Who Needs the US? Alibaba Will Make Its Own Computer Chips

Megalith

Megalith

24-bit/48kHz
Staff member
Joined
Aug 20, 2006
Messages
13,000
In an effort to minimize dependence on US technology, China e-commerce and tech giant Alibaba announced this week it would be developing its own artificial intelligence chips for powering cloud computing and internet-connected devices. Alibaba and most other Chinese companies were apparently spooked by what happened to ZTE, which was temporarily “brought to its knees” by the US Commerce Department’s ban this summer.

"The market for chips is controlled by America ... and suddenly if they stop selling, what that means, you understand," Ma told university students in Tokyo in April. "That's why China, Japan and any country — you need core technologies." Ma's remarks came shortly after the US Commerce Department blocked American companies from selling parts to ZTE (ZTCOF), a Chinese tech company that relied on US suppliers, including chipmakers, to manufacture smartphones and telecommunications equipment.
 
Megalith said:
Alibaba announced this week it would be developing its own artificial intelligence chips for powering cloud computing and internet
Click to expand...
And by "developing" they really mean "steal" because that's really all China knows how to do. They don't innovate, they steal. It's been shown time and time again that when a company goes to China to manufacture something, six to eight months later copycats come to market at a cheaper price. Coincidence? I think not!
 
trparky said:
And by "developing" they really mean "steal" because that's really all China knows how to do. They don't innovate, they steal. It's been shown time and time again that when a company goes to China to manufacture something, six to eight months later copycats come to market at a cheaper price. Coincidence? I think not!
Click to expand...

This is what I was going to say...
 
trparky said:
And by "developing" they really mean "steal" because that's really all China knows how to do. They don't innovate, they steal. It's been shown time and time again that when a company goes to China to manufacture something, six to eight months later copycats come to market at a cheaper price. Coincidence? I think not!
Click to expand...
While true, gotta say I have very little sympathy for those companies, it's not a state secret, and in many cases the Chinese government has requirements to share technology (open up the locks to the designs), it's the greed of these companies as they factor in that the losses due to counterfeiting are less than the cost to open up business in some country where theft is less likely but workers wages are much higher. That was the grand plan behind China's push into industrialization, otherwise they'd just be getting Russia's leftover technology like always, and the plan doesn't work unless the government can quell the people, shit can't happen in western countries because if someone protests about low wages they don't disappear to a labor prison.
 
sfsuphysics said:
While true, gotta say I have very little sympathy for those companies, it's not a state secret, and in many cases the Chinese government has requirements to share technology (open up the locks to the designs), it's the greed of these companies as they factor in that the losses due to counterfeiting are less than the cost to open up business in some country where theft is less likely but workers wages are much higher. That was the grand plan behind China's push into industrialization, otherwise they'd just be getting Russia's leftover technology like always, and the plan doesn't work unless the government can quell the people, shit can't happen in western countries because if someone protests about low wages they don't disappear to a labor prison.
Click to expand...

The US requires similar stuff, especially back doors and the like. To me China's biggest problem is that the rule of law runs straight through political office. While that's also true for the US supreme court, criminal courts in the US are mostly hands off. That's not something you can say for China. CEOs that don't obey the party disappear until they "learn" to behave. It's a dangerous place to do business, until that changes I think the world should be working together to keep China down a little until they cooperate. There was a treaty designed to do that, but you know... Politics is what politics is.
 
TSMC ("Chinese") is really caught in the middle here. They'll be making Intel and AMD chips, since Intel and Global Foundries all but gave up. Plus everyone loves a single point of failure/monopoly. Plus tariffs and trade wars. Yippee skippy. The future looks so bright, I gotta wear welding goggles.
 
It's creeps like this, who makes comments for the Chinese Government, that we say. The Internet Never Forgives and Never Forgets. He is a Base ball bat up side to the head quality of vermin.

Here's Ma playing Micheal Jackson



And then we have Ma playing KungFu Fighter.



There of course more bullshit about his martial artist skillz but showing more of this creep who looks like a dysfunctional uber driver only gives him credit for what it pretends to be.
 
trparky said:
And by "developing" they really mean "steal" because that's really all China knows how to do. They don't innovate, they steal. It's been shown time and time again that when a company goes to China to manufacture something, six to eight months later copycats come to market at a cheaper price. Coincidence? I think not!
Click to expand...

And... why wouldn't they do so? It makes a lot of sense to simply not reinvent the wheel and let the end justify whatever mean to do it on their part. We shouldn't even dwell on this anymore.

What is more important is that the Chinese will have that 12nm fab and they will produce chips. How long till they can reach what Qualcomm and Broadcomm can offer to the market today is the real question.
 
trparky said:
And by "developing" they really mean "steal" because that's really all China knows how to do. They don't innovate, they steal. It's been shown time and time again that when a company goes to China to manufacture something, six to eight months later copycats come to market at a cheaper price. Coincidence? I think not!
Click to expand...


That's ever so slightly beginning to change now. Dji, the drone company, is absolutely terrified that American companies will steal their designs. I'm guessing this trend will only continue.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem
 
trparky said:
And by "developing" they really mean "steal" because that's really all China knows how to do. They don't innovate, they steal. It's been shown time and time again that when a company goes to China to manufacture something, six to eight months later copycats come to market at a cheaper price. Coincidence? I think not!
Click to expand...

I mean Alibaba just looks at Amazon for a road map for what Alibaba will do in the future anyways. Anything Amazon has done that Alibaba hasn't will be the next thing they do. There's a reason why Alibaba is China's Amazon, and they mean it literally.
 
Reimu said:
And... why wouldn't they do so? It makes a lot of sense to simply not reinvent the wheel and let the end justify whatever mean to do it on their part. We shouldn't even dwell on this anymore.
Click to expand...
There's this little thing called intellectual property rights and along with it patents. China has repeatedly shown that they don't give a flying fuck about patents held in other countries or even their own country for that matter. They simply steal it and not give credit where credit is due and they don't pay royalties back to the company that holds said patents.
 
trparky said:
There's this little thing called intellectual property rights and along with it patents.
Click to expand...

I think Reimu's point is that China doesn't care about IP because it's only objective is to become the #1 world power, not #1 next door neighbor.

Stealing IP is the most efficient way to catch up. They aren't going to reinvent the wheel just because it's the right thing to do.
 
Kardonxt said:
I think Reimu's point is that China doesn't care about IP because it's only objective is to become the #1 world power, not #1 next door neighbor.
Click to expand...
That's how you tend to piss people off and China has that down to a science.
 
trparky said:
That's how you tend to piss people off and China has that down to a science.
Click to expand...

And yes, I agree with this whole burning bridges aspect, but the problem here is that the Chinese are involved in fighting for the African and Eastern European markets at that, where it wouldn't matter if they are using American IPs for the products to be sold there.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top