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Yes it saves money if you jump on the deals.
May have to jigger with the power supply - some have locked SATA supplies. Easy to work around though
Possible lack of warranty.
The hard drives are USUALLY slower. Like 5400rpm. Designed as a backup device or just something you can store files you use less often.
I go to thrift stores and take the drives out of older PVR's. Way better business to be made. Some of the drives in their are 2TB.
As far as buying an external enclosure and pulling the drive, you won't save much and the drive will be slow
If you pull the drive from an enclosure (WD My cloud for instance), it will void the warranty. Speaking from experience.
For the the speed of these drives you are better off looking for deals on internal drives. Especially with the cost of SSD's being low.
Remember, if the drive you ripped out of an external enclosure fails or does not perform to the level you would expect from a internal drive, you have effectively voided your warranty and will have no recourse.
You can destroy the enclosure. I've sent in bare drives from WD enclosures for warranty and received one with an enclosure back. No need to put the drive back in the enclosure before you send it in, at least in my experience.Shucking a drive does not void the warranty unless you damage the case (in the US anyway).
$236.65 8TB 5400 RPM internal
$139.99 8TB 5400 RPM external
For all intents and purposes, those are the same drive. You're paying $100 more for an extra year of warranty.
Shucking a drive does not void the warranty unless you damage the case (in the US anyway).
There was no comment notated on whether there was success at putting it back in the case and filing a warranty claim.WD started voiding warranties last year for shucked drives.
https://www.ixsystems.com/community...arranty-on-hdd-removed-from-enclosures.62912/
I'm not so sure about that. I was able to RMA one 6 months after this post. I only sent in a bare drive and no enclosure.WD started voiding warranties last year for shucked drives.
https://www.ixsystems.com/community...arranty-on-hdd-removed-from-enclosures.62912/
I’ve had it go both ways. I shipped in a few defective drives out of the several dozen I have shucked. One was refused, no discussion, no appeal. Just no. It depends on who at the other end is the one doing the RMA and what kind of mood they are in.This is absolutely incorrect. It may come down to how much you want to fight a company that's pulling this crap, but "void if removed/opened" types of warranty limitations are illegal.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...-stickers-sony-microsoft-nintendo-ftc-letters
The easystores are exactly the ones that are easily schuckable.WD - Easystore 10TB External USB 3.0 Hard Drive - Black - $160 at Bestbuy right now
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-eas...-3-0-hard-drive-black/6278208.p?skuId=6278208
Have any of you guys used this drive? I want to pick one up if it's shuckable.
I threw away all of the cases except for 4, sitting in box in storage. It doesn't really matter what case they go back in if I ever need to send any in.
update: 10 hours later and its still maintained an average of around 150 MB/S write speed. Of course, the read speed is what matters to me, but i'm impressed thus far. I know some of the older drives I have couldn't maintain that write or read speed. Also no errors that any of my HDD monitoring systems have caught.Just shucked one this morning and in the process of immediately writing 7TB to it. (Moving over an entire hard drive from an 8TB to the 10TB)
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Self warranty, never trust a single drive for data anyways. Spinning rust is all shit, don't believe their marketing, go check with people who deal with rooms full of them.
When you are building a big storage server for yourself its literally cheaper to have multiple spares on hand then to buy the "normal" drives and wait for a molasses RMA process during which yet another drive might fail.
You can spend half an hour using a dozen plastic picks and shuck the WDs without leaving scratches, obvious marks or broken clips. But after a couple you get tired of that shit and rip them open in 30 seconds. Besides, you only need to keep 1 or 2 undamaged cases to save for returns
Plus send a failed HDD back for an RMA that has masses of data on the platters still. Who knows what they do with them. I bet many are not encrypted. As you say not worth the bother unless you maybe bought the large top line enterprise models.
8 or 10 TB for a 6 GB bare drive price. I like that. If I shucked a WD drive today, would it still be red or some other color?I shucked 8x 8tb wd easystores back in 2017 for my second array, they were still red labels back then. 5400rpm doesn't matter in this case, I get sustained 350MB/sec+ moving data to or from them on my controller. Even that kind of speed only comes in handy when transferring things over the 10gbit fiber between the server and my pc's nvme drive. Price is king here, I agree it's cheaper to just get one or two more of these drives to keep on hand than pay more for an additional year of warranty that most likely won't come into play anyway. I have one extra 8tb I bought back then (made three orders of 3x drives each.)
I don't use BB that much. Much prefer Newegg. So how can I set up an altert with BB that doesn't get me bombarded every single day with offers about stuff I don't care about? Or, is there a regular schedule for BB to put these drives on sale?WD - Easystore 10TB External USB 3.0 Hard Drive - Black - $160 at Bestbuy right now
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-eas...-3-0-hard-drive-black/6278208.p?skuId=6278208
Have any of you guys used this drive? I want to pick one up if it's shuckable.
The days of getting an actual red label inside are long gone, you're pretty much guaranteed to get a white label. The 5400rpm vs 7200rpm makes no appreciable difference for most use cases. If you have data that you think needs to be fast, it should be on an ssd anyway. I like HGST too, they're what my first array is. For a backup these would be a great buy.8 or 10 TB for a 6 GB bare drive price. I like that. If I shucked a WD drive today, would it still be red or some other color?
Since I have like zero experience with WD drives, what is a good or best drive for backup? Up to now, I've been using HGST Deskstars, which spin at 7200, but I'm sure I could live with 5400.
The 5400rpm vs 7200rpm makes no appreciable difference for most use cases
receiving incremental file list
sn_data_006/bacula/DS5_Changer_6_0000
53,687,078,871 100% 7.59MB/s 1:52:28 (xfr#1, to-chk=37/41)
sn_data_006/bacula/DS5_Changer_6_0001
53,687,079,079 100% 7.95MB/s 1:47:23 (xfr#2, to-chk=36/41)
sn_data_006/bacula/DS5_Changer_6_0002
53,687,079,305 100% 8.00MB/s 1:46:42 (xfr#3, to-chk=35/41)
sn_data_006/bacula/DS5_Changer_6_0003
53,687,078,406 100% 8.10MB/s 1:45:22 (xfr#4, to-chk=34/41)
sn_data_006/bacula/DS5_Changer_6_0004
53,687,077,997 100% 8.07MB/s 1:45:43 (xfr#5, to-chk=33/41)
sn_data_006/bacula/DS5_Changer_6_0005
53,687,078,176 100% 7.49MB/s 1:53:58 (xfr#6, to-chk=32/41)
sn_data_006/bacula/DS5_Changer_6_0006
53,687,078,198 100% 7.82MB/s 1:49:08 (xfr#7, to-chk=31/41)
sn_data_006/bacula/DS5_Changer_6_0007
53,687,078,322 100% 7.51MB/s 1:53:35 (xfr#8, to-chk=30/41)
sn_data_006/bacula/DS5_Changer_6_0008
53,687,078,444 100% 7.96MB/s 1:47:15 (xfr#9, to-chk=29/41)
sn_data_006/bacula/DS5_Changer_6_0009
53,687,078,176 100% 7.87MB/s 1:48:25 (xfr#10, to-chk=28/41)
sn_data_006/bacula/DS5_Changer_6_0010
53,687,078,322 100% 7.48MB/s 1:54:01 (xfr#11, to-chk=27/41)
sn_data_006/bacula/DS5_Changer_6_0011
53,687,077,238 100% 7.36MB/s 1:55:54 (xfr#12, to-chk=26/41)
sn_data_006/bacula/DS5_Changer_6_0012
53,687,078,585 100% 7.49MB/s 1:53:54 (xfr#13, to-chk=25/41)
sn_data_006/bacula/DS5_Changer_6_0013
53,687,079,134 100% 7.78MB/s 1:49:41 (xfr#14, to-chk=24/41)
sn_data_006/bacula/DS5_Changer_6_0014
2,867,298,304 5% 6.46MB/s 2:07:56
[IRL@aion radimg]$ df -h .
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdd 196T 27T 160T 15% /aionraid
Too bad it does not a have a Black level drive inside.WD - Easystore 10TB External USB 3.0 Hard Drive - Black - $160 at Bestbuy right now
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-eas...-3-0-hard-drive-black/6278208.p?skuId=6278208
Have any of you guys used this drive? I want to pick one up if it's shuckable.
Could you expand a bit on what it is you do with that work server? With you company policy of a gigabit connection, that doesn't make too much sense since it should take about 2.5 hours per terabyte to transfer, at a day that's like 10TB/day, for a month that's 300TB! If you're moving that much data, the gigabit connection limitation is a bigger hurdle long before the 7200rpm comes into play. Just one of these 5400rpm easystores connected via usb 3.0 exceeds 150MB/sec. Is your data trillions of smaller files that add up to these sizes, if so I could see the minimal impact the 7200rpm would have with regard to seek times. My raid 6 array gets 350MB/sec reads and writes on average, which I can utilize due to the 10gbit fiber I have between my pc and the server, but otherwise it would be uselesss on plain gigabyte. This is likely compounded by multiple people sharing that gigabit connection to the server. I am very curious to hear more!At work I demand 7200 RPM drives in my raid servers. At home I want 5400 and no raid at all + 2 hour inactivity sleep to keep the drives powered down as much as possible. I do us SnapRAID dual parity for that at home. At work we are mostly raidz3 or raidz2 backed up to LTO7 tape and / or offsite backup however the connection is currently only 100 MB/s (company policy) so it takes months to transfer TBs of data.
With you company policy of a gigabit connection
I alrady have an external 4-drive bay, I don't need a bunch of over sized single drive bays cluttering up my living room.As for shucking, I leave the drive in its external enclosure until at least the warranty has expired. It works fine in my home setup as an external.
Too bad it does not a have a Black level drive inside.