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G-Sync Pulsar monitors worth waiting for? Or should I side grade to current IPS monitor?

jbltecnicspro said:
Where did you get this screenshot? I ended up returning the viewsonic OLED. I think it was a panel issue so I'm back to having the XG-2431 as my motion clarity monitor now.
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TFTC's review of the Asus model. My jaw dropped when I saw the motion clarity performance, really hoping the Acer 5K monitor is glossy as I'm seeing Pulsar as something I must have now lol.
 
jbltecnicspro said:
I think you're being a little too hard. Vinyl diehards are not the same as CRT enthusiasts. I'm a CRT enthusiast who would have gladly ditched all of my CRTs when I had them had OLED with this kind of motion clarity existed. Most of the dudes calibrating their FW900s on the huge FW900 thread are of a similar mindset.
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I dunno, I feel like it is very close. Yes there is the one feature, motion clarity, but that's it. Is that REALLY worth hanging on to it with all the other downsides? Particularly since the motion clarity benefits lessen as framerate goes up, and it can't do high frame rate. I mean I've seen CRTs recently, in a few different settings and yes they are more clear than LCD or OLED, particularly with 60 fps (or lower) content like old schools games... But everything else is so much worse I just can't see wanting to use one. Particularly with how smooth things get at 240Hz (or 480Hz). It is hanging on to one rather minor upside as the reason the technology is better.

Yes it actually is an upside, unlike the vinyl argument where all those are gone now, but it still feels similar "No my old technology is better, this one little facet makes it completely worth it! Why would you want all the other stuff that's better about newer technology? This is the only thing that matters!"
 
Sycraft said:
I dunno, I feel like it is very close. Yes there is the one feature, motion clarity, but that's it. Is that REALLY worth hanging on to it with all the other downsides? Particularly since the motion clarity benefits lessen as framerate goes up, and it can't do high frame rate. I mean I've seen CRTs recently, in a few different settings and yes they are more clear than LCD or OLED, particularly with 60 fps (or lower) content like old schools games... But everything else is so much worse I just can't see wanting to use one. Particularly with how smooth things get at 240Hz (or 480Hz). It is hanging on to one rather minor upside as the reason the technology is better.

Yes it actually is an upside, unlike the vinyl argument where all those are gone now, but it still feels similar "No my old technology is better, this one little facet makes it completely worth it! Why would you want all the other stuff that's better about newer technology? This is the only thing that matters!"
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I've had GDM-FW900 that was calibrated, a calibrated F520 and Artisan. The hype is real. Excellent examples of those monitors still hold their own today. Imagine near OLED contrast while having world-class motion clarity. 2304x1440 looked fantastic on good sets. F520 could mostly resolve 2048x1536. On a 20-inch viewable games at that resolution look razor sharp, while having native 15,000:1 contrast.

That all said, I'm completely fine with my XG-2431. At 85hz the motion clarity is a little better than the FW900. Obviously the contrast sucks ass in comparison but we can't have it all can we. :)

I read that TFT Central review MistaSparkul. Damn that looks amazing. Bring on the OLED's.
 
jbltecnicspro said:
I've had GDM-FW900 that was calibrated, a calibrated F520 and Artisan. The hype is real. Excellent examples of those monitors still hold their own today. Imagine near OLED contrast while having world-class motion clarity. 2304x1440 looked fantastic on good sets. F520 could mostly resolve 2048x1536. On a 20-inch viewable games at that resolution look razor sharp, while having native 15,000:1 contrast.
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I mean, fair I guess I can't tell you what you like and don't like. As Duke Ellington said, "If it sounds good it IS good," and that applies to looks as well and what you value and what I value can differ and neither of us are wrong. It just surprises me that the one feature is so worth it to you given all the tradeoffs. Like I got it back in the day, and when I moved from CRT to LCD I could see why others would choose not to. These days though, particularly next to OLED, I just can't see wanting one at all. There's too many advantages and while no single one is decisive, they all add up to a way better experience.
 
Sycraft said:
I mean, fair I guess I can't tell you what you like and don't like. As Duke Ellington said, "If it sounds good it IS good," and that applies to looks as well and what you value and what I value can differ and neither of us are wrong. It just surprises me that the one feature is so worth it to you given all the tradeoffs. Like I got it back in the day, and when I moved from CRT to LCD I could see why others would choose not to. These days though, particularly next to OLED, I just can't see wanting one at all. There's too many advantages and while no single one is decisive, they all add up to a way better experience.
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I’m a CRT fan with a Pulsar display, the Pulsar still has trade offs next to my OLED. I am now sacrificing Contrast in deep blacks and highlights for real HDR. IPS off angle is bad too, also that glowy vignette effect.

But motion clarity is king for me, when I go back to my OLED I’m struggling to look at it in motion. The blur is irritating/jarring my eyes are trying to look for detail that’s being hidden, maybe some people are just really sensitive to it.

I was gaming for 2 weeks on the Pulsar, went back to oled and it felt like a slap in the face.
 
brownvim said:
I’m a CRT fan with a Pulsar display, the Pulsar still has trade offs next to my OLED. I am now sacrificing Contrast in deep blacks and highlights for real HDR. IPS off angle is bad too, also that glowy vignette effect.

But motion clarity is king for me, when I go back to my OLED I’m struggling to look at it in motion. The blur is irritating/jarring my eyes are trying to look for detail that’s being hidden, maybe some people are just really sensitive to it.

I was gaming for 2 weeks on the Pulsar, went back to oled and it felt like a slap in the face.
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Could you do me a favor? In TFTC's review, he only showed pictures of ULMB 2 at 60Hz, but no photos of 120Hz. How does 120Hz ULMB2 with PW 25 look compared to TFTC's ULMB2 60Hz PW 10?
 
MistaSparkul said:
Could you do me a favor? In TFTC's review, he only showed pictures of ULMB 2 at 60Hz, but no photos of 120Hz. How does 120Hz ULMB2 with PW 25 look compared to TFTC's ULMB2 60Hz PW 10?
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I can have a look tomorrow and let you know, off memory nothing looks better than 60hz PW 10 clarity wise but its really dim.

I rolled back to the previous firmware as there's a ghosting bug between 90-180fps in Pulsar mode, ill update and let you know but I need some sleep first.
 
brownvim said:
I can have a look tomorrow and let you know, off memory nothing looks better than 60hz PW 10 clarity wise but its really dim.

I rolled back to the previous firmware as there's a ghosting bug between 90-180fps in Pulsar mode, ill update and let you know but I need some sleep first.
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Wouldn't 120Hz PW 10 look better than 60Hz PW 10 though? I'm really just wondering if there is any way to get the same image as 60Hz PW 10 by using 120Hz with a higher PW like 25 for better brightness levels as 54 nits is quite dim.
 
MistaSparkul said:
Wouldn't 120Hz PW 10 look better than 60Hz PW 10 though? I'm really just wondering if there is any way to get the same image as 60Hz PW 10 by using 120Hz with a higher PW like 25 for better brightness levels as 54 nits is quite dim.
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So, 120hz doesn't look better than the 60hz mode and what doesn't make sense is the clarity is pretty much the same along the whole PW range in 120hz mode or its very subtle, like its only effecting brightness, maybe broken or stuck tuned like the same as Pulsars 25% duty cycle.

The clarity at 120hz looks around the same as the 60hz mode at PW 60 which is 331 nits.

As you go up in frame rate to 240hz and 360hz the clarity jumps higher and higher but adjusting PW doesn't have anywhere near as much effect as the 60hz mode. Maybe they kept the PW around 25% like the Pulsar modes and didn't tune it different.
 
brownvim said:
So, 120hz doesn't look better than the 60hz mode and what doesn't make sense is the clarity is pretty much the same along the whole PW range in 120hz mode or its very subtle, like its only effecting brightness, maybe broken or stuck tuned like the same as Pulsars 25% duty cycle.

The clarity at 120hz looks around the same as the 60hz mode at PW 60 which is 331 nits.

As you go up in frame rate to 240hz and 360hz the clarity jumps higher and higher but adjusting PW doesn't have anywhere near as much effect as the 60hz mode. Maybe they kept the PW around 25% like the Pulsar modes and didn't tune it different.
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Interesting find, thanks for sharing! Wonder if they'll add the ability to tune the PW in a future firmware update.
 
MistaSparkul said:
Interesting find, thanks for sharing! Wonder if they'll add the ability to tune the PW in a future firmware update.
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Always something. Other than the fact that the XG-2431 needs QFT to make it crosstalk-free, I feel like that is the only monitor right now that "gets it right", when it comes to adjusting backlight strobing.
 
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