was $449. It's being re-released on June 25th with an MSRP of $349.
-The 5800X3D has been out of production and not available for sale (new) for quite some time. Even if you wanted to spend more, the best you could get for AM4 (for gaming) was a 5700X3D.

Seems to me like they are catering to a genuine demand for a reasonable price.
 
Advil said:
What is mid about the 9070 XT? Literally the only video card above it is the 5080,
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Depends for what, on TPU gaming raster performance benchmark the 5070 ti, 7900xtx, 4080, 4080 super, 5080, 4090 and 5090 are above.

All high end models sold at high end price of course. Raw ranking can give that impression but the performance with the 70ti or 7900xtx or 4080 is almost the same, you do need a 5080 or more (4090) to get a effective step up.
 
GotNoRice said:
I'm curious what the basis of this claim is?

Important facts:

-The MSRP of the 5800X3D when it was released in 2022 was $449. It's being re-released on June 25th with an MSRP of $349.
-The 5800X3D has been out of production and not available for sale (new) for quite some time. Even if you wanted to spend more, the best you could get for AM4 (for gaming) was a 5700X3D.

Seems to me like they are catering to a genuine demand for a reasonable price.
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Microcenter has new 5800X3Ds in stock now, just picked one up. $349.99.

On Ebay, they are still $400+ for used ones.
 
TXE36 said:
Microcenter has new 5800X3Ds in stock now, just picked one up. $349.99.

On Ebay, they are still $400+ for used ones.
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Yeah, launch day was yesterday, with CPUs being sold now for the expected MSRP.

If you're under the impression that you got an amazing deal or something, well, you didn't. It's also on Amazon for MSRP: https://www.amazon.com/AMD-5800X3D-16-Thread-Processor-Technology/dp/B0H41D4KFT

Used 5800X3D CPUs were being sold for inflated prices on places like eBay because the CPU was out of production and wasn't being sold new prior to yesterday. Many eBay auctions are listed for 30 days or more, with listings automatically renewed in many/most cases. The fact that some listings still reflect the previous pricing isn't indicative of anything.
 
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So bundled with "Carbice Ice Pad" ... assuming this is some sort of "PTM7950'like" thermal pad ?
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westrock2000 said:
If they handle it like they did AM4, then I will have nothing but praise. I have computers in the house that started life on Ryzen 1700’s and 1500’s and today, those same motherboards now have Ryzen 5xxxx series CPU’s in them and still going strong. It’s been a fantastic journey. A motherboard from 2017 that can run a 5800X3D which is still competing against current CPU’s. I can’t complain, and it’s unprecedented.
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my main rig is AM5 (bought it all pre insanity pricing), but my file server and 2 HTPCs are all still ryzen 2400s, haven't felt a need to upgrade, and that thing came out like what 7~8 years ago? so ya AM4 is still a good choice, and with the pricing of DDR5, unless you really need AM5, I would stick with AM4 for a new build if I needed to
 
GotNoRice said:
If you're under the impression that you got an amazing deal or something, well, you didn't. It's also on Amazon for MSRP: https://www.amazon.com/AMD-5800X3D-16-Thread-Processor-Technology/dp/B0H41D4KFT
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Who said anything about amazing? I was tired of waiting. I decided back when the rumors were circulating that I'd pay $350 for one if they were available.

Near the tail end of 5800X3D availability last time they were running about $290 (May of 2023).

Wait and the price could go down, or maybe not, who knows with all the AI distortions in the market.
 
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FLECOM said:
my main rig is AM5 (bought it all pre insanity pricing), but my file server and 2 HTPCs are all still ryzen 2400s, haven't felt a need to upgrade, and that thing came out like what 7~8 years ago? so ya AM4 is still a good choice, and with the pricing of DDR5, unless you really need AM5, I would stick with AM4 for a new build if I needed to
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Where I am at, running my 5950x, realized the start of this year, my build was 6 years old, I had built it with a 5 year refresh in mind, then this ram crap came along and I realized, to be honest with myself, this 5950x with my RX6800 is still holding it's own just fine with what I do on it, sure there are times i can see a couple cores peak to 100%, but never more than for a few seconds...
 
i upgraded from a 5800x3d to a 9800x3d on my main rig, I honestly could not really tell the difference

that being said 99% of the time I am reading email, browsing the web, or using SSH or RDP to remote into a server so it's way overkill most of the time... but i was a MC and they had the 9800x3d on sale, and a bunch of open item stuff for a good price (ram/mobo/ssd) like ~1 yr ago so upgraded on a whim...

but todays pricing? ya na I would have happily stuck with my 5800x3d rig
 
FLECOM said:
i upgraded from a 5800x3d to a 9800x3d on my main rig, I honestly could not really tell the difference

that being said 99% of the time I am reading email, browsing the web, or using SSH or RDP to remote into a server so it's way overkill most of the time... but i was a MC and they had the 9800x3d on sale, and a bunch of open item stuff for a good price (ram/mobo/ssd) like ~1 yr ago so upgraded on a whim...

but todays pricing? ya na I would have happily stuck with my 5800x3d rig
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Ya, if the price is right, why not, and now your ahead of the game for a few years....
 
MrGuvernment said:
Where I am at, running my 5950x, realized the start of this year, my build was 6 years old, I had built it with a 5 year refresh in mind, then this ram crap came along and I realized, to be honest with myself, this 5950x with my RX6800 is still holding it's own just fine with what I do on it, sure there are times i can see a couple cores peak to 100%, but never more than for a few seconds...
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Depending on what you do, the 5800X3D could be a nice upgrade for the 5950X machine. The only place I've experienced the 5800X3D falling behind is stuff like video encoding where the core count really matters.

What motivated me was Trainz19 performance*. I have two machines, both on MSI X570 motherboards, same memory, both have SLI'ed EVGA 1080TI FW, both at 4K, the only difference, one machine has a 5800X3D, the other has a 5900X.

In challenging parts of the map where things get CPU limited, the 5800X3D absolutely wipes the floor with the 5900X. The 5900X is running six threads on one CCD and topping out a 4.9Ghz. The 5800X3D is on eight threads loafing about at 4.4GHz. The 5800X3D is smooth, the 5900X is stutter-stutter-stutter. 5800X3D is running about 50W, the 5900X is 70W+. Running the same thing on the 5800X3D and limited to six threads ran the same as eight threads.

The 5800X3D hit those eye watering prices on Ebay because the chips are that good and supply shriveled. Head and shoulders the best on AM4, not lagging that far behind AM5 and they are a good value for a lot of applications. The clock rates for the 5500X3D and 5700X3D are 13% slower than the 5600X3D and 5800X3D and there is no overclocking, so if one is running a 5800X3D with game setting maxed, the 5500 and 5700 may not do the job. To me, the number 2 chip in the AM4 stack is the 5600X3D.

*I've read claims that the 3D cache really helps in open world games where there are lots of objects in a large database. I know from my own benches that this is true in Trainz19. 5800X3D has a good rep with the flight sim folks and it also is reported very good in Fallout 4.

YMMV - I'm just glad I'm not shopping for RAM these days.
 
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