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AMD Hints the Next-Gen Xbox Console Could Launch Next Year

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note: AMD is rumoured to produce one semi custom soc (known as Magnus) for Microsoft. this will act as a series x2 & likely first party by Microsoft with full back compat but could dual boot to steam

amd is also producing a (premium) laptop soc known as medusa premium — that would arrive later. this should be used in PC handhelds, as the z3 extreme. & also likely Steam box like NUCs made by third party board partners. this will defacto be the series S2 (but effectively just a normal PC like steam box)

then there is new cloud infrastructure which would virtualize into multiple series "s2 instances"

so these are the chips that AMD is making for Microsoft

  1. 50xt AT4 (medusa premium) — series s2 = 9060xt (ps5 pro)
  2. 70xt AT2 (magnus) — series x2 = 3x series s2 (3x ps5 pro)
  3. 99xt AT0 (xcloud server chip) = 8x series s2 (8x ps5 pro)
  4. 80xt AT1 (scrapped) — Microsoft has no use for such a chip
  5. 60xt AT3 (Medusa halo) — AI box like DGX Spark = 2x series S2 (2x ps5 pro)
the AT0 above is unlikely to be released as a full fledged gaming card
instead we can expect cut down versions with 6x series s2 (6x ps5 pro) or less performance

for reference ps5 pro = 9060xt
AT4 could reach 9060xt depending on power budget
since AT2 is 3x AT4, it would be somewhere between 5070 ti & (unreleased) 5070 ti super
 
because of the memory & TSMC situation no one knows the launch price including AMD / Microsoft

however we have some clues
  1. Phil Spencer said that a console should not cost above $1000
  2. Amy Hood demands 30% margin
  3. Xbox could delay launch to 2028, even if AMD is ready by 2027, so that memory & storage contracts can be secured cheaply
  4. the equivalent price PS3 launching for $600, would be series X2 launching for $1000+ in 2028
  5. the equivalent of PS3 launching for $550 or less would be series x2 launching for $899 or less
so maybe the series x2 could launch in 2028 for $899 for performance clearly greater than a 5070 ti, with both steam access & full back compat
 
erek said:
While the comment doesn't outright confirm the next Xbox will release next year
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these statements would have been pre-vetted by Microsoft

Lisa Su is a CEO & can't make such statements in a light/loose manner

the non-mention of Sony/PS6 is deliberate
 

EXCLUSIVE: New details on Xbox's next-gen console(s) — and Microsoft's most ambitious gaming plans ever​

News
By Jez Corden published 1 hour ago
From AMD's claims of a 2027 Xbox, to the idea of a plurality of Xbox Gen-10 consoles — lets sift through some fresh details.

I've been reporting for a while that Microsoft's landing strip for the next-gen Xbox is indeed 2027. Although, I'm told Microsoft insiders were a little taken off-guard by Lisa Su's comments on the Gen 10 Xbox's timeline.

Microsoft hasn't fully, internally committed to a hard 2027 launch window for the next-gen Xbox platform, since so much of it hinges on improvements to Windows 11 and other factors. Microsoft's Windows and Xbox teams are collaborating harder than ever to get the OS into shape for a polished, console-like experience on Xbox. And thus, aren't forcing themselves to adhere to a specific hard cut off point. You can think of 2027 as the "best case scenario," but having a polished experience is the north star for Xbox.

https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/xbox/exclusive-the-next-gen-xbox-2027-locked-in-most-ambitious
 
Marees said:

EXCLUSIVE: New details on Xbox's next-gen console(s) — and Microsoft's most ambitious gaming plans ever​

News
By Jez Corden published 1 hour ago
From AMD's claims of a 2027 Xbox, to the idea of a plurality of Xbox Gen-10 consoles — lets sift through some fresh details.

I've been reporting for a while that Microsoft's landing strip for the next-gen Xbox is indeed 2027. Although, I'm told Microsoft insiders were a little taken off-guard by Lisa Su's comments on the Gen 10 Xbox's timeline.

Microsoft hasn't fully, internally committed to a hard 2027 launch window for the next-gen Xbox platform, since so much of it hinges on improvements to Windows 11 and other factors. Microsoft's Windows and Xbox teams are collaborating harder than ever to get the OS into shape for a polished, console-like experience on Xbox. And thus, aren't forcing themselves to adhere to a specific hard cut off point. You can think of 2027 as the "best case scenario," but having a polished experience is the north star for Xbox.

https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/xbox/exclusive-the-next-gen-xbox-2027-locked-in-most-ambitious
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So expect it to pushed back due to memory constraints. 🤙
 
KazeoHin said:
Nvidia will give them a nice ~100 billion to keep going.
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No its was a letter on intent to do a 100 billions infracstructure pact (not in money but in value/gift card, it changed now in actual direct money (investing 20-30B in actual cash the current round bein gthe rumours, making Nvidia own 2-4%).

A group (amazon, microsoft, softbank, amazon, abu dhabi) is currently doing it (around 100 billions) together too at a ~750-850 billions eval.
https://www.alphaspread.com/market-...lks-to-invest-up-to-30-billion-more-in-openai

which make it look less circular financing (even if money is quite fungible)

KazeoHin said:
If Open AI cumbles, the bubble bursts
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Not if it is because of one possible reason they would... amazon-anthropic/google/deepseek and others beat them
 
LukeTbk said:
Not if it is because of one possible reason they would... amazon-anthropic/google/deepseek and others beat them
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Open AI's Chat GPT was the spark that lit the fire, and is ChatGPT STILL the term people use to describe the only useful aspect of AI.

If Open AI goes bankrupt, it will be a signal flare to investors that AI isn't this amazing money-printing magic code for a surefire return.

Sure, other businesses can make better products, make ends meet (they can't without investment, FYI) but a bankrupt "Chat GPT" is the biggest, most obvious, unavoidable signal that AI can fail. Right now everyone and their dog is putting the term "AI" everywhere they can because it makes investors cream their little briefs. Imagine a world where the two letters "AI" together didn't mean an immediate investor response? It would cause a quick, albeit initially harmless dip, which would then trigger a knee-jerk bailing of any investor who is smart enough to cash out before the cliff, then the cliff itself.

Mark my words, Open AI's bankruptcy (if it happens) would be the resounding pop everyone fears.
 
KazeoHin said:
Sure, other businesses can make better products, make ends meet (they can't without investment, FYI)
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amazon, meta, microsoft, google can do a lot just out of cash flow and reserve (they have yet to touch those giant one, but getting clsoe to 100$ cash flow being invested). They are still buying stock back and not diuluting themselve (i.e. does not need any investor help), Amazon spending so much that they needed to cut cost elsewhere.

I really doubt that putting the word AI make investor cream their little briefs in 2026 (look at the massive drop that occured to many SAS company with the latest anthropic lclaude cowork legals pluggin, they all had AI attached to their names has well) or look at microsoft last quarter reaction, they beat all prediction/estimate number wise, got punished because of how heavy they are in OpenAI future spending.

Nvidia is quite cheap relative to its number, because people price in a good amount of risk, there is a lot of fear, even cynism in the investor class and searching for serious winners.

An openAI bankruptcy because Amazon-Google get all their giant AI market share is quite different in term of bubble popping than if they were still over 40%
 
Marees said:
a source "who has never been wrong" tells MLID that the next gen xbox series x2/magnus will be ready to launch Q3 next year

it contains a GPU chiplet which is literally the successor to 9070xt. so next gen 70xt (10070xt?) will also be ready to launch by Q3 next year

(going by precedent, AMD will wait for 3 months after Rubin / 6070 ti & 6070 launch )

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/1101...27-near-same-time-as-next-gen-xbox/index.html


View: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hvuN_4C5fx0
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At this point, unless Windows 11 is included in the NEXT Xbox then nobody is going to care.
 
up to 48 gb of gddr7 (say they go for 32...) at aggressive price and an elder scroll without a PS5/6 release could make a lot of people care (not saying they would do either, but they could)

68 rdna 5 CU, zen 6 cores, how much the DIY alternative to play Elder Scroll at similar performance on a PC will cost in 2027... say it is a bit higher than a 9070xt, with best in class cpu and very generous vram amount (more and more recent core than the 9070xt but less powers) .. or as a great GTA 6 machine if they convince Rockstar to have a nice version for it.

exclusive is a lot of the battle and XboxX/S since they were not for people forced to buy those because no playstation was to be found, they did not had much of anything exciting enough to bring people (should have been Starfield)
 
LukeTbk said:
up to 48 gb of gddr7 (say they go for 32...) at aggressive price and an elder scroll without a PS5/6 release could make a lot of people care (not saying they would do either, but they could)

68 rdna 5 CU, zen 6 cores, how much the DIY alternative to play Elder Scroll at similar performance on a PC will cost in 2027... say it is a bit higher than a 9070xt, with best in class cpu and very generous vram amount (more and more recent core than the 9070xt but less powers) .. or as a great GTA 6 machine if they convince Rockstar to have a nice version for it.

exclusive is a lot of the battle and XboxX/S since they were not for people forced to buy those because no playstation was to be found, they did not had much of anything exciting enough to bring people (should have been Starfield)
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The TES game is a long ways off. A year early + a system seller or two would be good for the Xbox brand, but I am doubting they will have any must have exclusives ready in time.
 
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Microsoft Reportedly Targeting Late 2027 for Next Xbox, Exploring Game Pass Changes​

by Ali Haider February 22, 2026

Microsoft is reportedly shaping its next-generation Xbox strategy around a late 2027 launch window while simultaneously evaluating significant changes to Game Pass. The claims were discussed by Windows Central editor Jez Corden during a recent podcast, where he outlined what he described as Microsoft’s current internal direction for hardware, subscriptions, and Xbox Game Studios.
According to Corden, “The current landing strip is 2027, late 2027, what I’ve heard.”

Corden further claimed that the upcoming device is planned to run full Windows. “The current plan, if it’s not going to change, and I don’t see any reason why it would change, is for the next Xbox to run full Windows.” He elaborated that this would enable broader ecosystem access: “Which means not only Xbox games using the backwards compatible SOC, Magnus, but also full-blown access to Windows, thus Steam, and thus all the PlayStation games, and whatever else you want to put on it. It will just be a PC in essence.” He also suggested potential tariff advantages if categorized as a PC rather than a console.

https://twistedvoxel.com/microsoft-...27-for-next-xbox-exploring-game-pass-changes/
 

With Xbox's 'Project Helix' Revealed, How Likely Is A 2027 Release Date?​

It seems pretty likely to us

Looking back, when Project Scorpio was revealed as the codename for the Xbox One X at E3 2016, the actual console ended up releasing a year and a half later in November 2017. When Project Scarlett was revealed as the codename for the Xbox Series X at E3 2019, the console again released a year and a half later in November of 2020.

If Microsoft follows the same pattern as recent consoles, then Xbox's next-gen "Project Helix" should get a release date that falls inside of November 2027. That's not to say it'll definitely happen, but it sounds like a reasonable estimate.
 
more details on the Helix reveal
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erek said:

“Xbox Project Helix Officially Tipped As Next-Gen Console, Will "Play Your Xbox and PC Games"​

by Cpt.Jank Today, 00:47 Discuss (7 Comments)
There has been a lot of talk about the future of the Xbox gaming brand since it was announced that Phil Spencer would be stepping down as head of Microsoft's gaming business. The new CEO of Xbox, Asha Sharma, has previously defended against a barrage of this skepticism, revealing that she has in mind a "return to Xbox," and with new posts on X by both Xbox and Sharma, she confirmed that part of this return does indeed include a hardware launch. The next-gen Xbox is called Project Helix, and although neither Sharma nor Xbox itself has revealed much more about the next-gen console than the logo and project name, Sharma also hinted that more information may be revealed at GDC, which is slated to take place on March 9-13.

The next-gen Xbox has long been rumored, with recent rumors claiming that it will be a hybrid device, bridging the gap between a living room console and a PC—perhaps in response to the recent rise of devices like the Steam Deck and the pressure of the upcoming Steam Machine—and Sharma more or less hints at this in her post, stating that "Project Helix will lead in performance and play your Xbox and PC games." This isn't the first time Sharma has spoken about the next-gen Xbox hardware platform, having mentioned it in a recent interview as a key part of the brand's future. Speculation about Sharma's leadership of Xbox has also veered into deep skepticism, largely resulting from Sharma's history as CEO of Microsoft's CoreAI platform and her willingness to use AI in the gaming industry, even if she claims that she will not tolerate AI MicroSlop.“
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Marees said:
Microsoft having a rethink
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I'm hoping this means back-to-basics rather than ditching consoles altogether. The notion that gamers would flock to a "premium" console was optimistic before; now, the price hikes would probably make it a $1,000-plus gaming PC that just happens to be in your living room. Just make a system that uses era-appropriate tech at a decent price and with enough appealing games.
 
Aurelius said:
I'm hoping this means back-to-basics rather than ditching consoles altogether. The notion that gamers would flock to a "premium" console was optimistic before; now, the price hikes would probably make it a $1,000-plus gaming PC that just happens to be in your living room. Just make a system that uses era-appropriate tech at a decent price and with enough appealing games.
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do you thin kits actually possible to give a reasonably prices console with component prices today? i dont even think a mid tier box would be cheap anymore.
 
stashinsome said:
do you thin kits actually possible to give a reasonably prices console with component prices today? i dont even think a mid tier box would be cheap anymore.
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Microsoft could take the chip from the next gen handheld and turn into a series S2 that is priced cheaper than steam machine & matches performance of a ps5 pro (after fsr5 & dx13) . price could be around the current price of a series X
 
Marees said:
Microsoft could take the chip from the next gen handheld and turn into a series S2 that is priced cheaper than steam machine & matches performance of a ps5 pro (after fsr5 & dx13) . price could be around the current price of a series X
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honestly Xbox really should go this route. maybe its time to stop chasing core counts. Games have looked great for a decade. I dont really want photo realisitic games to be honest.
 
stashinsome said:
maybe its time to stop chasing core counts.
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consoles core have been stuck to 8 since 2013, the next generation is rumored to have only 3 full sized core with 8 smaller zen6c one.

Console specs, from Switch 2 to the rumoured one for the PS6/Xbox replacement have been quite reasonable i think, so is the upgrade pace that very slow.

Game do look good enough, running at 60-120 instead of often 30-40 would be a nice upgrade for many and the scope of it for a certain type could gain.

And the money it cost, doing GTA 6 on PS5 level of hardware cost a lot more than if you did not needed to work as much to make it work on a more powerful one.
 
LukeTbk said:
consoles core have been stuck to 8 since 2013, the next generation is rumored to have only 3 full sized core with 8 smaller zen6c one.

Console specs, from Switch 2 to the rumoured one for the PS6/Xbox replacement have been quite reasonable i think, so is the upgrade pace that very slow.

Game do look good enough, running at 60-120 instead of often 30-40 would be a nice upgrade for many and the scope of it for a certain type could gain.

And the money it cost, doing GTA 6 on PS5 level of hardware cost a lot more than if you did not needed to work as much to make it work on a more powerful one.
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it was just a figure of speech. you could stick TFLOPS in there. The point I'm making is, maybe we dont need to keep making our gaming rigs more powerful
 
stashinsome said:
do you thin kits actually possible to give a reasonably prices console with component prices today? i dont even think a mid tier box would be cheap anymore.
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We're definitely not going back to $500, but $600-700? Quite possibly. Prices are expected to level off and potentially dip. More than anything, I hope Microsoft doesn't repeat its mistake of splitting the lineup into two and compromising the flagship to accommodate the budget model.
 
Aurelius said:
More than anything, I hope Microsoft doesn't repeat its mistake of splitting the lineup into two and compromising the flagship to accommodate the budget model.
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the original plan must have been
  1. series x2 = helix/magnus — first party running xbox o/s on a hypervisor, backcompat to all console games & can ALSO play PC games
  2. series s2 = third party laptop chip (like a steam machine made by Asus/Lenovo) running windows o/s on xbox mode (like Rog Ally X)
I am thinking the RAMageddon has made them extremely jittery now & surely the plan must be to bring the series S2 inhouse, first party as a proper console, while the series x2 remains a niche offering soleley for bragging rights over the PS6
 
stashinsome said:
it was just a figure of speech. you could stick TFLOPS in there. The point I'm making is, maybe we dont need to keep making our gaming rigs more powerful
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Maybe, i am sure people have a lot of fun with their Switch 2 which is not more powerful than a old PS4 pro after all.

But if we are ps5-xboxX level in 2031, the gap between gaming rigs power and non-gaming rig power (like the latest iPhone) will start to be big and people love game scopes, game impressive visual, people and game dev will shift to those.

That already what will happen no matter what

Ps1->Ps2->PS3->PS4->PS5->PS6 tflops jump has been something like 62,000x, 37x, 8x, 5.5x, (rumoured) 3.5x, in dram boost it is about 16x->16x->16x->2x->will see... but easily be less than 32gb this time around and almost for sure not more.

bandwith and other spec for the harddrive will also be moderate, were the big boost will be raw neural network inference for FSR 5 and others use and raytracing, that will see 10-50x type of boost (specially on the 4bits side), will see what it open the doors year after launch, a bit hard to judge now if it is worth it or not, but it could be quite something on what new things it provide for gamedev and new experience.
 
LukeTbk said:
Maybe, i am sure people have a lot of fun with their Switch 2 which is not more powerful than a old PS4 pro after all.

But if we are ps5-xboxX level in 2031, the gap between gaming rigs power and non-gaming rig power (like the latest iPhone) will start to be big and people love game scopes, game impressive visual, people and game dev will shift to those.

That already what will happen no matter what

Ps1->Ps2->PS3->PS4->PS5->PS6 tflops jump has been something like 62,000x, 37x, 8x, 5.5x, (rumoured) 3.5x, in dram boost it is about 16x->16x->16x->2x->will see... but easily be less than 32gb this time around and almost for sure not more.

bandwith and other spec for the harddrive will also be moderate, were the big boost will be raw neural network inference for FSR 5 and others use and raytracing, that will see 10-50x type of boost (specially on the 4bits side), will see what it open the doors year after launch, a bit hard to judge now if it is worth it or not, but it could be quite something on what new things it provide for gamedev and new experience.
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yeah we are definitely hitting diminishing returns here. There will alwasy be an audience for photo realism, but I do belive that the audience for stylized graphics is juts as large.
 
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