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that tend to be exactly how USA laws on electricity provider work.
Joke as much as you want (or not), but if you can do local solar why wouldn't you? Especially if you can do the work yourself, then even without rebates it will pay itself off (as long as you don't go overboard). It's simply a matter of pay now, or pay later and then pay some more later. (note: I'm not suggesting any cockamamie thing like solar leasing)
Notice that nobody talks about climate change in all this AI data center crap? Wait until all that climate change will require you to crank up the AC just to cool you down. It's going to be more than 18%.
No you're right. I'm being tongue in cheek. Our barn has a clear shot at the southern sky and we already have power running to it. Shouldn't take much more effort to return the power back from the panels. I have thought of it.
Takes no effort, just make sure you get whatever permits you need from the electrical utility. Inverters will tie in to the grid no issue and all the electrical connections are inherently bi-directional. Our rooftop solar ultimately just connects to a breaker pair in our panel like any other. Power then flows in or out the connection to the grid depending on how much is being generated vs used. However you do require a permit and probably some changes to be allowed to hook it up. Had we just plugged it in, we would have gotten in trouble. The utility company here wanted a second meter added for the solar (not all do, many just use one meter they can measure both directions) and a well marked shutoff switch, separate from the breaker, to disconnect the solar in emergencies if needed.
That and cutting down the Rainforests for paper products. Its going to get so Hot on the planet I think we're going to be Burnt Toast. Govt. just needs to shut these things down.
You're definitely not the only one to notice. I'm getting tired boss. Real tired.
Most of the 10 termers will be taking a dirt nap by then.
It seems kinda odd that climate activists who would lay down on roads to stop traffic, haven't been in front of data centers doing the same thing. I would think they'd go even harder on data centers since not only are some of them using more power than some states, but are also doing it for no benefits to humanity. Those data centers are going through mountains of data, and likely some activists beach nudes photos when they were in college. I'm not a climate change denialist but this seems much more worthy of a protest than blocking a road and then driving home in the biggest SUV money can buy.
Good to see they have demands. They should go block roads going to the data center instead.
Greta's new goals are a better use of her time in my opinion.
If data centers ran on solar, wind, or even nuclear while built in the middle of nowhere then we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. Then we'd be talking about what data the data centers have instead of increasing the cost of living while also wondering if they can cook a frog (human) slowly with data centers.
Yep. The issue people, at least most people, have with data centers isn't their existence, it is them being grabby with resources and people being told to suck it up. They aren't very notable buildings overall, and prior to this AI craziness didn't usually cause a lot of issues. They do make some noise on account of their cooling mostly but like any other industrial building, so long as it isn't in your back yard not a big deal.
It amazes me that we lost so much opportunity with this idiocy in data centers. Go ahead and build them, but using renewable energy because we really need to advance the implementation of renewable energy. Instead they said fuck everyone and build it cheap and fast, and put the bill on the tax payer.
Data centers in space is just a PR stunt. These billionaires who can afford to pay for everything but aren't, will pay for a floating data center in space? Like you said, they have gas turbines instead of solar, nuclear, and etc because it's cheaper. Data centers in space is not cheaper.
Because it tend to be illegal to build nuclear anywhere in the US in a reasonable timeline has well (would they hve China regulatory regime and building capacity, they would gladly pay a bit more if it is even actually more for nuclear), Solar and its vast intermission often need great and costly transmission capacity that his being built right now (and would have been needed regardless of datacenter if people want solar in a world without cheap superbe battery, datacenter are just the scapegoat)
They should make them build one extra nuke plant per data centers and give 10% power/water back to the grid to the local towns
Im all for nuclear as it's cheeper power if done right without taking 10 years of red tape....also it's about the only thing that has the power density to run the data centers.....which they are going to build because no way the government give up the tracking AI will give them....so might as well hope it benefits us some way. Right now it's the exotic opposite the one they're building in Louisiana we the people of Louisiana are going to wind up paying for it as they approved a new line item to add to the bill to pay the power company money to build power....
Useful idiots is an Israel propaganda talking point. Just saying.
Data Centers also didn't suck up more power than some states.
Progress of what? We don't even know what data is in the data centers, or even what the end goal is?
The problem is that China is spending far less on AI and we're going back of forth with China on AI. Why sell China Nvidia chips if we want to beat China to AI magic dragon? This back and forth with China and AI is nothing more than AI companies wanting a bailout when the AI market inevitably crashes. Also, blaming everything wrong in the world on Russia+China is also an Israel propaganda talking point.
Nuclear isn't even the best option. It's just 'A' option.
We would have needed more energy anyway for electric vehicles. Get started on solar and wind. The AI data centers can wait. It's not like they're making any serious money anyway. We know solar and wind works because the EU produced more of it than fossil fuels in 2025. We know it can be done. It has been done. Get it done. China is beating USA in renewable energy with them producing 3,399 TWh of renewable electricity annually. USA only produces 894 billion kW. Where's the arms race to beat China in 100% renewable energy?
Kinda stupid to complain about Windmills and view when data centers aren't exactly great to look at. Not to forget the noise from their gas turbines.
We sure did, but then we recently decided to pay roughly a billion dollars to the companies that were building them to not build them.
And those people who whined about electric vehicles and the power grid are saying that building out the network for data centers is not a problem. It is almost as if they are just parrots repeating whatever propaganda is fed to them by their favorite news networks.
Who said there was anything wrong with China developping some AI models and capacity or anything wrong with the US doing it....
And the US produced more solar power than the EU in 2025.... not sure exactly the point at all here ? some system need constant power and battery/transmission capacity would make it hard to run 24/24 hours datacenter on solar alone, and the electricity cost has exploded in the EU to build that super transmission grid capacity that this type of power tend to require (work on some location not the other so until super cheap battery it tend to require to be able to move over great distance), which show that it is a big explanation for it, not the existance or lack of existance of datacenter need. The idea that solar was cheap was always for local use for marginal extra watts, not for actual new use of large scale replacement of gaz turbine, where transmission and battery needed do cost a lot.
China is not for a second interested in 100% renewable energy right now (why ?), there is no renewable race, there is an energy quantity, quality and cost race that include everything they can find including non-renewable like nuclear that should explode in China in the next 15 years, in 2026 they are still building more new non-renewable capacity than the whole US total new capacity. with how much nuclear reserve the world has, renewable should have never been a particular goal or that nice to have, the word should be retired imo.
That one can be a bit of a lagging take, let alone the serious money Google-Meta-Amazon has been doing with their Ai datacenter all along, Anthropic is currently paying 1.25 billion a month for Collosus 1 alone.
I happen to like open boonies without massive data centers.
Yes I know. That's why I linked the wiki on it. Whenever I heard Israel propaganda, it's usually accompanied by the phrase 'useful idiots'. Just to give you sample of what came up on my feed just this morning. It's painfully obvious stuff.
Oh good, then maybe you can repeat it to me?
Nobody said China isn't trying. The problem is if China's arms race threat is a serious threat or not? We pretend it's real, but then Jensen Huang happily sells AI chips to China. Then China just refuses to buy the chips, as they want to make the chips at home. So either I'm missing something here, or USA and China don't really care about who wins in the AI arms race?
Doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't China buy Nvidia chips AND develop their own? Why would selling China nerfed version of Nvidia chips slow them down? Don't you see how contradicting this whole this is?
I don't. I do see Israel as a massive and immediate threat to our democracy. I'm not saying ignore China and Russia, but to put Israel on equal footing as foreign actors working against USA's interests.
Nobody watches mainstream news. This is why mainstream news is pissed at social media, because that's where people get their news from. Only really old people watch CNN and Fox News.
Am I missing something here but why would China not also working on their own chips and use Nvidia's outdated chips while doing so? We might as well give them a 2 generation old copy of ChatGPT while we're at it.
Then don't run it on solar alone. Most homes that have solar don't run on solar alone. When demand exceeds solar production, then homes automatically jump on the grid. The point is that solar would obviously reduce the demand of data centers on the grid, while also pushing for advancement of solar in USA.
EU is still heavily dependent on natural gas for electricity, and with the Ukraine and now Iran war limiting their sources for it, does increase the cost of electricity a lot. Norway's electricity is cheaper than California's because of renewable. Hungary is cheaper because electricity is sold at cost bellow 2,523 kWh. Anything above 2,523 kWh per year is billed at market-reflective rates. Hungary also has the most solar power in Europe, but a lot of their electricity also comes from nuclear. There are EU countries that tax the crap out of electricity to pay for renewables, but they're not the ones we should try to mimic.
Who cares what China is interested in. USA is interested in AI but nobody else is investing anywhere near as much into it, not even China. When the AI is over, then what do we have? Don't say a cure for cancer, because it won't ever do that.
Would rather retire data centers.
They tend to do, the H20 did not sell well there when it was remade possible to be sold and I am not sure if the H100 would, you and others bring that up as a big issues, that I am not sure it is.
giant proportion of the US gdp was on this, in many place citizen of cities with datacenter saw their tax bill plummet, it seem the CCP campaign to make people mad about this is working.
Hydro power tend in some condition being quite cheap, because of the cost of transmission Ireland wind power is not, renewable is not particularly cheap or costly at the moment (in the total cost needed)
why renewable, what wrong with Nuclear ? there is so much known nuclear fuel reserve that the renewable part of electricity generation has really not the importance you seem to put in it.
we already have some cures out of it, today. Would not bet big money that lot of cancer will not be on that list in less than 20 years: https://www.ddw-online.com/exscient...y-drug-to-enter-clinical-trials-10718-202104/