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Windows 11 abandoned native apps. Now it needs them to survive Opinion by Chris Hoffman •

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I think that Microsoft is in an existential crisis right now. A lot of their windows strategies have not worked for them. And here is a sample from this article:

Web Apps Make Your PC Worse​

On a typical Windows 11 desktop, most apps use web technologies, such as the aforementioned Electron and WebView2, and therefore don’t feel much different than a tab in a browser.

Take the Weather app, for example. On Windows 11, the Weather app is basically a web page. Scrolling is laggy, even on my powerful desktop PC, and the interface feels cluttered, complete with a Privacy Choices bar at the bottom of the window. On a Mac, the Weather app is a native app without any ads. Scrolling is smooth, and the interface feels like something you might actually want to use every day. The Windows app used over 700MB of RAM when I last launched it, whereas Apple’s app used about 250MB. That’s nearly three times as much RAM—and an absurd amount for a Weather app.

--and--

Why Microsoft Chose Web Apps (and Why It Backfired)​

Windows was once the app platform. During the Windows 7 era, the Windows Live Essentials package offered the widely loved Windows Movie Maker, along with other native apps like Windows Live Mail.

But Microsoft overcorrected in response to the iPad, and the rest is history. Windows 8 introduced the so-called Metro app platform, which was a failure. With Windows 10, Microsoft introduced the Universal Windows Platform (UWP), so-named because these apps would also run on HoloLens, Windows Phone, and Xbox. With HoloLens and Windows Phone dead, UWP also failed to gain traction.

For developers, Windows became a mess—both a legacy platform Microsoft signaled it was leaving and a new application platform that wasn’t as powerful. Microsoft spent years trying to bring them together. But developers—even internal ones—didn’t focus on building native Windows apps. They focused on web technologies and instead made cross-platform apps.
 
Probably why they announced they are moving away from it and building native apps for many of the basic windows 11 tools a bit ago. Think this opinion is after that announcement even.
 
That's because none of what they're doing is putting the customer first. They're putting Microsoft first ... and they've been doing this for a decade. Microsoft is still complete and utter trash with terrible disaster "recovery" ... sometimes being the CAUSE of that disaster. Mac has had Time Machine for what ... almost 20 years now? Microsoft still doesn't have anything even remotely comparable with Windows "backup" (and in 20 years of doing IT I don't think I remember a case where any iteration of Windows backup restored properly). Windows has been a joke for a long but it seems lately they are trying to speed run into the biggest steaming pile of garbage. I don't know what their vision is, but it's not great.
 
My only hope is Microsoft in their utter inability to learn a lesson, once again over corrects, and delivers “Windows 12” the most overly optimized OS Microsoft has ever released.

Like somebody in the design team one day just yells “Fuck It! Bill was right the whole time”, then downs an 8-ball and manages to get the OS to run inside 640k memory.
 
My only hope is Microsoft in their utter inability to learn a lesson, once again over corrects, and delivers “Windows 12” the most overly optimized OS Microsoft has ever released.

Like somebody in the design team one day just yells “Fuck It! Bill was right the whole time”, then downs an 8-ball and manages to get the OS to run inside 640k memory.
Nobody has ever uttered the words "Bill was right."
 
I miss the native apps for streaming. Native 4K, Atmos, HDR, etc. Now they're all just Edge browser tabs.
 
My only hope is Microsoft in their utter inability to learn a lesson, once again over corrects, and delivers “Windows 12” the most overly optimized OS Microsoft has ever released.

Like somebody in the design team one day just yells “Fuck It! Bill was right the whole time”, then downs an 8-ball and manages to get the OS to run inside 640k memory.
Microsoft is bigger with more worthless design teams. They were putting Copilot into Notepad and Paint. Those design teams will try to do something. They won't get more efficient until they cut headcount and are motivated to compete. Otherwise they will try to appeal to everyone. AI is their focus now, anyway.
 
Microsoft is bigger with more worthless design teams. They were putting Copilot into Notepad and Paint. Those design teams will try to do something. They won't get more efficient until they cut headcount and are motivated to compete. Otherwise they will try to appeal to everyone. AI is their focus now, anyway.
Those teams need something to do. If CoPilot is the corporate mandate they will follow it for their products. The corporate mandate has to change first.
 
Windows 12 having the ability to customize your install based on preferences, have local accounts (on Home Edition) and a good selection of "Windows Live" style apps available, and none of this requiring an Internet access would be great. And "not requiring Internet access" has nothing to do with people without Internet, it has to do with the design philosophy. Designed without Internet in mind is completely different than designed with Internet in mind.
 
Well there is reporting Microsoft is rebasing azure on Fedora.

So maybe windows 12 will be named windows NT 4.0 and be a joint IBM project.
 
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Well there is reporting Microsoft is rebasing azure on Fedora.

Are you sayiing that up to now Azure was based on Windows Server, but they are ditching that in favor of Fedora? Quite a bad look on front of enterprise customers. Just my opinion of course
So maybe windows 12 will be named windows NT 4.0 and be a joint IBM project.
Naw. A joint project with Apple, based on NetBSD. That would enable a version of Windows 12 to run on my iPhone. Windows Phone redux.
 
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Are you sayiing that up to now Azure was based on Windows Server, but they are ditching that in favor of Fedora? Quite a bad look on front of enterprise customers. Just my opinion of course
https://github.com/microsoft/azurelinux
"Azure Linux is an internal Linux distribution for Microsoft’s cloud infrastructure and edge products and services."
Azure is what powers MS these days. MS hasn't used their own server OS in years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azure_Linux
It was released 6 years ago as CBL-Mariner... and has morphed into Azure Linux.

Anyway this is the reporting... MS engineers have been pretty involved with Fedora lately.
https://www.phoronix.com/news/MS-Azure-Linux-Fedora-Based

It is pretty interesting that MS OS level employees are once again working with IBM OS level employees.... sort of. lol
And I change my name suggestion....
Windows 12 Warp
or
Windows OS1/2 Warp
Something like that. lol
 
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Change My Mind: The decline of Windows began when they removed the native Minesweeper app.


The decline of windows has been a long journey with some short reprieves on a overall downward trend.

First they removed reversi. (Win95)
Then they had a short reprieve (Win98se / WinXP)
Then they removed pinball and implemented a strict but klunky security system. (Win Vista)
Next they had a 2nd shorter reprieve. (Win7)
Then they removed minesweeper and start menu. (Win8)
Next they had a flat and slightly downtrending over time release (Win10)
Finally today we have a substantially worse release (Win11)
 
The decline of windows has been a long journey with some short reprieves on a overall downward trend.

First they removed reversi. (Win95)
Then they had a short reprieve (Win98se / WinXP)
Then they removed pinball and implemented a strict but klunky security system. (Win Vista)
Next they had a 2nd shorter reprieve. (Win7)
Then they removed minesweeper and start menu. (Win8)
Next they had a flat and slightly downtrending over time release (Win10)
Finally today we have a substantially worse release (Win11)
You'd think Microsoft cutting the fat by disabling support for 80% of the world's computers (and more recently printers) with their new minimum requirements that Windows 11 would've been more streamlined and optimized, but instead it's the worst version of Windows of all time.
 
Are you sayiing that up to now Azure was based on Windows Server, but they are ditching that in favor of Fedora? Quite a bad look on front of enterprise customers. Just my opinion of course

Naw. A joint project with Apple, based on NetBSD. That would enable a version of Windows 12 to run on my iPhone. Windows Phone redux.

Azure Linux has existed for a while, it's just a very, very minimal custom distro. It is already RPM based. It and Ubuntu are the common defaults in Azure.

Obviously you're not locked into using Windows in Azure, nor does Microsoft enforce it internally. They run millions of cores of compute for their own services on Linux.
 
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