James Cameron Explains How Avatar Sequels Will Revolutionize 3D

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James Cameron revolutionized visual effects and 3D cinema with 2009’s Avatar, and he plans to do it again when the sequel debuts in December 2020 with a new projection system that will solve the problem of 3D movies looking too dark. While the ultimate goal appears to be glasses-free 3D, this advancement will, at least, allow 3D films to look their best. The director also called Hollywood out for relying on post-conversion rather than shooting natively.

“They will be, to the best of my ability, the best 3D that’s possible to make. That includes collaborating with the people at Dolby Cinema, who have developed high dynamic range projection that could put 16 foot-lamberts of light on a 3D screen through the glasses, which is revolutionary. Normally, you’re looking at about three foot-lamberts. Sixteen is what you should be seeing. That’s what movies should look like.”
 
God dammit. I do not want to yet again go through a phase of a bunch of hackneyed 3D TVs (but now with 4 and 8k!) the shit just failed a couple years ago. Let it stay dead. The best place for 3D is on the 3DS...as the gimmick it is. Oooo cool, then turn it off.
 
I hope this doesn't mean that I'm going to need to bring my sunglasses to the movies with me.

But hey it's not like Hollywood has ever gone stupid overboard with anything, right?

...right??k
 
legcramp said:
lol 3D how about making an actual original good movie.
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Agreed. Seeing how Avatar was basically Fern Gully & Dances with Wolves smashed together. Funny because he actually came up with the idea for Avatar around the time those movies were released in the 90's.

 
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I interviewed with In-Three back in 2005, about 5 years before Cameron's Digital Domain company bought them out. They were doing this dimensionalization technique which didn't require glasses, and was being worked on for the original Star Wars trilogy. It was actually not bad. Still required the right kind of projection, i.e. wasn't some cure-all for proprietary stuff.

Though since DD went bankrupt, I wonder where the In-Three tech has gone.
 
Exavior said:
because every theater can afford new projectors which have yet to be made yet, and will replace everything they just purchased in order to play a single movie. All in a two year period no less.
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But it's James Cameron! Kneel, peasant.

The last movie from him I thought was actually good was the original Terminator. Starting with Aliens he went full on Hollywood cheese IMO. I mean they were entertaining, but probably not in the way he intended, at least for me.
 
It's unquestionable that 3D is better - it only becomes worse when the 3D is spoofed, and when we have to use any sort of peripheral.

Until glasses free 3D exists, and we start establishing ideal perspective points in regards to how the 3D in media is presented to a viewer at x distance away, 3D is not going to become the new norm.

TLDR: 3D media is an eventuality. We just need to do it without any strings attached
 
IcePickFreak said:
But it's James Cameron! Kneel, peasant.

The last movie from him I thought was actually good was the original Terminator. Starting with Aliens he went full on Hollywood cheese IMO. I mean they were entertaining, but probably not in the way he intended, at least for me.
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I've liked a shit ton of his movies. Maybe it's main stream of me, but seemingly a shit ton of people liked his movies also.
 
vegeta535 said:
No no god damn it NO. Let this 3D bullshit fucking die.
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3D at home sure (but even that's not horrible), but I think 3d Technology has lead a lot to the immersion technology and stuff that we as computer people are engaging now.

I kinda like the throw a bunch of shit at the general populace out, and lets see what sticks. Some of it leads to sucky things, but some of it has lead to pretty incredible things that we take for granted now.

Galvin said:
Cameron more about pushing tech than coming up with a new story line imo.
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It was discussed in 2009. There's nothing wrong with that. You pave the way and let the story tellers fine tune it for you. We can all agree that avatar was a pretty superficial story, but the mainstream portion of it made it work.

Plus I've always felt if you want a story, watch a mini series, or read a book. If you honestly want a full fleshed out story in a movie, then your target audience that enjoys it isn't going to pay for the budget of the film. It's not saying those movies don't exist, but it's few and far between and may not make a blockbuster.
 
I'm willing to give this new 3D tech a try...sounds much improved with the increased brightness and implementation of HDR...you know Cameron will force theaters to upgrade their equipment
 
He, and Hollywood, suckered people into paying $3-$5 more per ticket to watch nauseating crap movies that were just as good, if not better, on a regular screen or at home! He's revolutionized the theaters to the point most families can't afford to watch more than a couple of movies a year and have become much more picky about which movies will see their money in the process. Just make a damn good ORIGINAL movie for a decent ticket price and nice theater experience!
 
Well here we have theaters with recliners, cup holders and reserve your space and they are mostly empty. Go figure. Maybe if there was some great movies instead they would fill up, even with wooden chairs.

Saw Infinity War in 3d and it was not bad, most 3d movies to me look terrible - including Avatar - main reason is the models are not scaled right or more exactly the models and back drop sticks out like a sore thumb to me, most of the time looking like little barbie doll backdrops (even if 3d rendered). Or noses on close ups that look like big mountains sticking out of the face. Now boobs that is no problem but that is another thing.

Sounds like the projectors maybe travelling with the movie this time around like sound systems in the past like in Earthquake.
 
James has an original recycled idea to empty your wallet. You'll have to do better than that.
 
I'm glad that Cameron is out there pushing the technological envelope. 3D in a theater is wonderful when done right and it's a shame how it's mishandled with many movies and theaters.
 
He should worry more about making a good movie than 3D. Still have never been able to finish Avatar.
 
Kalabalana said:
It's unquestionable that 3D is better - it only becomes worse when the 3D is spoofed, and when we have to use any sort of peripheral.

Until glasses free 3D exists, and we start establishing ideal perspective points in regards to how the 3D in media is presented to a viewer at x distance away, 3D is not going to become the new norm.

TLDR: 3D media is an eventuality. We just need to do it without any strings attached
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Glasses free is a fine idea.. But yes, it's not going to happen the way we want for an entire theater to enjoy all at once (any damn time soon), that is for sure! Waaaay too many strings. Home theater has a better chance of achieving this type of quality for sure, but.... Still... It's... 3D.. Ugh.... 3D.... I just... Yeah, it's too damn problematic.
 
trentchau said:
3D at home sure (but even that's not horrible), but I think 3d Technology has lead a lot to the immersion technology and stuff that we as computer people are engaging now.

I kinda like the throw a bunch of shit at the general populace out, and lets see what sticks. Some of it leads to sucky things, but some of it has lead to pretty incredible things that we take for granted now.



It was discussed in 2009. There's nothing wrong with that. You pave the way and let the story tellers fine tune it for you. We can all agree that avatar was a pretty superficial story, but the mainstream portion of it made it work.

Plus I've always felt if you want a story, watch a mini series, or read a book. If you honestly want a full fleshed out story in a movie, then your target audience that enjoys it isn't going to pay for the budget of the film. It's not saying those movies don't exist, but it's few and far between and may not make a blockbuster.
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I think you got it backwards. I think most the tech crowd is in agreement that 3D is garbage.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
3D done right is quite nice- but that's rare.
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Agreed. Avatar is the only movie I prefer to watch in 3D instead of 4K, because it's so gorgeous on my 65" LG OLED.
But movie theater 3D? No, not unless they solve the head-tilt problem (which my LG OLED does BTW).
 
Galvin said:
Cameron more about pushing tech than coming up with a new story line imo.
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vegeta535 said:
I think you got it backwards. I think most the tech crowd is in agreement that 3D is garbage.
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I would argue that 3D movies was a stepping stone to VR expierence we have now. Yeah it's not exactly directly related, but it helps bring that same idea that 3d technology pitched. Tech does agree that 3d is horrible for the consumer, but on the other hand almost all of us are BEGGING for a new experience so things like 3d will keep getting visited over and over again until it becomes a standard.

Remember people argued once that color for film was garbage.
 
Exavior said:
because every theater can afford new projectors which have yet to be made yet, and will replace everything they just purchased in order to play a single movie. All in a two year period no less.
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And they're making massive profits on those projectors they bought when the first Avatar movie came out.
 
I watched infiinty wars in 3d. iw look nice and fancy in te beginnig but then it kinda just faded and you really didnt noticed it. so in the end really north worth the extra price.
it just asier watching ad normalt 2d movie without the husle of wearing extra stuff..
UNtil hologram projection kan delveir the quality of a tv. 3d is going to be dead for me
 
trentchau said:
I would argue that 3D movies was a stepping stone to VR expierence we have now. Yeah it's not exactly directly related, but it helps bring that same idea that 3d technology pitched. Tech does agree that 3d is horrible for the consumer, but on the other hand almost all of us are BEGGING for a new experience so things like 3d will keep getting visited over and over again until it becomes a standard.

Remember people argued once that color for film was garbage.
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Ever since this 3D shit really took off I been going to th movies less. I hate getting stuck in th shitty last run theathers on opening weekend cause the ones with the huge IMAX screen and Atmos sound with recling seats is taken up by the 3D shit. I and other people that wear glasses is uncomfortable. I blurry vision and a headache after an hour. It is something like 25% people out there can't even perceive it h 3D effect. I also get to pay more money fo th privilege too! So yeah 3D can fuck off.
 
vegeta535 said:
Ever since this 3D shit really took off I been going to th movies less. ... I and other people that wear glasses is uncomfortable. I blurry vision and a headache after an hour. It is something like 25% people out there can't even perceive it h 3D effect. I also get to pay more money fo th privilege too!
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3D doesn't work for me. With or without my glasses.
It becomes a blurry mess when there is action on the screen.
Only time it looks good, is when there is little or no movement, then the 3d effect looks great of a couple seconds before turning into a blurry mess again.
3D is completely unwatchable the other 99% of the movie.

I've turned down free tickets to early showings of movies , because they where in 3D.
 
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