Valve's Latest Game, Artifact, Has Lost 60% of Players in Its First Week

jiminator said:
if valve ever makes a HL3 it will probably be filled with some recurring monetization scheme just like all other AAA games being released today. I have no hope at all for anything different.
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Probably, given that more than 50% of their revinue came from less that 100 games they are probably looking for ways to fix that, as most of those games are either going F2P or leaving their platform and they don't see much coming to replace them. Most of their income from this year came from PUBG and CS: GO
 
Well, F2P is not a bad thing for steam as they get a cut of microtransactions. Not sure the percentage. Games like warframe also sell player created skins and such through steam. The epic thingy should be interesting to see what happens. on the positive side I am glad that developers will be getting a bigger slice of the pie. it will however be interesting to see how big the pie acutally is. Things like Ashen, I tend to think it is overpriced, considering you can get Nioh for the same price and vastly more gameplay and refinement. So will be interesting to see if the move works for them.
 
M76 said:
Conjecture! Who would wait a few months to buy HL3? They can hand in their gamer card on their way out the door.
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Waiting to play a game at a much lower price doesn't mean you're not a gamer, it means you're good with money.
 
tetris42 said:
Waiting to play a game at a much lower price doesn't mean you're not a gamer, it means you're good with money.
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If you can wait, then you're not really interested in the game. I don't consider you a gamer if you'd wait months to buy HL3 after release. Unless it is revealed to be dreadful like F76.

If you're a true gamer you can and will pay release price for the games you're interested in. If you're not willing to do that to support the developers who make games that interest you, then sorry, you get no respect from me.
 
Aireoth said:
Valve releases game no one wants, charges to much for it, and loses most of its player base. Duh.

Meanwhile, Half Life or Left for Dead could easily make a fortune. Hell at this point it wouldn't even need to be that revolutionary.
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Exactly, what the hell are they doing?
 
Azphira said:
Games no one wants, steam boxes out of paranoia windows 8 was the end of the gaming world. With decisions like this, let us hope "In the unlikely event of the discontinuation of the Steam network, measures are in place to ensure that all users continue to have have access to their Steam games." does not become "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced."
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Windows was and still is trying to establish a sandbox. If WIndow's Store takes hold, it will. It took a new CEO to change course wrt gaming.
 
I feel like valve is completely missing the point. They make a shitload of money from steam and all they have to do is keep players loyalty and they will keep printing money. They should be making the most generous, no micro transactions, games possible and not even worry about making money from them. They don't need to, steam already does that for them. But doing this they piss off the players and give them a reason to think perhaps I should try out epics store.
 
M76 said:
If you can wait, then you're not really interested in the game. I don't consider you a gamer if you'd wait months to buy HL3 after release. Unless it is revealed to be dreadful like F76.

If you're a true gamer you can and will pay release price for the games you're interested in. If you're not willing to do that to support the developers who make games that interest you, then sorry, you get no respect from me.
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That's bullshit, it doesn't mean I'm not interested in a game, it means that I have to prioritize budgeting MORE than any one game. I can play dozens of games a year and still enjoy the hell out of them, just not brand new ones. There's such a thing as personal financial responsibility, where things like food, rent, utilities etc. take priority over having to play the latest thing out. To say someone who doesn't buy it retail price is not a "true" gamer is basically saying anyone below a certain economic threshold is not a true gamer either. It's a bullshit argument. In your eyes, you're saying it's like this:

Person paying $60 for a new game they're really interested in: True gamer
Person on a budget paying $15 for an older game they're really interested in: Not a gamer

Grow up.
 
M76 said:
If you can wait, then you're not really interested in the game. I don't consider you a gamer if you'd wait months to buy HL3 after release. Unless it is revealed to be dreadful like F76.

If you're a true gamer you can and will pay release price for the games you're interested in. If you're not willing to do that to support the developers who make games that interest you, then sorry, you get no respect from me.
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I too hate poor people and think they should keep their opinions away from video games.
 
Valve HQ: we need to make money lets hire a markets analyst company to tell us what our fans want
MA1: they want HL3
Valve HQ: hmmm lets try again
MA2: they want left4dad 3
Valve HQ: hmmm lets try again again
MA3: they want episode3
Valva HQ: thats weird our fans doesnt want anything. lets trry som cheesy stuff we can make fast and easy....



It just seems like valve is allergetic to the number 3
 
The reality is that I don’t believe Valve is capable of releasing a decent game anymore. They just don’t have the proper talent.
 
sderden said:
Got it free, installed it went through the learning portion. Uninstalled it.
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Make sure you open all the packs then sell the cards on the steam marketplace for steam cash.

The card prices are dropping but some cards can get you upwards of $10 each.
 
Dahkoht said:
MTG Arena did it's model correct. You can earn cards / gold / gems in game , buying packs/gems just speeds things up more , but you can get away with spending very little/nothing and still do the events/tournaments etc.

Artifact might be the most abusive payment model for a card game I've seen.
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Which it stole straight from Hearthstone... In fact almost the entirety of Arena's system and play GUI seems stolen from Hearthstone.

EDIT: and just to be clear I mean how they do the challenges, display the cards, phases and animations, etc.
 
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NoOther said:
Which it stole straight from Hearthstone... In fact almost the entirety of Arena's system and play GUI seems stolen from Hearthstone.

EDIT: and just to be clear I mean how they do the challenges, display the cards, phases and animations, etc.
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Glad they did.

It's a great system for an online card game and I enjoy Magic way more than Hearthstone.
 
M76 said:
If you can wait, then you're not really interested in the game. I don't consider you a gamer if you'd wait months to buy HL3 after release. Unless it is revealed to be dreadful like F76.

If you're a true gamer you can and will pay release price for the games you're interested in. If you're not willing to do that to support the developers who make games that interest you, then sorry, you get no respect from me.
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Found the arrogant rich person.
 
Darunion said:
I too hate poor people and think they should keep their opinions away from video games.
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Yes, all those poor people who can afford a gaming PC, but can't afford to drop $45 for what is potentially the game of the decade?. Yeah, good luck with your virtue signalling for that nonexistent group.
Falkentyne said:
Found the arrogant rich person.
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You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. In reality I make less than the lowest minimal wage in the US.
 
Steam users have no self control they buy the stuff but never play it. This took me about 5 years to figure out since I was one of them.
 
M76 said:
Yes, all those poor people who can afford a gaming PC, but can't afford to drop $45 for what is potentially the game of the decade?. Yeah, good luck with your virtue signalling for that nonexistent group.

You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. In reality I make less than the lowest minimal wage in the US.
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Good thing no one needs your approval to consider themselves a gamer or not. So when you are done on your high horse all by yourself, maybe you can come have a beer with us gamers.
 
half life was really good. it was very different from the games that came out around that time. anyone that has not played it... should.
 
M76 said:
Yes, all those poor people who can afford a gaming PC, but can't afford to drop $45 for what is potentially the game of the decade?. Yeah, good luck with your virtue signalling for that nonexistent group.

You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. In reality I make less than the lowest minimal wage in the US.
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The irony on this just keeps getting thicker. Okay, first off, new AAA games are usually $60 minimum now. Remember, you want to pay FULL PRICE to support the developers right? I'm guessing you draw the line at not getting the collector editions for $200? That would make you more of a "true" gamer, wouldn't it?

Second, a midrange gaming PC lasts a long time if you're smart about it. I imagine you're right, most people with gaming PCs can afford ONE GAME for $60, but how many can they afford in a year at that price? Maybe not many at all. Maybe they're counting on their PC lasting 6 years or more and are making the most of it.

Third, here's the killer. You say you're earning less than minimum wage, yet are insisting to pay full retail price for games; that puts you in the "not good with money" category. At that point, you're earning less than the developers themselves. I can literally buy 6-10 older AAA games (not to mention god knows how many indie games) for the price of ONE new AAA title if I only buy during sales. Check out https://steamdb.info and look up "lowest recorded price" for any game that's been out in a while. It often hits 80-90% off. So, for the same amount of money, I'm playing significantly MORE games than you are, yet you're the one calling me not a true gamer. I'd rather have 10 older games I'm interested in than 1 brand new one. It's really that simple.
 
M76 said:
Yes, all those poor people who can afford a gaming PC, but can't afford to drop $45 for what is potentially the game of the decade?. Yeah, good luck with your virtue signalling for that nonexistent group.

You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. In reality I make less than the lowest minimal wage in the US.
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For reference, I know a lot of people that have gaming PCs but cant afford to buy every game when it comes out. Nor should people feel obligated to pay top dollar for something they could get on discount. A "true" gaming just likes playing games. They don't have to go broke doing it.
 
NoOther said:
For reference, I know a lot of people that have gaming PCs but cant afford to buy every game when it comes out. Nor should people feel obligated to pay top dollar for something they could get on discount. A "true" gaming just likes playing games. They don't have to go broke doing it.
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We're not talking about every game here, are we?

tetris42 said:
The irony on this just keeps getting thicker. Okay, first off, new AAA games are usually $60 minimum now. Remember, you want to pay FULL PRICE to support the developers right? I'm guessing you draw the line at not getting the collector editions for $200? That would make you more of a "true" gamer, wouldn't it?
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So they're so poor that they can't afford any game at full price, but they are too lazy at the same time to seek out alternative sellers that sell the game at a lower price? Yeah it is getting thicker all right. I bought the deluxe edition of every game I purchased as new recently, but I don't demand that from others. Also there is the fact the success of the game is always determined by the initial sales. So even if you don't pay full price, you show much more support by buying the game in the first few weeks after release. If you want the best chance for a sequel or similar games, that's what you have to do.

Instead of going off on this tangent, why don't you just admit that you were wrong, and no [H] gamer would pass on HL3? It would be so much easier for you as well :p


Second, a midrange gaming PC lasts a long time if you're smart about it. I imagine you're right, most people with gaming PCs can afford ONE GAME for $60, but how many can they afford in a year at that price? Maybe not many at all. Maybe they're counting on their PC lasting 6 years or more and are making the most of it.
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No mid range PC will play AAA games for 6 years. Of course I don't want people that are so poor to not have a PC that can play the game to buy them at release date. I specifically said that the gamer who has a gaming pc but can't afford to buy a single game at full price, doesn't exist. Remember I only said that if you don't buy HL3 at release then hand in your gamer card. I didn't mention any other game.

Third, here's the killer. You say you're earning less than minimum wage, yet are insisting to pay full retail price for games; that puts you in the "not good with money" category. At that point, you're earning less than the developers themselves. I can literally buy 6-10 older AAA games (not to mention god knows how many indie games) for the price of ONE new AAA title if I only buy during sales. Check out https://steamdb.info and look up "lowest recorded price" for any game that's been out in a while. It often hits 80-90% off. So, for the same amount of money, I'm playing significantly MORE games than you are, yet you're the one calling me not a true gamer. I'd rather have 10 older games I'm interested in than 1 brand new one. It's really that simple.
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The killer is that I'm better with money than most US citizens, therefore I can afford to buy games at release, even deluxe editions of games. And I have a gaming PC that can actually play them. Don't you see that you're actually defeating your own argument here? If I can afford to buy games at full price, everyone who can hold down a job in the US should be able to afford them as well, if they were good with money. Of course I'm being unfair, because some aspects of living are actually cheaper here, but prices are catching up faster with US prices than wages. And in some areas they were never lower to begin with. Like for example a gaming PC (and for that matter all consumer electronics) costs at least 30% more here in the EU than in the US. Not to mention Petrol or Gas or whatever you call it.
 
M76 said:
We're not talking about every game here, are we?
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Every game they play no? You said that they aren't a true gamer if they aren't buying the game when it first comes out. That means they would be paying full price for every game they played. Being true gamers, they love to play a variety of games. If they had to pay full price for every game they played, they would go broke.

That reasoning is just poor. There is nothing at all wrong for someone who wants to play a lot of games (because they are a "true" gamer) to wait for deals on the games they want to play.
 
M76 said:
If you can wait, then you're not really interested in the game. I don't consider you a gamer if you'd wait months to buy HL3 after release. Unless it is revealed to be dreadful like F76.

If you're a true gamer you can and will pay release price for the games you're interested in. If you're not willing to do that to support the developers who make games that interest you, then sorry, you get no respect from me.
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How much will it cost me to never be labeled a gamer? I’d pay 60 dollars for that.
 
M76 said:
We're not talking about every game here, are we?


So they're so poor that they can't afford any game at full price, but they are too lazy at the same time to seek out alternative sellers that sell the game at a lower price? Yeah it is getting thicker all right. I bought the deluxe edition of every game I purchased as new recently, but I don't demand that from others. Also there is the fact the success of the game is always determined by the initial sales. So even if you don't pay full price, you show much more support by buying the game in the first few weeks after release. If you want the best chance for a sequel or similar games, that's what you have to do.

Instead of going off on this tangent, why don't you just admit that you were wrong, and no [H] gamer would pass on HL3? It would be so much easier for you as well :p



No mid range PC will play AAA games for 6 years. Of course I don't want people that are so poor to not have a PC that can play the game to buy them at release date. I specifically said that the gamer who has a gaming pc but can't afford to buy a single game at full price, doesn't exist. Remember I only said that if you don't buy HL3 at release then hand in your gamer card. I didn't mention any other game.


The killer is that I'm better with money than most US citizens, therefore I can afford to buy games at release, even deluxe editions of games. And I have a gaming PC that can actually play them. Don't you see that you're actually defeating your own argument here? If I can afford to buy games at full price, everyone who can hold down a job in the US should be able to afford them as well, if they were good with money. Of course I'm being unfair, because some aspects of living are actually cheaper here, but prices are catching up faster with US prices than wages. And in some areas they were never lower to begin with. Like for example a gaming PC (and for that matter all consumer electronics) costs at least 30% more here in the EU than in the US. Not to mention Petrol or Gas or whatever you call it.
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Tell you what. Can you please give me a code for black ops 4? You seem to be rich and doing very well. I'm sure you can afford it. After all I'm a poor disabled "not a real" gamer.
 
NoOther said:
Every game they play no? You said that they aren't a true gamer if they aren't buying the game when it first comes out. That means they would be paying full price for every game they played. Being true gamers, they love to play a variety of games. If they had to pay full price for every game they played, they would go broke.

That reasoning is just poor. There is nothing at all wrong for someone who wants to play a lot of games (because they are a "true" gamer) to wait for deals on the games they want to play.
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Just read back, it all started with HL3, I've said you're not a true gamer if you don't buy HL3 at release. I didn't say you have to buy every game at release to be considered a gamer. If it can be interpreted like that then it must have been poor wording on my part. It is not what I meant. I meant that if you don't buy such a game like HL3 when it is released (despite being interested in the game)
 
This has gotten dumb. What makes a gamer? Why is this label important to some and feared by others? Who give a shit?

Valve did something dumb, that is right in line with how Valve has been operating for the last decade, its about damn time the rest of the marketplace caught up to their one niche and decimated Gabe's fat ass.
 
I would bet if HL3 comes out anytime in the near future it will have loot boxes, battle royale mode and skins locked to a real money only store as well as no private or lan server options. It would be a disgusting cash grab at this point and would be a stain on the franchise.

It isn't like valve does much to prove they are still about producing great art for the sake of it.
 
Falkentyne said:
Tell you what. Can you please give me a code for black ops 4? You seem to be rich and doing very well. I'm sure you can afford it. After all I'm a poor disabled "not a real" gamer.
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I wouldn't buy cod4 if they put a gun to my head. And just because I'm apparently rich (despite making it clear that I'm not) doesn't mean I have to be charitable, does it?
 
M76 said:
Just read back, it all started with HL3, I've said you're not a true gamer if you don't buy HL3 at release. I didn't say you have to buy every game at release to be considered a gamer. If it can be interpreted like that then it must have been poor wording on my part. It is not what I meant. I meant that if you don't buy such a game like HL3 when it is released (despite being interested in the game)
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The same principle applies. Why must one buy HL3 at release in order to be a true gamer? I consider myself a true gamer and I never even played Half Life 2 and I am not likely to buy HL3 at all.
 
Aireoth said:
This has gotten dumb. What makes a gamer? Why is this label important to some and feared by others? Who give a shit?
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Well some people did become very triggered when I said they are not gamers if they don't buy HL3 on release date. And they act as if they're not triggered for themselves but for this group of poor gamers, who can't afford to buy any new release, but apparently have bad-ass mid range PCs. That reminds me of a group of people who make a habit of being triggered in other people's behalf all the time,

But really, what does it matter if I consider them true gamers or not?
 
NoOther said:
The same principle applies. Why must one buy HL3 at release in order to be a true gamer? I consider myself a true gamer and I never even played Half Life 2 and I am not likely to buy HL3 at all.
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I thought it's such an anticipated title that no-one would bear to pass on it, who are even slightly invested in gaming and know what it represents. Apparently I was wrong.
 
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