Google workers fired amid organization efforts for retaliation

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Google denies that the employees were fired in retaliation for any organizing activity. "We dismissed four individuals who were engaged in intentional and often repeated violations of our longstanding data security policies, including systematically accessing and disseminating other employees’ materials and work," a company spokesperson said in a statement. "No one has been dismissed for raising concerns or debating the company’s activities."

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...anization-efforts-file-retaliation-complaint/
 
Everyone knows tech is anti-Union. Then again, so is all business. Workers rights are at an all time low.
 
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Mega6 said:
Everyone knows tech is anti-Union. Then again, so is all business. Workers rights are at an all time low.
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What rights? You have a right to a safe work place (OSHA), breaks(State laws), and getting paid a legal wage(FLSA) on time. You don't have any rights outside of those three things. I haven't heard any stories stating these things aren't happening. Have you? Or do you mean "rights" perpetuated by goon squads?
 
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What rights? You have a right to a safe work place (OSHA), breaks(State laws), and getting paid a legal wage(FLSA) on time. You don't have any rights outside of those three things. I haven't heard any stories stating these things aren't happening. Have you? Or do you mean "rights" perpetuated by goon squads?
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An American citizen should have priority over other job candidates. This does NOT happen, at least in the IT field. Do you need more details?
 
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An American citizen should have priority over other job candidates. This does NOT happen, at least in the IT field. Do you need more details?
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That is an impossible proposition. As long as some people are more equal then others they'll have a reason to hate them and want to take away what they have. The US can prosper because of outsourcing jobs to low wage countries.They like the cheap labor while they are far away, but as soon as they go to the US "They are taking away US jobs" Hate to break it to you, but they were "taking" (more like being given) the jobs long before they started immigrating to the US. They just want comparable pay for comparable work.
 
alxlwson said:
What rights? You have a right to a safe work place (OSHA), breaks(State laws), and getting paid a legal wage(FLSA) on time. You don't have any rights outside of those three things. I haven't heard any stories stating these things aren't happening. Have you? Or do you mean "rights" perpetuated by goon squads?
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I asked Alexa if she knew who OSHA was and she rambled on and on about how everyone at Amazon is properly trained, no one gets hurt, and everyone gets their breaks.
 
$trapped said:
I asked Alexa if she knew who OSHA was and she rambled on and on about how everyone at Amazon is properly trained, no one gets hurt, and everyone gets their breaks.
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As a former Amazon worker, both as AE Maintenance and a Picker, I found everything to be just fine.
 
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That is an impossible proposition. As long as some people are more equal then others they'll have a reason to hate them and want to take away what they have. The US can prosper because of outsourcing jobs to low wage countries.They like the cheap labor while they are far away, but as soon as they go to the US "They are taking away US jobs" Hate to break it to you, but they were "taking" (more like being given) the jobs long before they started immigrating to the US. They just want comparable pay for comparable work.
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how is it comparable if a company can hire an h1b for 50k a year? See why there’s no American engineering grads? Bust your ass and get undercut by an h1b salary. Mind as well get a business degree like everyone else. Meanwhile mr h1b saves the salary and goes back home to retire like a king. How does that benefit America? What incentive is there to bust your ass getting a technical degree in the USA? There is none. Welcome to the land were we engineer nothing and build nothing. You want fries with that?
 
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Never said it was a right. What’s so wrong with it?
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What's wrong with it is that careers should be a meritocracy. Not a right.

Especially with sectors like tech and the medical field. Ability to do the job and excel at it is more important than someone feeling entitled to a job when it comes to peoples' health, lives, and things like national security, data security, and system uptime.

Otherwise you'll have a lot of fat, lazy, entitled Americans sitting around in cushy jobs doing nothing - which already happens quite a bit.
 
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What's wrong with it is that careers should be a meritocracy. Not a right.

Especially with sectors like tech and the medical field. Ability to do the job and excel at it is more important than someone feeling entitled to a job when it comes to peoples' health, lives, and things like national security, data security, and system uptime.

Otherwise you'll have a lot of fat, lazy, entitled Americans sitting around in cushy jobs doing nothing - which already happens quite a bit.
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An h1b candidate that is hired to work the same job for half price is not based on merit. He can just afford to live in an apartment with his five other h1b buddies. Sorry but that’s not a lifestyle anyone should be competing against but that’s basically what’s happening.

in the steel industry they call it “Dumping”.
 
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What rights? You have a right to a safe work place (OSHA), breaks(State laws), and getting paid a legal wage(FLSA) on time. You don't have any rights outside of those three things. I haven't heard any stories stating these things aren't happening. Have you? Or do you mean "rights" perpetuated by goon squads?
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What kind of nonsense is this?

Most employees in the private sector are covered by the NLRB, which gives employees the right to unionize. https://www.nlrb.gov/rights-we-protect/rights/employee-rights

Employees have a lot more rights than the 3 you listed, or did you forget about the right to a harassment free workplace? https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/harassment.cfm

Here, maybe you should check out this site https://www.dol.gov/. If you're an employee, you might enjoy learning about rights you never knew you had. If you're a manager, you should probably have some remedial training before you land the company on the business end of a federal lawsuit.
 
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An h1b candidate that is hired to work the same job for half price is not based on merit. He can just afford to live in an apartment with his five other h1b buddies. Sorry but that’s not a lifestyle anyone should be competing against but that’s basically what’s happening.
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On the flip side my family owns a small business and if I could hire someone that will do the job right for 1/2 I would in a heartbeat....(problem is you get what you pay for) what people forget is a company owes you very little if you don't like it go somewhere else.
 
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On the flip side my family owns a small business and if I could hire someone that will do the job right for 1/2 I would in a heartbeat....(problem is you get what you pay for) what people forget is a company owes you very little if you don't like it go somewhere else.
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I don’t think a fair wage is too much to ask. H1b destroys the wage scale, so it’s not fair and equitable. H1b minimum wage is held artificial low at $50k.
 
erek said:
Google denies that the employees were fired in retaliation for any organizing activity. "We dismissed four individuals who were engaged in intentional and often repeated violations of our longstanding data security policies, including systematically accessing and disseminating other employees’ materials and work," a company spokesperson said in a statement. "No one has been dismissed for raising concerns or debating the company’s activities."

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...anization-efforts-file-retaliation-complaint/
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Do people actually sue Google? How do you sue a company that knows everything about everyone everywhere?
 
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Do people actually sue Google? How do you sue a company that knows everything about everyone everywhere?
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Suing the shit out of them with good lawyers and being “in the right”. There are enough lawyers around to at least try. The possible payday is too big to pass up on.
 
Mega6 said:
Suing the shit out of them with good lawyers and being “in the right”. There are enough lawyers around to at least try. The possible payday is too big to pass up on.
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Yeah I understand what you mean - though even then, I just wonder how a company with an all-seeing eye, no morals and more cash than most countries gets sued and doesn't then try to blackmail everyone in the courtroom
 
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Yeah I understand what you mean - though even then, I just wonder how a company with an all-seeing eye, no morals and more cash than most countries gets sued and doesn't then try to blackmail everyone in the courtroom
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Reality isn’t like that. Eventually someone tattles. It’s not as easy as you think and not every single person / thing is motivated solely by money and/or power.
 
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I don’t think a fair wage is too much to ask. H1b destroys the wage scale, so it’s not fair and equitable. H1b minimum wage is held artificial low at $50k.
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Live somewhere else? Down here 50k a year has you living very comfortable. No one is forcing people to live in city's/ states where you need to make a 100k a year
 
tunatime said:
Live somewhere else? Down here 50k a year has you living very comfortable. No one is forcing people to live in city's/ states where you need to make a 100k a year
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You’re right. I quit IT. It’s a shit field.
 
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What kind of nonsense is this?

Most employees in the private sector are covered by the NLRB, which gives employees the right to unionize. https://www.nlrb.gov/rights-we-protect/rights/employee-rights

Employees have a lot more rights than the 3 you listed, or did you forget about the right to a harassment free workplace? https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/harassment.cfm

Here, maybe you should check out this site https://www.dol.gov/. If you're an employee, you might enjoy learning about rights you never knew you had. If you're a manager, you should probably have some remedial training before you land the company on the business end of a federal lawsuit.
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I could spend a lot of time typing out every right that we have as employees. At the end of the day though, none of these are in jeapordy and worker rights are protected and not a"an all time low" as stated.

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Never said it was a right. What’s so wrong with it?
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Nothing is wrong with it. You simply stated that worker rights were at an all time low, and then your only specific example was job applicant selection.
 
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