AMD TR 2 32 core? Too spendy? Updated with strong potential price leak!

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the 2990x = potentially $1835 ?? Ouch that put a damper in my plans.... go figure. Looks like I will be staying with Intel sigh ... Just my personal opinion. That is just too much money for my blood.

But that is not official pricing especially given this is WCCFtech were talking about here.

https://wccftech.com/amds-ryzen-threadripper-2990x-listed-for-1835-usd-at-canadian-retailer/

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Wccftech (cough cough) just posted the price leak as of 6-3-18

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2000-specs-prices-leak-2990wx-1799-usd/
 
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We will see. I can see them putting it in the $1500 range at launch but I personally probably won't bite until a price break happens. I paid a full $999 for my 1950x because it was my new rig after 5 years, I was exited, and didn't think they'd discount it for a while, then two months later it could be had for $799. This time I am in no hurry for a new CPU. ;)
 
notarat said:
Spendy? Considering the Intel alternative is $10,000?
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You have to get that comparison to server shit out of here man. Those days are over. We are now in the age of high core desktop processors where Intel is about to drop 8 core as their highest tier regular desktop chip. And Amd is going to 10 and 16 for standard desktop chips. Dude we would still be on quad core Intel chips as the PREMO market had AMD never been successful with Ryzen and the number of people that were awakened to just how productive those 8 core chips were. Now Intel is struggling to get their 8 core I9's out as fast as possible.

This is a core war now.

Alas, as a disclaimer I am entitled to my opinion just as much as anyone reading this is entitled to ignore the shit out of me.
 
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Someone who needs it will spend whatever it costs if it performs like a 32c 4GHz+ ryzen should–not too many alternatives with those kind of credentials, and those aren't going to be any cheaper.

For those of us where it'd be a nice to have, or simply a want, you may have to either wait a little while or pony up some cash. I have no doubt that it'll be priced at a premium, at least compared to what some have come to expect from AMD.
 
Nobu said:
Someone who needs it will spend whatever it costs if it performs like a 32c 4GHz+ ryzen should–not too many alternatives with those kind of credentials, and those aren't going to be any cheaper.

For those of us where it'd be a nice to have, or simply a want, you may have to either wait a little while or pony up some cash. I have no doubt that it'll be priced at a premium, at least compared to what some have come to expect from AMD.
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I am not sure anyone actually needs Threadripper 2 because people that actually NEED these are working for corporations with big Dell and HP contracts and they give you Intel. Go to your corporate IT bossman/lady and be like ... "Yo give me a Threadripper 2" and their gonna tell you to get out of their office because Threadripper sounds stupid, they never heard of it, and they have a contract with Dell. That is reality.

Remember what people know on these forums about the latest tech is not in any way shape or form what the rest of regular outside society knows about stuff. Go to 10,000 random people on the street and ask them... hey bro you wanna get a Ryzen chip in your rig and they will look at you like your an idiot. Ask the same about Intel and they will be like .... In wtf? Lets go drink beer dude. Because this is a forum of know it all geeks that is substantially far smaller than reality. Shit my grandmother has enough money to buy 5000 acres of any land of choice she wants but she has no idea what the Internet even is. Reality. And reality is ... AMD over built the number of Threadrippers, priced them too high, and now at my local microcenter there are like 10 of them sitting there with Dust on the boxes because no one wants them and they cost too damn much even reduced to $699.00. Even @ that price to us 16 cores is a orgasm price to perf ratio, but we are such a small segment of the community.

Again my opinion however uninformed I may be please ignore it if you don't agree or rebut with tact not flame.
 
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tangoseal said:
1 - You have to get that comparison to server shit out of here man. This is a core war now. - Until Intel actually releases a Desktop with the same # of cores as 2990X there can be no other type of comparison. I don't deal in vaporware and never have.

2 - Those days are over. We are now in the age of high core desktop processors where Intel is about to drop 8 core as their highest tier regular desktop chip. - Tell me something I didn't already know.

3 - And Amd is going to 10 and 16 for standard desktop chips. Dude we would still be on quad core Intel chips as the PREMO market had AMD never been successful with Ryzen and the number of people that were awakened to just how productive those 8 core chips were. - Welcome to my thought process from a year ago.

4 - Now Intel is struggling to get their 8 core I9's out as fast as possible. Yep


Alas, as a disclaimer I am entitled to my opinion just as much as anyone reading this is entitled to ignore the shit out of me. - Yep
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Employee here whose job it is to maintain, enhance, and support critical financial applications for a fortune 50 company with close ties to one of the mentioned suppliers. That supplier provided us with quad socket Opteron servers to run most of those applications on, and piece of shit Carrizo laptops to do our work on.

(The rest of the apps run on Itanium clusters because... well... SAP)
 
Did people really think this CPU was cheap? If Intel were to release a 32 core CPU it would most likely cost twice the price of this.

For once, it seems like AMD actually beat Intel to the punch when it comes to releasing a flagship HEDT CPU while Intel has no response as of yet apart from that 28 core CPU which isn't coming out next year.
 
I literally had a threadripper system in my cart when Skillz told me TR2 was coming out in September. I will wait for it and get that 32 core goodness. I can't wait to see what solidworks can do with that many cores. Visual studio compile containers are multi threaded as well :p Granted it will be folding most of the time...
 
Do not expect great performance by Threadripper in SolidWorks. Of course you said you have other uses for it as well, so that's good.
SolidWorks is multi-threaded, but because of how it has to recalculate things it only uses maybe 2 cores for model rotations and part rebuilds. If you go to the model tree and change something that was done very early in the part design, then SolidWorks has to rebuild the part one feature at a time. It can't rebuild all steps in parallel. More cores do not matter. IPC is king and AMD is behind on that for now.
It pains me to say that since I like AMD and have a Ryzen, but it's the truth.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...offee-Lake-vs-Skylake-X-vs-Threadripper-1105/

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$1800 is too much for me, but I am looking at 16-24 cores for my new build. I'm thinking somewhere between $800-$1200 would be ideal.

Hmm.
 
pgaster said:
Do not expect great performance by Threadripper in SolidWorks. Of course you said you have other uses for it as well, so that's good.
SolidWorks is multi-threaded, but because of how it has to recalculate things it only uses maybe 2 cores for model rotations and part rebuilds. If you go to the model tree and change something that was done very early in the part design, then SolidWorks has to rebuild the part one feature at a time. It can't rebuild all steps in parallel. More cores do not matter. IPC is king and AMD is behind on that for now.
It pains me to say that since I like AMD and have a Ryzen, but it's the truth.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...offee-Lake-vs-Skylake-X-vs-Threadripper-1105/

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It's true, I saw that in action on my 6800k. I am trying to ignore that fact so I can continue to justify to myself buying this cpu hehe.

What I am hoping for, but may not get, is the ability to throw 8 cores at a vm while running solidworks without slowing the system down. Some of these compilers, especially Visual studio can have bewildering cpu usage patterns.
 
I'm just waiting for a benchmark. As long as it can outperform my PC on most aspects, I'll probably upgrade.
 
I have no idea why you have any interest in it Tangoseal since you said the 16 core Threadripper was more then you needed. Personally I think AMD is selling it to cheap for that many cores.
 
Gideon said:
I have no idea why you have any interest in it Tangoseal since you said the 16 core Threadripper was more then you needed. Personally I think AMD is selling it to cheap for that many cores.
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It's not anymore. The 16 was at the time but I've taken up video work now that is much more demanding hence my desire but.... since I'm on x299 I'm gonna see what prices Intel wants for their 22 core. Probably $666,000 dollars.
 
So, because AMD's 32 core is ~$1800, best to get intel? What does Intel's competing product cost? how much does Intel's product that matches this CPU's performance cost?

That's like saying "Welp, the new corvette is going to cost $120K, Guess I'm going Lamborghini now..." That makes no sense...
 
KazeoHin said:
So, because AMD's 32 core is ~$1800, best to get intel? What does Intel's competing product cost? how much does Intel's product that matches this CPU's performance cost?

That's like saying "Welp, the new corvette is going to cost $120K, Guess I'm going Lamborghini now..." That makes no sense...
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I have a $500 x299 board already. That's 500 plus another 1800 I'd have to spend for AMD.

In my original hope factor... i factored the AMD part being around 14ish to 15ish to help offset a new motherboard. I wanted to keep it all under 2k. But that doesn't look possible unless this wcctech article is bullshit and they don't have a fancy track record.
 
tangoseal said:
I have a $500 x299 board already. That's 500 plus another 1800 I'd have to spend for AMD.

In my original hope factor... i factored the AMD part being around 14ish to 15ish to help offset a new motherboard. I wanted to keep it all under 2k. But that doesn't look possible unless this wcctech article is bullshit and they don't have a fancy track record.
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Amazon has a 5 installment payment plan for certain tech purchases. Maybe they will add TR2 and the motherboards to that as a way to soften the blow to your pocket.
 
tangoseal said:
I have a $500 x299 board already. That's 500 plus another 1800 I'd have to spend for AMD.

In my original hope factor... i factored the AMD part being around 14ish to 15ish to help offset a new motherboard. I wanted to keep it all under 2k. But that doesn't look possible unless this wcctech article is bullshit and they don't have a fancy track record.
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ah, you already bought into X299... poor soul. however, you should be used to spending $1500 on CPUs for this platform!

I kid I kid, but that makes it a bit more understandable Still, the 32 core TR4 chip will most likely meet-or-exceed any intel chip currently on that platform, and most if not all CPUs to come on that platform. and seeing as how Inte charge $1800 for their 18-core, and the BIGGEST chip you can get for 2099 sockets is a 24 core, I doubt you're going to pay as little as $1800 for that, my guess will be closer to $3500
 
The 2990X will probably be $1500 in the US; EU and CA prices include import taxes.
 
I still think it will launch closer to $1650, but in any case I think the 24 core part should be the part people should watch, including power users.

When overclocking, the 32 core has to be a strain on the VRM, even on the best motherboards.

Also, for those with AIO coolers, they will be able to run them a lot quieter on a 24/7 oc.
 
tangoseal said:
I have a $500 x299 board already. That's 500 plus another 1800 I'd have to spend for AMD.

In my original hope factor... i factored the AMD part being around 14ish to 15ish to help offset a new motherboard. I wanted to keep it all under 2k. But that doesn't look possible unless this wcctech article is bullshit and they don't have a fancy track record.
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So your "complaint" has nothing to do with the product just that you already have equipment for reuse?
 
I bet launch price is lower than that. Even if not, it's not a bad deal even at that price. But still, I suspect AMD will launch lower than that.
 
What the F is that Chingy Chong garbage. Is it really that hard to show a clear screen with modern technology?
 
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I said in another thread I expect the 32-core variant to come out at about 2K USD and Kyle already corrected me downward with a semi-confirmed price around 1.5K. At either 1.5K or 2K, if you're using this for work it and your workloads can take advantage of all 32 cores you'd compensate for the price very quickly.

As a hobby machine? Probably not the best choice to spend money but spending on hobbies is never about the money anyway but the enjoyment you derive from it.
 
notarat said:
Spendy? Considering the Intel alternative is $10,000?
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Comparing the price of an HEDT processor with the price of an 8P server chip is both misleading and unfair.

FYI the 32 core EPYC is $4000 whereas the 32 core Threadripper is expected to be below $2000.
 
Seeing all the segments collapse upon themselves really shows how artificial they were to begin with. A couple cores here and there. If you need moar core, get a server board, etc.

Intel can no longer compete with itself. Sooner or later giving a two core bump or delineating the top tier hyperthreading, just wont cut it.

AMD is blending every segment to almost its least common denominator. High end desktop chips fit in low end boards. (vrm be dammed) Server and user separated by memory channel and pcie. The whole APUser arena.

Its freaky.
 
juanrga said:
Comparing the price of an HEDT processor with the price of an 8P server chip is both misleading and unfair.

FYI the 32 core EPYC is $4000 whereas the 32 core Threadripper is expected to be below $2000.
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Depends on the epyc, the cheaper slower 32 core epic still has 8 memory channels for 2300

https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16819113470

No way the 32 core one is going to be over 2k with only 4 memory channels.
 
It's cheap, if you need it you know that.

I'd pay $3k fora Zen+ Epyc P at that clock speed in a heartbeat.
 
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juanrga said:
Comparing the price of an HEDT processor with the price of an 8P server chip is both misleading and unfair.

FYI the 32 core EPYC is $4000 whereas the 32 core Threadripper is expected to be below $2000.
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I just tried finding a CPU from Intel that most closely matched the specs of the AMD CPU (~3.4GHz+ with 32 cores)

There aren't any on the Intel site that I can currently locate. The closest I could find was the Xeon 8180 which doesn't have 32 cores and has a base clock of 2.5GHz(but does have a nice turbo speed of 3.8GHz)

If there are other Intel CPUs more appropriate for comparison please list them. (and list their price)
 
notarat said:
I just tried finding a CPU from Intel that most closely matched the specs of the AMD CPU (~3.4GHz+ with 32 cores)

There aren't any on the Intel site that I can currently locate. The closest I could find was the Xeon 8180 which doesn't have 32 cores and has a base clock of 2.5GHz(but does have a nice turbo speed of 3.8GHz)

If there are other Intel CPUs more appropriate for comparison please list them. (and list their price)
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Since you mentioned clock speed of the intel it looks like TRipper 2 32 core has been fine tuned to hit 4ghz and can do so on an air cooler that was designed by Coolermaster.... other places are starting to indicate that the chip is going to be between 14 and 1500, that means it puts it safely in my 2k for board and chip range I wanted but its all rumors sigh .. .well know in a few weeks I guess??? I have no idea the exact date that NDA lifts on these but I am sure Kyle and Co. know shit they are not allowed to share -- or not.

I mean holy shit bird.... 32 cores all synchronized to 4ghz... on friggin' air? Can we just call this the god chip now? Or is it too early lol? I have no idea what and who to believe anymore. The internet is truly solid fake news these days.

However, unlike TR1 which I bought within a week of release, this time I am going to wait a few months to see how it really fares, work out the bugs, get all the board reviews etc... again not to sound self hypocritical. At the time I didn't have a need for so many cores and as such I sold the chip. However over the last year my interest in doing amateur video production work espectially with my drones has grown increasingly for me and I am finding that this chip might be worth revisiting again with a renewed interest and actual ability to possibly make the most out of it. I am also waiting to see what Intels numbers look like soon as well since I already have an X299 board. Which I am not locked into by no means. Maybe the 24 core AMd is more along my usage needs than the 32. Time will tell.

https://wccftech.com/exclusive-amds-threadripper-2990x-4-ghz-on-air-new-wraith-coolers/
 
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Even if it doesn't hit all 32 cores at 4 GHz it's still an amazing chip for heavily threaded workflows. If it debuts at or around 1.5K USD, so much the better.

Ironic that we're getting all this desktop power when 1) AWS instances can be spun up dirt cheap for on-demand workloads, and 2) Microsoft is rumored to be considering moving Windows to DaaS (Desktop as a Service) where you rent your OS. :sick:
 
notarat said:
I just tried finding a CPU from Intel that most closely matched the specs of the AMD CPU (~3.4GHz+ with 32 cores)

There aren't any on the Intel site that I can currently locate. The closest I could find was the Xeon 8180 which doesn't have 32 cores and has a base clock of 2.5GHz(but does have a nice turbo speed of 3.8GHz)

If there are other Intel CPUs more appropriate for comparison please list them. (and list their price)
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You cannot find one still because Intel has not still announced CascadeLake-X chips.

Sorry, but comparing the expected pricing of an unreleased 32 core Threadripper to the pricing of a 8P 28 core Xeon continues being biased and unfair.

EDIT: The full 2018 roadmap has been just leaked and it already contains the 28-core HEDT chip.
 
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juanrga said:
You cannot find one still because Intel has not still announced CascadeLake-X chips.

Sorry, but comparing the expected pricing of an unreleased 32 core Threadripper to the pricing of a 8P 28 core Xeon continues being biased and unfair.
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"Pro-Intel / Anti-AMD Just FYI"

Can I get that post with a grain of salt?
 
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