Amazon's "Pivot" Program Takes Employees to Court

Well, I'm hoping robots will finally be here to replace all jobs so humans can do what humans are actually supposed to do; creative things.
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Unfortunately the percentage of creative people is terribly small.
Not really. You'd be surprised at how many employees get REAL creative in finding ways to avoid doing any work. They wanted 'jobs'. They didn't want 'work'.
Better than GE - they just promote people until they're not able to handle the responsibilities and get fired for cause.
The Peter Principle.

Any union job allows people to defend themselves from being fired. It is in the contract the employer needs to show just cause - including sustained poor performance.
Unfortunately, few unions are left. The company bosses convinced most of their employees that unions were bad. Same as they convinced them that the dems were responsible for republican company owners closing shop and moving them overseas. People are stupid.
I absolutely agree that an employer has the right to set performance goals and metrics - so long as they are realistic and attainable in the real world.
Too much work to be realistic. They changed job performance reviews back in the early 80's to focus on ever improving performance rather than work quality. There was no part of the evaluation that deemed the work satisfactory. It was all basically 'capable of improvement'.
It depends on where you live. Some states (Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire, Oregon) don't charge sales taxes.
California on the other hand charges 7.25% plus local add-ons. But New York State only charges 4%.
Where is that? https://smartasset.com/taxes/new-york-sales-tax
You're leaving out all the little 'add in' taxes. Each county charges sales tax, too, so it winds up being over 8% .

On Tuesday, they pulled a lady in who was listed on the org chart and said "Oops, we don't have a job for you any more so we are letting you go. Feel free to apply for some upcoming positions." This is how they treat a 20 year veteran who was always nice to everyone, thoughtful, and did a good job.
Their goal is to eliminate anyone who's managed to get incremental raises over a long period. I was told by management years ago that they factor in 'the law of diminishing returns' in employee performance; the max value an employer can get is a 5 year employee, who is very good at their job but hasn't been there long enough to gain increased wages. After that, it's better to find a way to fire them or lay them off. Then they can reapply at the base pay again. Capitalism at it's finest.
In general, companies suck and HR departments are generally filled with idiots who aren't capable of doing actual work that matters..
The only thing that matters in that position, is keeping labor costs down as much as possible without sacrificing too much quality in product.

Unfortunately, the old saying “it isn’t what you know, it is who you know” is all too true, especially in corporate America.
^that works if the person giving the recommendation is responsible for how the person who gets hired, works out. I got positions because people knew I did good work and didn't slack off. No one who recommended me ever got reamed by the boss for the recommendation. It's simply a way to narrow down the field of potential employees in an attempt to try to avoid crappy ones. When I was in a position to hire, I routinely asked not only my good employees, but other managers in my company as well as friends in other competing companies if they had someone that they wanted to hire or promote, that they didn't have a position for. Rather than lose that person to some unknown competitor, they gave him to me. And I did the same when my jobs were full. The networking system exists because it works for a lot of us. And people know it exists, and ask for referrals. If they're good, they get them. If they stink, they get the standard 'yeah, he was here in [xyz]capacity for [n] years'. The code phrase on the phone was said in an upbeat tone, "You'll be lucky to get him to work for you", only it was pretty common knowledge that the real meaning was, you'll be lucky to get him to work at all.

That said, I've had numerous people ask me to write them a letter of recommendation. Those who I really wanted to support, I included my phone number for the hiring manager to call me.
 
Damn this is bad. But work place bullshit is getting worse. Here is my story.

I work for aquisitoin for AT&T. AT&T also has fiber team, so they split our team and hired bunch of new people in to fiber roles. almost half aquisition and half fiber. I have 4 different quota buckets, I am required to sell 6200-6500 in fiber/security, and on top it includes cell phone activations, land line renewals and application revenue. So the fiber guys only have to sell any fiber product or security and their quota issssss 3000! Thats it and they never have to deal with any escalations as I am assigned to territory and have many more responsibilities. All they do is sell and get paid and hunt anywhere, I have to stay in my territory.

So lets just take my 4 quota buckets and compare it to their 1 bucket and even that bucket is half the revenue that I have to generate. Same or higher salary pay, same benefits! just sell 3000 in revenue and get paid 2500 in commission. If they sell as much as me they make 5k commission. Its nearly impossible for people in my position to make higher than 2500 by the time we wrap up all buckets lol.

They lowered our quota this year by 1000 to make us happier compared to fiber guys but still double their qouta + other shit.

There is not one person that would say that is fair game. Every day it feels like a slap in the face. What we get is pat on the back for making less money lol!

Let me be clear, this is a mess they cant clean up and managers are understanding they feel for us, and we respect the fiber folks we don't hate on them for making more, work place environment is very supportive. Heck even the guys in fiber role tell us they wouldn't do our job. Its such a big income gap, totally unfair.

At the end of the day money pays bills. AT&T fucked up big time when they started this position and pissed off veterans. I haven't been in this position for long, about a year. But I have seen so many people leave. Almost everyone has negative opinion of our position since they did this.

I mean who wouldn't like open hunting, small as quota. Higher salary, same benefits. I am moving and will likely be quitting and finding something else after I move, but I do love management though. They are usually very understanding and work environment is friendly. I can't believe why but if I can transfer I would probably still keep the job even though I hate this gap in responsibility and the inability to make more.

If AT&T did this I would have given a middle finger and told them to write me a check and I will find something else. lol

Core contact?

Have you spoken with a Stewart?
 
I was just thinking this is basically a Union Safeguard practice being put in place without the Union. Union shops do a fairly good job of self policing dead weight. Unions are actually good at keeping productivity up until they realize they can get more for less by increasing political power too. Some big businesses actually prefer working with Unions if the Unions agree to performance goals, and do this self-policing.

Living in CA with the strong employee protections I didn't really understand Unions.

Moved to NV and got a union job and found how good they are.

Unions do a lot for both employees and the employer.
 
They were doing this back in 2013 when i worked for them. This is partly why Amazon is the bottom of the barrel or the last ditch effort on the job scale anywhere they plop a fulfillment center.
 
Computer controlled slavery. When A.I. reaches an intelligence level above the average human, even the top brass will be treated like this, by a computer.
 
Computer controlled slavery. When A.I. reaches an intelligence level above the average human, even the top brass will be treated like this, by a computer.

I am not sure about that. The economic cycle will have to be maintained. If you got AI and robots everywhere then how the hell are humans gonna keep those robots in business? I don't think you can ever eliminate the human factor.
 
This reminds me of the worst facets of Stalin-esque workers committees. Another dystopian idea...
 
In the latest news about being an Amazon employee, Business Insider is reporting on the "Pivot" program. The Pivot program was introduced last year, and many employees are protesting the "performance-improving" program. Underperforming employees under the pivot program have three choices, quit and receive severance pay, spend then next couple months proving their worth by meeting goals set by the manager, or face a panel of peers in a courtroom-style video conference where the employee and their boss present the arguments about their performance, and then receive a decision. The article notes that 70% of employees lost those trials, and severance pay is only usually offered when "it's not your fault."

I wonder what would happen if you peed in a bottle during the video-trial?

Under the Pivot program, employees choose either one manager or three non-managers as their jury, Bloomberg reported. They're also allowed to dismiss some panelists if they think the panelists will be unsympathetic to their case, according to Bloomberg. But overall, the employee doesn't get to select the jurors.

You know I have an interview scheduled with Amazon for an IT job....I think I might just cancel it now. I dont feel like working in a toxic environment.
 
I don't mind goals and I dont mind performance management. I think this jury style shit amazon is doing thinking they are giving people fair chance can lead to immense pressure on the employee. I mean do you really think the employees are actually going to decide against a manager? That is why 70% of them lose the appeal. Also how do you think the next manager is going to treat you knowing you took the last manager to appeal lol. Its just the biased mindset that is unfair in this scenario. What they need to do is support the employees not put them on trial giving them choices making it seem like its a fair game.

This is the last step for the employee, this is after they already gave the employee a chance to improve. They instituted this instead of just outright firing the employee. So what is really going on is the employee is getting yet another, nother chance to stay employed with the company. As for the employees on the jury, they are independent of the manager and have nothing to fear from the manager.

70% of them lose the appeal because they were already given chances and didn't improve. Then they didn't make a strong enough case why they have not improved. Other employees aren't going to be particularly forgiving to someone who continues to perform below performance. Why would they? They have to perform, why doesn't this employee have to perform?

As for support, there is support, the employee received support before going to trial. The employee has the option to receive support after they go through the trial. They also do not have to take the trial option, they can immediately choose the support option or the severance, which is far more than anyone was getting before they started this program and far, far more than other companies offer.
 
Oh hell no. I shop a lot of B&M, but when I have to go to the 'net, I use Barnes&Noble, Wal-mart, B&H Photo, Adorama, Newegg, WholeLatteLove ...anyone but Amazon, basically.

I don't approve of Amazon's business practices! *looks at the companies on your list which you will do business with* *laughs*
 
I don't approve of Amazon's business practices! *looks at the companies on your list which you will do business with* *laughs*
I don't approve of Amazon's dominance. But what's your issue with WholeLatteLove?
 
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