AMD CPUs Take Charge over Intel at Leading German Retailer

According to the latest sales report from leading German retailer Mindfactory.de, AMD has managed to stay ahead of Intel in CPU sales in both July and August, mirroring their lead from last year. While Intel is still winning in terms of revenue, an increasing number of enthusiasts appear to be entrusting their money to AMD instead.

I believe this could be the combined result of the massive amounts of vulnerabilities Intel processors face, most recently L1TF / Foreshadow where the only real solution to mitigate against it would be to disable hyper threading. Combine this with AMD slashing the prices of their previous generation products while their second-generation products make more of an impact providing higher-quality products and higher performance below every single price point set by Intel.

I'd like to see AMD slam nVidia into the wall next please!

I'd like to see some stats before the ryzen cpu's, that'd be funny to see

Competition is good ! Really pleased with Ryzen so far and the endless news of flaws / PR nightmare from Inteal makes it even more fun to watch !

Waiting for a certain someone to come in and say this isn't proper data and isn't relevant to the CPU industry because it's only one store/region/country/continent...


And then make a whole new thread with paid infographics as soon as this same store/region/country/continent has an Intel product take top spot...

KazeoHin said:

Waiting for a certain someone to come in and say this isn't proper data and isn't relevant to the CPU industry because it's only one store/region/country/continent...


And then make a whole new thread with paid infographics as soon as this same store/region/country/continent has an Intel product take top spot...

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LOL just saw his "Pro-Intel / Anti-AMD Just FYI" under his name, this is gold !

Nice.

I enjoy competition and the inovation it brings..... Also cheaper chips

One retailer in a country where people actually give a damn about privacy and security. I guess it's a start.

I see this german retailer constantly getting press about how much amd chips are selling there, unless they are literally the only etailer on the planet that is posting their sales numbers, why is this specific store, on a continent acrossed an ocean, in a foreign language country, the apparent measuring stick for sensational headlines?

oldmanbal said:

I see this german retailer constantly getting press about how much amd chips are selling there, unless they are literally the only etailer on the planet that is posting their sales numbers, why is this specific store, on a continent acrossed an ocean, in a foreign language country, the apparent measuring stick for sensational headlines?

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I don't see Amazon or Newegg posting any of this info for the US. So I would assume these guys are doing something no ones else is doing.

I'm planning on a new system sometime next year. I use my computers for a lot of different tasks - games are a small part of it. I'm leaning towards some variation of the Threadripper at this point.
My current system (2600k) is going on 6-7 years old now. I did replace the video card a few years ago with a 970, replaced boot with SSD, but otherwise it's been the original purpose. I got my money's worth out of it - after I'm done, either one of my kids will get it or it will become an entry on my server rack (although I've got a glut of systems right now...) Anyway, my point is I want another system that will last me a long time. I see AMD as the better value for what I do right now.
I'll just kick back and watch until I'm ready to replace this system. Nothing is getting carried over. I need someone to try to compete with Nvidia so I have a few choices before I jump in.

TangledThornz said:

I'd like to see AMD slam nVidia into the wall next please!

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As much as I'd like to see this since Nvidia needs a wake up call, I believe that if AMD can match Nvidia or beat them in the area of graphical horsepower it all comes down to ray tracing tech and how the gaming community takes to it.

I wonder if AMD also has a ray tracing card up their sleeve, probably wishful thinking by far on my part unless someone who knows more can enlighten me and give me hope.

Derfman said:

As much as I'd like to see this since Nvidia needs a wake up call, I believe that if AMD can match Nvidia or beat them in the area of graphical horsepower it all comes down to ray tracing tech and how the gaming community takes to it.

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I believe that even if AMD beats Nvidia it literally won’t change a fucking thing. Die hards are going to die hard and Nvidia has a lot more of them.

Nolan7689 said:

I believe that even if AMD beats Nvidia it literally won’t change a fucking thing. Die hards are going to die hard and Nvidia has a lot more of them.

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the die hards wil always stick to one company that is true.

but we are seeing a lot of people jumping from intel to amd just because they are sick of minimal improvements and glacial core count increases.

if amd can come up with a great card at a great price they may get the same effect.

oldmanbal said:

I see this german retailer constantly getting press about how much amd chips are selling there, unless they are literally the only etailer on the planet that is posting their sales numbers, why is this specific store, on a continent acrossed an ocean, in a foreign language country, the apparent measuring stick for sensational headlines?

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THUMPer said:

I don't see Amazon or Newegg posting any of this info for the US. So I would assume these guys are doing something no ones else is doing.

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Exactly this. Where else are we supposed to get hard numbers on sales and revenue specific to retail CPU sales and not a mess of OEM and other products thrown in? I wonder why Mindfactory hasn't been blacklisted by Intel at this point. It's one of the few ways we can know for sure that even though Intel dominates in the general populace (see the Firefox statistics thread a few days back) the people building their own systems are 50/50 split between brands.

It's not like you can upgrade an intel CPU anyways, so why wouldn't you consider AMD? AMD has the better chips for cheaper.

Like, this is literally Intel's socket spam idiocy biting them in the butt.

(oh, and it's not like AMD and Intel didn't fall for this stupid socket spam idiocy in the past with S754 and S423, so they should know better)

I do think using a single German retailer as some kind of metric is stupid, but it does spark the appropriate questions and conversation.

It has not been lost on me that the BIOS and Windows patches just keep on coming for Intel, and yes, hyperbole or not there's a lot of talk right now about whether hyper threading is even viable to keep using for security reasons. For now, we aren't hearing more than a few people make this assertion but besides the Linux distro there's also the issue that the next i7-9700k won't have hyper threading. Sure, Intel says it's for additional market separation between the i7-9700k and the i9-9900k but you know the issue is still nagging in everyone's mind.

When someone comes into my store and wants a higher end computer built and they're the type of person who intends to keep the system for many years (5-7+) It's hard to say right this second what the situation will be with Intel's current CPUs. How many more BIOS updates hamstringing the CPU and how many more Windows patches reducing performance? What IF the hammer falls a year from now and it is decided that all hyper threaded CPUs... ALL of them have to have HT disabled?

Sure, it is just as likely that it won't happen.

But it certainly could with the trajectory these bugs are on.

So at that point, the 2700x is a heck of a lot safer bet over the long haul with what we know right this second.

It's not the highest performance choice, but it could end up being just that after another two years of patches to Intel parts.

So when someone says they want something really good that will last a long time... we recommend what? The AMD is an easier choice right this moment.

Which BLOWS MY MIND. I havn't sold AMD hardware at my shop at all in close to a decade and now I'm hard pressed to NOT recommend it.

And those 2200G and 2400G APU chips... the on-board video is a ton better than anything Intel has on their i3 or i5 lineup.

Competition is key so a stronger AMD should mean lower prices for all of us

It's really a number of factors at play here. Price vs. performance is HEAVILY weighted towards AMDs chips, Intel's use of TIM instead of solder, Spectre/Meltdown vunerabilities, Intel's decision to sell an i9 without multithreading, Intel's inability to move to 10nm...so they cripple existing chips to fill niches, and essentially factory overclock others to try and remain competitive, and Intel essentially forcing motherboard upgrades every time they release a new processor.

It all adds up when you are reading about what chip to buy. For me, personally, I was SUPER excited about Threadripper last year, and had a $6000 build all planned out around the 1950x. I decided to put it off for 6 months, and when I was again ready to build, I decided to go with a Ryzen 2700x. (I managed to shave the cost down to $4300 or so, before tax and shipping, lol) Is it the fastest CPU out there? No, it's not. Is it DAMN fast and the best CPU I have ever owned? Yes, yes it is!

AMD is making chips fast enough to satisfy all but the pickiest basement dwellers, and the market is reacting. This will continue into next year, when we will see similar articles talking about AMD's dominance at Microcenter and Best Buy. It's happening folks!

TangledThornz said:

I'd like to see AMD slam nVidia into the wall next please!

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I'd like to see Intel take their graphics serious so we'd have three choices instead of two.

Derfman said:

I wonder if AMD also has a ray tracing card up their sleeve, probably wishful thinking by far on my part unless someone who knows more can enlighten me and give me hope.

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I wouldn't be surprised if AMD is ahead of Nvidia in Ray-Tracing, but since they lack R&D like Nvidia they just haven't been able to put out a product yet. Little by little I learn more and more about Nvidia's RTX chips, and it seems like Nvidia kinda threw those chips together in order to get a foothold on market lock-down. Like the AI chip which cleans up the Ray-Tracing and gives AA that doesn't slow down the frame rate, might be the result of Tesla dumping Nvidia. The RT Core that does the Ray Casting is an ASIC chip, meaning that it specializes in Ray-Tracing.

But the games that will get Ray-Tracing were developed on Pascal cards, which got like 30 fps. That's impressive considering a GTX 1080 Ti doesn't have the Ray-Tracing specific hardware like Turing does. The Turing cards will get 60 fps for the same game with more enhancements, but one has to wonder what AMD's Vega 64 will get? It certainly won't get 60 fps, but considering it has more compute power than Nvidia, I wonder if it'll get something like 40 fps? Nvidia's Turing is using half the die size specifically for Ray-Tracing and nothing more beyond AA that doesn't impact frame rates.

What if AMD just made a much more massive GPU that was just pure compute power, and maybe even use the Ryzen cores in addition? Instead of developing an AI core and an ASIC core that specializes in Ray-Tracing like Nvidia? Nvidia maybe aware of something going on with AMD and they released this product to basically recreate the same situation like they did with PhysX. Especially since AMD is likely to have the PS5 and Xbox Two, which if they get Ray-Tracing from AMD it certainly won't be the same as what Nvidia is doing with Turing. But by the time those console games get around to porting to PC, Nvidia would have dominated the PC Ray-Tracing market enough that developers have no choice but to use Nvidia's method of Ray-Tracing.

AMD is doing great and thats competition. When they do great, we enthusiests do great.

Meh. My 3770k's mobo failed today so i went to check prices on 2700X.
Its friggin sold out everywhere in Norway
Seems AMD is doing good.

oldmanbal said:

I see this german retailer constantly getting press about how much amd chips are selling there, unless they are literally the only etailer on the planet that is posting their sales numbers, why is this specific store, on a continent acrossed an ocean, in a foreign language country, the apparent measuring stick for sensational headlines?

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Because it generates the expected headlines and clickbaits. Same reason why most media reported Passmark marketshare numbers, when the database was cheated. Publishing a sensationalist headline as "AMD CPU Share up 10.4% in Q2, Its Largest Gain vs. Intel in History" and getting dozens of mentions and thousand of visits is more profitable than publishing an accurate headline as "AMD CPU share up 2% in Q2". Sites not only didn't publish real data once this was available, but they didn't even retract the news with the cheated data.

In Amazon Germany the top four best sellers are Intel

https://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/computers/430177031

but you will not see any press about that.

Not only Mindfactory is a single store from a single country and doesn't represent worldwide sales, but this kind of stores only represent retail


When he claims "VERY different", what he is trying to say is that Intel is selling much more than AMD.

juanrga said:

Because it generates the expected headlines and clickbaits. Same reason why most media reported Passmark marketshare numbers, when the database was cheated. Publishing a sensationalist headline as "AMD CPU Share up 10.4% in Q2, Its Largest Gain vs. Intel in History" and getting dozens of mentions and thousand of visits is more profitable than publishing an accurate headline as "AMD CPU share up 2% in Q2". Sites not only didn't publish real data once this was available, but they didn't even retract the news with the cheated data.

In Amazon Germany the top four best sellers are Intel

https://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/computers/430177031

but you will not see any press about that.

Not only Mindfactory is a single store from a single country and doesn't represent worldwide sales, but this kind of stores only represent retail


When he claims "VERY different", what he is trying to say is that Intel is selling much more than AMD.

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Thank you for doing the maths on my baseless accusations, what is your retainer, sir.

Honestly, I'm more surprised that the highest selling chip in that data set is a ~$400 piece of kit. I think there's more of a news story in that than anything.