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Bartlett Lake LGA1700 Q3 2025

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xDiVolatilX said:
What memory speeds will it support? Same as Raptor Lake ? Also is this a drop in for lga 1700 desktop?
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The Server part is a bit underwhelming. It's single socket, ECC support added, caps out at 5.7Ghz and supports DDR 4800 as far as I am aware. Let me find the recent article from today...
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/111889/intel-lists-the-xeon-6377p-bartlett-lake-cpu-for-enterprise-use/index.html#:~:text=TL;DR: Intel's Bartlett Lake,deployments with a $1045 price.

It's no Desktop drop in... Not gonna hold my breath waiting for Intel to do a DDR4 supporting desktop launch. However, with AMD re-releasing the 5800X3D there could be some hope especially if the RAMpocolypse continues to drag on. The latter is just pure speculation on my part.
 
xDiVolatilX said:
What memory speeds will it support? Same as Raptor Lake ? Also is this a drop in for lga 1700 desktop?
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Not sure if Intel locked IMC in locked/Xeon CPUs but I would not be surprised it has limits.
Should not matter for DDR4 though and especially if you are trying to get memory on a budget.

One issue I see is that Xeons are usually quite picey when new. They are only super cheap when pulled from out-of-service servers.

Personally I think that most people who think they need 12 P-cores really only need 8 P-cores.
Most productivity software will run better with 8P/16E i9's and games generally don't need/use more than 8 cores anyways.
 
You all might find this very interesting. Still, no word on if or what Intel plans to release or if it's just speculation of the writer of the article however:

"AMD and Intel have geared up for a shift back to DDR4, as well. AMD launched the Ryzen 7 5800X3D 10th Anniversary Edition at Computex, which the company says it will continue to sell as long as it makes sense; in other words, it’s not a limited edition run. AMD has also shifted the hybrid bonding process of the 5800X3D, setting it up for a more long-term production run. It joins AMD’s Zen 3 XT chips, which it released in 2024 and continues to sell."

Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/production-of-ddr4-memory-and-motherboards-is-restarting-amid-unprecedented-memory-shortages-pc-industry-preparing-for-a-world-without-ddr5?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pushly&utm_campaign=All Push Subscribers

What this functionally means, no idea. Aside from some 5800X3D parts coming out that might perform slightly better than their older counterparts. Intel does have a part ready to go, whether or not they capitalize on it remains to be seen.
 
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Raptor Lake is still a very good today. If they made Raptor Lake X3D, I'd bet they'd beat even the 9800X3D/9850X3D CPU's in gaming, or at least come close, while still being more than just a gaming CPU.
 
El_Capitan said:
Raptor Lake is still a very good today. If they made Raptor Lake X3D, I'd bet they'd beat even the 9800X3D/9850X3D CPU's in gaming, or at least come close, while still being more than just a gaming CPU.
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I agree. It would be a nice, relatively safe, test run of their alleged X3D like solution. I have had no issues with performance on my 14th Gen system and even my 12th Gen systems run quite nicely, too.

This is all wishful thinking until they do something about it. Intel hasn't generated much confidence in the "helping the community" department... Now that they have been superseded in performance to some degree by AMD, maybe, just maybe we see some underdog vibes from them and they generate some community good will... But they're the worst of the worst, historically... so...
 
WCCF has an article that says that these Raptor Lake "next" CPU's will not be Bartlet Lake. They will not be all P cores. They are allegedly going to be i7, i5 and i3's with max 8P and 12E cores based off 14th Gen Silicon... Makes you wonder if they will come with 5 year warranties too.

They will bring no new features.

https://wccftech.com/intel-raptor-l...core-5-core-3-up-to-20-cores-lga-1700-socket/

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Legendary Gamer said:
WCCF has an article that says that these Raptor Lake "next" CPU's will not be Bartlet Lake. They will not be all P cores. They are allegedly going to be i7, i5 and i3's with max 8P and 12E cores based off 14th Gen Silicon... Makes you wonder if they will come with 5 year warranties too.

They will bring no new features.

https://wccftech.com/intel-raptor-l...core-5-core-3-up-to-20-cores-lga-1700-socket/

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That's a shame. I don't see anyone with a 14700K or 114900K getting any of these. The C7 8+12 65W would be similar to a 14700T or an undervolted/underclocked 14700K.
 
El_Capitan said:
That's a shame. I don't see anyone with a 14700K or 114900K getting any of these. The C7 8+12 65W would be similar to a 14700T or an undervolted/underclocked 14700K.
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If they're cheap, there are a number of affordable B760 DDR4 boards circulating (I just picked one up for 99 bucks), these could be the last bastion of the affordable PC.

Yeah, otherwise, no one with a higher end CPU will be picking these up.

Lets hope they're almost free and Intel gives em away.
 
Legendary Gamer said:
If they're cheap, there are a number of affordable B760 DDR4 boards circulating (I just picked one up for 99 bucks), these could be the last bastion of the affordable PC.

Yeah, otherwise, no one with a higher end CPU will be picking these up.

Lets hope they're almost free and Intel gives em away.
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Yeah, no, I don't see people with decent Raptor Lake chips picking these up. Best case the Core 7 8P+12E will be clocked like a 14900K/KS. That's best case. I think cheap would be better. Lots of people out there with a bit older DDR4 systems who would like an upgrade but ram prices are making them cringe. Like my dad has an i7-10700 and 2x16GB DDR4-3200. Old socket, old ram standard, nobody wants to put big $ into that. People with decent AM4 boards are probably just going to go for the relaunched 5800X3D as a drop-in replacement if they're gamers, but for people on older Intel or AMD boards that are old enough that they'd want a new board this could be a better option if the price is right. Basically I think it'll sell well if it's cheap enough that people will buy it as a short term upgrade. String that old DDR4 along for a couple more years until prices are hopefully less nuts.

I'm sure we'll see them in new systems as well. I'm not into that idea. I'd rather pay up for DDR5 than buy DDR4. Cheap board, cheap CPU, reuse old ram makes sense. New DDR4, not so much. Yeah new DDR4 is cheaper, but IMHO not enough cheaper to use it in a new build.
 
zandor said:
Yeah, no, I don't see people with decent Raptor Lake chips picking these up. Best case the Core 7 8P+12E will be clocked like a 14900K/KS. That's best case. I think cheap would be better. Lots of people out there with a bit older DDR4 systems who would like an upgrade but ram prices are making them cringe. Like my dad has an i7-10700 and 2x16GB DDR4-3200. Old socket, old ram standard, nobody wants to put big $ into that. People with decent AM4 boards are probably just going to go for the relaunched 5800X3D as a drop-in replacement if they're gamers, but for people on older Intel or AMD boards that are old enough that they'd want a new board this could be a better option if the price is right. Basically I think it'll sell well if it's cheap enough that people will buy it as a short term upgrade. String that old DDR4 along for a couple more years until prices are hopefully less nuts.

I'm sure we'll see them in new systems as well. I'm not into that idea. I'd rather pay up for DDR5 than buy DDR4. Cheap board, cheap CPU, reuse old ram makes sense. New DDR4, not so much. Yeah new DDR4 is cheaper, but IMHO not enough cheaper to use it in a new build.
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Lately, the only way DDR5 is viable for most people is a Microcenter bundle. Otherwise, the cost of entry into a DDR5 platform is obscene. I, personally, did almost everything right. I predicted the storage apocalypse and GPU one rather well and got all that purchased/upgraded before this hit... I just didn't see the RAMpocolypse coming and I should have. Sometimes we take stuff for granted and I figured RAM was just gonna stay affordable. Big mistake.

I would like to say the current trends are unsustainable, however, what we are seeing is the big memory companies completely abandoning the DIY market. We are watching our entire ecosystem of affordable personal computing, die. Not slowly, at a deliberately accelerated pace as memory companies abandon an entire market segment. When the AI bubble bursts, and it will, things are going to get nasty. I really don't see any kind of recovery until after 2028.

We will see what this Intel stuff brings, I would like to be more positive about Intel but it's a hard sell. They just haven't done anything that indicates we should have faith in them. :meh:
 
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