These Are the Video Games the White House Played in Its Meeting on Game Violence

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Gotta be some kind of paradox blaming CoD, being that they're almost all based on the actions of the White House in the first place.
 
Blaming video games for violence...well fuck, seems like the [H] liked to bury someone and some people a long time ago for this... and rightly so.
 
jedijeb13 said:
The biggest factor in young people doing things like school shooting comes more from trying to protect them their whole life from disappointments that might hurt their self esteem instead of allowing them to fail and learning how to build self esteem and how to deal with failure in constructive ways. Participation trophies grow weak social skills.
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I work in education, and I see this a lot. There is currently a big push for "Standards Based Grading", which means removing letter and number grades and replacing them with arbitrary phrases that don't indicate any level of accomplishment. This movement came about because someone was worried that getting an F or 0 on a report card could emotionally damage the children.

Spidey329 said:
Well, we also have a dwindling sense of family as a society, it seems. Kids are left to their own devices frequently. Many may argue that it's a symptom of the lack of strong religious teachings (I'm not one of them), but I'd argue that it's a symptom of a society that is increasingly overworked to get by. Other countries work less than us and have higher quality of living. Because of that, they have a better sense of family and spend more quality time together.

In America, you simply can't afford to have a single parent working while the other one raises the kids. Both parents could work 40+ hours and the last thing they want to do when getting home is more work, so they let the media available distract and raise their children. They don't have the psychological energy to say no to a 10year old consistently asking for an M-rated title, and deal with the fallout.

Couple that with such an upbringing may spawn more lackadaisical parenting on the next generation. Until eventually Alexa is seen as mom and creepy uncle Google is literally the creepy uncle.
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Same with this. A lot of parents are not involved in their kid's life. We're moving toward a model where public education is simply daycare for the parents that have to work 80 hours a week. Hell, my income puts me squarely in the middle class for my state, and I can't afford to buy a house.
 
wizdum said:
I work in education, and I see this a lot. There is currently a big push for "Standards Based Grading", which means removing letter and number grades and replacing them with arbitrary phrases that don't indicate any level of accomplishment. This movement came about because someone was worried that getting an F or 0 on a report card could emotionally damage the children.
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Ugh. You have got to be kidding me. The only people that letter grades "emotionally damage" are dumbass parents that get pissy when their "perfect little baby" gets a bad grade because they didn't study.
 
Education... The more days I missed the higher my grades were... It's entertaining when you missed almost an entire marking period, they call your parents in to discuss how it's hurting your grades when it's causing you to go over 4.0, parents calling the school a dumbass and the school mailing an apology letter.
 
Archaea said:
Jaws I can partially understand. It's mainstream. I spit on your grave I'd never heard of, I watched the trailer and then read the synopsis. It has a 30 minute rape scene, hanging, disemboweling, genitals being cut off, etc - - if you saw stuff like that as a kid - It's an absolute miracle if you aren't twisted as an adult. IMO. BTW -- if you like these kinds of movies as an adult - it is my opinion that you are twisted. These types of movies are outlier movies and most people do NOT enjoy them, nor the genre. No Offense.
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I thought that she was an American bad ass personally. I'm not into watching films where a rape occurs, but the hero of the film was awesome in my book. The way I see it a rape occur every 98 seconds. Does avoiding the subject make children safer? In my opinion I'd say that you're actually feeding them to a potential predator when they are away from you if you avoid the subject. Making your kids dumb for their personal safety isn't a good decision. Not saying that you would but I know people that have done just that. Hell we weren't allowed to accept a piece of candy from a fellow worshiper at church as we were required to get permission from our parents first. Did I always follow their directions when I got old enough to know better? No, but that was on me. I can say that they surely taught me the right way of doing things so if I messed up it was 100% my darn fault.

So my parents told us how to run, escape if caught, who to contact first if we escape, how to scream bloody murder, fight, spit, gouge, etc. I was taught around 7 or 8 years old when my dad taught me how to shoot a shotgun to protect my mom if someone broke into the house and tried to attack her. I was taught to fight to the death for my mom and sisters. If they don't make it, you sure as hell better be with them to the bitter end.

Like I said in my post I was required to hide my head during the sex scenes in all movies. When Conan the Barbarian was chopping off heads, wrestling a snake, etc; my eyes were glued to the screen. When he was making out my eyes were glued to the pillow. I actually got angry when movies had too many lubby dubby scenes in them. ;) I guess that's why I love the first Mad Max so much.

I have zero issues with being around other people. I have no issues with violent video games. I'm still scared by jump scare movies like Jaws even though I know it's coming. I only partake of the jump scare genre of movies and video games when I'm around others. Oddly enough I'm very happy comfortable outdoors without moonlight or flashlight. Gore films do nothing for me as who wants to look at what amounts to a bad car accident? I'm not revolted by the genre; just bored with the silliness. Maybe if they had a great story I would care more for them?

Personally I think the nightly news and newspapers should be more graphic. It might make people think before they do something stupid. Also nudity doesn't bother me. Again I wouldn't want someone nude around kids, but if there was an adult area it would be up to them.
 
GotNoRice said:
Most movies are R-rated because there was a brief exposed tit, someone got shot in the shoulder, or someone said a few cuss-words (but not nearly as many cuss-words as those 11/12 year olds are already saying at school every day). Who gives a shit? Most of my favorite movies when I was a kid were rated-R. What kind of fucked up parents wouldn't let their kid see a movie like Terminator 2 or Starship Troopers? Those movies were practically made for kids.
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Define 'kid'... I wouldn't let an 11 or 12 year old watch Starship Troopers personally...
 
Spire3660 said:
We need to give up the 'video game' term. We are into full on simulations at this point. We have to give this stuff more adult, clinical terms, like the person who came up with ASMR was very careful about the terms she choose, so it couldn't be trivialized
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Give me a break. No where in the real world does your score go up when you destroy objects or kill enemies... unless that score is how many years getting added onto your prison sentence.
 
CaptNumbNutz said:
Give me a break. No where in the real world does your score go up when you destroy objects or kill enemies... unless that score is how many years getting added onto your prison sentence.
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Some people keep score in their head, though that's less to do with video games and more to do with psychology.
 
CaptNumbNutz said:
Give me a break. No where in the real world does your score go up when you destroy objects or kill enemies... unless that score is how many years getting added onto your prison sentence.
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Install leader boards in prisons, how many charges were accumulated during apprehension.
 
It's not violent video games... If it was, then starting with wolfenstein in the early 90's, should have seem some massive uptick in kid violence. But even with the occasional mass shooting, violence is actually going down according to the fbi's statistics.

There is some measurable increase in aggression, however IMHO they are mis-characterizing it.. That is the only thing any study has found. This is the occasional trash talk outburst across the room at you friends. Its part of the competitive component of human nature. It comes out when you cheer for your favorite football team, your country at the olympics, when you are playing doom with friends. Competition is a part of the human psyche, if they some insane bullshit like banning violent video games, the "aggression" will just find some other outlet... possibly something with actual violence, like fistfights in high school. Something really common say back in the 50's, "boys being boys" but less prevalent in this day.

This is a quick 4 minute story about this meeting the president had on video games, he seems like the most sane person to take about violence in video games: https://www.npr.org/2018/03/08/5920...ys-about-video-games-and-violence-in-children
 
What about the crap that is on prime time TV these days? Not just the shows but the advertisements. It's nuts, can't barely have the kids in the room with the TV on past dinner time. Lot of news / 20/20 type of shows advertisements with violence even when you are watching a PG show.

As much as I hate to say it, I think the Internet in general is the bigger problem here. I'm no psychologist here but lots of people leave their conscience at the door when on the Internet. And when the Internet consumes most of their life they think they can do shit that in real life would be unacceptable.

Just last night was playing a game with, presumably, some kid acting like a jackass, name was urfukt or something like that. I told him to learn some respect and he said "this is the internet". That attitude is the problem, it carries forward to the real world.
 
nomu said:
I honestly don't see why it even matters whether parents have any interest in what their kids play.

Where is the evidence that parental involvement has any effect?
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It has to have some effect but obviously there will always be parents that don't give a rip. The parents should be charged with crimes if their kid is at the point where he is stockpiling weapons and killing people and they did nothing about it.
 
focbde said:
That's precisely the issue. Those same parents likely wouldn't let their 11/12 year old go and watch an R-rated horror movie (although I know some would, sadly), so why do they ignore the ratings on games?
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Yanno, when our kids were that age, we didn't have much trouble with that, mainly because we taught them early on that TV, movies, and video games aren't reality, and to never use their examples in real life.
 
Bigbacon said:
yet how many people play them and haven't gone on a murderous rampage?

just another one of those we can't have nice things because of a single ass hat. It isn't the games, its society itself that has changed.
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Most of the legit studies show that kids that play violent games are actually less violent IRL, b/c they burn out most of the rage and anger in the games.
 
fightingfi said:
If its not bloody or gutty i dont play it thats why its a VIDEO GAME..........................................Been playing games since i was about 9 and i'll be 48 in May of this yr I turned out just fine tyvm
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Hey, how's that padded room working out for ya? :ROFLMAO: j/k
 
Spidey329 said:
Well, we also have a dwindling sense of family as a society, it seems. Kids are left to their own devices frequently. Many may argue that it's a symptom of the lack of strong religious teachings (I'm not one of them), but I'd argue that it's a symptom of a society that is increasingly overworked to get by. Other countries work less than us and have higher quality of living. Because of that, they have a better sense of family and spend more quality time together.

In America, you simply can't afford to have a single parent working while the other one raises the kids. Both parents could work 40+ hours and the last thing they want to do when getting home is more work, so they let the media available distract and raise their children. They don't have the psychological energy to say no to a 10year old consistently asking for an M-rated title, and deal with the fallout.

Couple that with such an upbringing may spawn more lackadaisical parenting on the next generation. Until eventually Alexa is seen as mom and creepy uncle Google is literally the creepy uncle.
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Honestly I know several families who have a single parent working while the other stays home with the kids. These people only make maybe $50k per year but they live quite well. On the other hand, they don't feel they need a 3000sqft house, a 70inch tv in every room, 4-wheelers for every member of the family(or jet skis if they live near water) or a $50k car for both parents to drive and for each kid of driving age. They live modest lives with a lot of family interaction and are happy. The ones I know who both parents work themselves to death to have all the bells and whistles of live are the ones who think they must compete with everyone else around them simply because they want to appear better or equal to all the others doing it, even the ones who may make five times as much in salary, just because advertisements and social media say that is how they should live.

People can live happily within their means if they ignore the pressures from society telling them what they "need" to be happy.
 
I honestly don't see the difference between playing a game where you shoot people in the face, and watching a movie / television show where said activity is the main draw. The would literally have to censor out all American entertainment to reach this agenda. I think it's a scary proposition that people in the highest seats of power want to take away our freedom of expression and personal hobbies that literally don't hurt anyone. If they would rather have kids acting out violent behaviors instead of finding a safe, alternate outlet for these NATURAL human emotions: jealousy, rage, anger, joy, satisfaction, ect, than just ban violent video games and watch the statistics go apeshit apocolyptic. I can remember being in middleschool and just listening to a good punk rock or hardcore song had me wanting to punch my fist and jump around, and that was on the schoolbus at 7am with headphones on in the middle of winter. For a lot of kids out there videogames may be the only way they can actually communicate and reach out to other humans. Not everyone is comfortable in forced social settings like school, and it can be a nightmare for them. The anonymity of online gaming, and breaking down the barriers of class, gender, and stereotypes enables a LOT of individuals to find common ground an interact with other humans in a way that would never be possible for them in a place like school. We all want to criminalize individuals that struggle with these human traits that most of us take for granted, and banning the games that can make them feel better as a part of society is not a solution for unrelated school shootings. Besides, looking at all the statistics of individuals that play violent videogames that have not gone on to use guns or other weapons in a violent public fashion should actually show that the games do the opposite of enabling such outbursts by channeling those emotions into a more conducive landscape.
 
Bigbacon said:
yet how many people play them and haven't gone on a murderous rampage?

just another one of those we can't have nice things because of a single ass hat. It isn't the games, its society itself that has changed.
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I'm quite certain that a substantial number of people haven't gone postal yet simply BECAUSE they have the outlet of smacking someone upside the head in a video game.
 
oldmanbal said:
I honestly don't see the difference between playing a game where you shoot people in the face, and watching a movie / television show where said activity is the main draw. The would literally have to censor out all American entertainment to reach this agenda. I think it's a scary proposition that people in the highest seats of power want to take away our freedom of expression and personal hobbies that literally don't hurt anyone. If they would rather have kids acting out violent behaviors instead of finding a safe, alternate outlet for these NATURAL human emotions: jealousy, rage, anger, joy, satisfaction, ect, than just ban violent video games and watch the statistics go apeshit apocolyptic. I can remember being in middleschool and just listening to a good punk rock or hardcore song had me wanting to punch my fist and jump around, and that was on the schoolbus at 7am with headphones on in the middle of winter. For a lot of kids out there videogames may be the only way they can actually communicate and reach out to other humans. Not everyone is comfortable in forced social settings like school, and it can be a nightmare for them. The anonymity of online gaming, and breaking down the barriers of class, gender, and stereotypes enables a LOT of individuals to find common ground an interact with other humans in a way that would never be possible for them in a place like school. We all want to criminalize individuals that struggle with these human traits that most of us take for granted, and banning the games that can make them feel better as a part of society is not a solution for unrelated school shootings. Besides, looking at all the statistics of individuals that play violent videogames that have not gone on to use guns or other weapons in a violent public fashion should actually show that the games do the opposite of enabling such outbursts by channeling those emotions into a more conducive landscape.
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If being able to blow of steam while playing a video game is what keeps kids from going crazy and being violent, what kept us from doing that back in 1970 or before?

I was about ten years old when the Atari 2600 came out and the video games consisted of Asteroids and Pac Man. They were diversions but not something to act out aggression with. One thing we were taught then though that seems to be lacking now, is our responsibility to others and society in general instead of only thinking of ourselves. School curriculum and media push hard to teach kids that only their feelings matter, only their success matter, not the feeling and success of others and the world as a whole. Everyone can't be number one, a selfish society is doomed to fall, a selfless society would be stronger than all others because all are pulling together as one.
 
jedijeb13 said:
Honestly I know several families who have a single parent working while the other stays home with the kids. These people only make maybe $50k per year but they live quite well. On the other hand, they don't feel they need a 3000sqft house, a 70inch tv in every room, 4-wheelers for every member of the family(or jet skis if they live near water) or a $50k car for both parents to drive and for each kid of driving age. They live modest lives with a lot of family interaction and are happy. The ones I know who both parents work themselves to death to have all the bells and whistles of live are the ones who think they must compete with everyone else around them simply because they want to appear better or equal to all the others doing it, even the ones who may make five times as much in salary, just because advertisements and social media say that is how they should live.

People can live happily within their means if they ignore the pressures from society telling them what they "need" to be happy.
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A household income, not individual, of $50k /yr puts a family $14k above the lower bound for "Middle Class" here. So i'd hope they could "live quite well". Most families with two working parents take home less than $36k here.
 
jedijeb13 said:
If being able to blow of steam while playing a video game is what keeps kids from going crazy and being violent, what kept us from doing that back in 1970 or before?

I was about ten years old when the Atari 2600 came out and the video games consisted of Asteroids and Pac Man. They were diversions but not something to act out aggression with. One thing we were taught then though that seems to be lacking now, is our responsibility to others and society in general instead of only thinking of ourselves. School curriculum and media push hard to teach kids that only their feelings matter, only their success matter, not the feeling and success of others and the world as a whole. Everyone can't be number one, a selfish society is doomed to fall, a selfless society would be stronger than all others because all are pulling together as one.
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Penthouse.
 
jedijeb13 said:
If being able to blow of steam while playing a video game is what keeps kids from going crazy and being violent, what kept us from doing that back in 1970 or before?

I was about ten years old when the Atari 2600 came out and the video games consisted of Asteroids and Pac Man. They were diversions but not something to act out aggression with. One thing we were taught then though that seems to be lacking now, is our responsibility to others and society in general instead of only thinking of ourselves. School curriculum and media push hard to teach kids that only their feelings matter, only their success matter, not the feeling and success of others and the world as a whole. Everyone can't be number one, a selfish society is doomed to fall, a selfless society would be stronger than all others because all are pulling together as one.
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Well, back in the day, you were actually able to go out and have fun before you were an adult...ya know, ride bikes, get in fights (without killing someone), play football or pull pranks. You can still do that today, but there are a lot more restrictions, and the repercussions for violating them tend to be less harsh (at least it seems that way publicly). Rules are made to be broken, after all.
 
wizdum said:
A household income, not individual, of $50k /yr puts a family $14k above the lower bound for "Middle Class" here. So i'd hope they could "live quite well". Most families with two working parents take home less than $36k here.
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I doubt "most" fall into that category, but even if they do what are your costs of living? When I was 19 I bought my first house, cash out at 18 grand, truck for 5 grand and was able to buy myself plenty of fun toys on an approx 18k a year job. Yea, it's a small house. Yea it was an older truck. But my month to month bills, including food, was like 800 tops a month depending on what I chose to eat. It's totally doable, if people accept their means and live within them. If you live in a place where people combined are working 2 full time jobs and bringing home less than 36k then the cost of living is lower so it balances out. Hell my girfiend's income at the time was all just spending cash, that and her college costs but the bills were all me so we lived it large, larger than we should have, and still never went into debt.

Or better yet, if they combined are only making 36k then perhaps they shouldn't have been idiots and had a kid (or multiple kids). Didn't have a kid until I was financially ready, it's really not that hard, am I supposed to feel bad for them for their stupid choices? Odds are pretty high if they are under 36k as a house they are already getting tax payer assistance anyways.

SO many people seem to confuse wants with needs...
 
SixFootDuo said:
This is just a distraction to all those students being murdered, RIP, but ... that's all. Throw up some violent video game footage, have a press release, maybe a QnA, mission accomplished. American public distracted.
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You don't think there's a correlation? Not necessarily just from video games, but violent media of all types in America?
 
Vaulter98c said:
I doubt "most" fall into that category, but even if they do what are your costs of living? When I was 19 I bought my first house, cash out at 18 grand, truck for 5 grand and was able to buy myself plenty of fun toys on an approx 18k a year job. Yea, it's a small house. Yea it was an older truck. But my month to month bills, including food, was like 800 tops a month depending on what I chose to eat. It's totally doable, if people accept their means and live within them. If you live in a place where people combined are working 2 full time jobs and bringing home less than 36k then the cost of living is lower so it balances out. Hell my girfiend's income at the time was all just spending cash, that and her college costs but the bills were all me so we lived it large, larger than we should have, and still never went into debt.

Or better yet, if they combined are only making 36k then perhaps they shouldn't have been idiots and had a kid (or multiple kids). Didn't have a kid until I was financially ready, it's really not that hard, am I supposed to feel bad for them for their stupid choices? Odds are pretty high if they are under 36k as a house they are already getting tax payer assistance anyways.

SO many people seem to confuse wants with needs...
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I don't know when or where you bought your house, but they cost a bit more than $18,000 now a days. $18k will get you an 8 year old truck, if you're lucky. $50k a year with no other liabilities qualifies you for about $150k worth of house.

Anyway, the comment I replied to was about how proud this person was that a middle class family was able to afford a house. This should not have been surprising in any way.
 
Verge said:
You don't think there's a correlation? Not necessarily just from video games, but violent media of all types in America?
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If it was then this wouldn't be a problem unique to the United States. There is absolutely zero credible, scientifically sound, evidence that links violent media to violent crime. The crime rate has also dropped drastically since the 70s and 80s, among both adults and juveniles. So, no, there is no correlation between them. People really need to stop pretending that this is something with a simple explanation or a simple solution.
 
Just sold it in December for 32k, and that's after putting in like 15/20k worth of improvements over the 9 years I lived there, all new nice windows, brand new roof, full re-wire and replumb, added 2 more finished rooms in the basement, etc. Neighbors sold theirs for 28 and 35 since June as well. So yea, it can very easily be done.

As for the truck, just bought a 1 year old Ram 1500 quad cab 4x4 for 21k so yea.... Just made my 12th payment on the 5th so exactly 1 year ago (give or take a week). And a combined income between my wife and I of about 65k got us approved all the way up to abot 270k through Chase when I got my new house back in Halloween 2016, though I'm not an idiot and we only got a 130k house with 30 grand down.

The point is yea, it's very possible if people focus on needs and not getting a bunch of toys, but I doubt, even more so now, that in your area "most" dual full time families are making under 36k, if that was the case all those prices you listed off wouldn't be sustainable in that area. That's why I replied, because even poor people can make it if they stop making excuses. Shit, I've got a disabled buddy who lives in a house that no shit sold for 4 grand less than 2 years ago. It's a dump and in a crappy neighborhood about 5 feet (literally) from a drive through, but it's a roof over his kid's heads and keeps them dry in the rain.

The point is income level is a poor excuse to use for just about any argument, the problem lies with the people who refuse to find a way and keep blaming other people's status for their issues. Sure there are always going to be a few examples and that's what public assistance is actually for. But people blaming income differences is about as dumb as blaming the NRA for school shootings or blaming the Mexican guy down the road for illegals killing people in Cali. It's a way to shift the blame to another party, just like saying video games are the problem. Just about every shooter I can think of was better off than almost 95% of the farm town I grew up in, and there has been income gaps since time itself so it's obviously not the problem.
 
I was watching R rated films from the age of 5 and playing doom / wolfenstein since 7-8? I will say Violence on tv in a good drama hits me much harder then anything i see in a video game. After all video games tend to look cartoonish compared to an episode of walking dead or game of thrones.

My two cents, there is less family structure in homes because people have to work 3 jobs just to be broke. My wife and I have 120k in student debt. We had unplanned children, day care costs more then she can make at an entry level job -- so she never got a career. Then we have a house payment, car payments, insurance, gas, groceries, etc It adds up so fast. I leave for work at 7am and i often dont get home until 7pm -- so i am not really part of my kids lives except on weekends.
 
Got my 821sqft 2bed 1bath house for just shy of 70k on 0.1 acre. There were trailers and houses going for 25-30k, but the houses were in "poor" condition, and getting a VA loan for a trailer is...impossible, and difficult for manufactured homes. I can manage the payments on a 30yr loan at under 450/mo with my income just over $20k/yr, but a 15yr loan would be too short. If I had car and loan payments it'd be very difficult. Oh, my employer insurance is really cheap, so that helps a bit.
 
jedijeb13 said:
Honestly I know several families who have a single parent working while the other stays home with the kids. These people only make maybe $50k per year but they live quite well. On the other hand, they don't feel they need a 3000sqft house, a 70inch tv in every room, 4-wheelers for every member of the family(or jet skis if they live near water) or a $50k car for both parents to drive and for each kid of driving age. They live modest lives with a lot of family interaction and are happy. The ones I know who both parents work themselves to death to have all the bells and whistles of live are the ones who think they must compete with everyone else around them simply because they want to appear better or equal to all the others doing it, even the ones who may make five times as much in salary, just because advertisements and social media say that is how they should live.

People can live happily within their means if they ignore the pressures from society telling them what they "need" to be happy.
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#ThisShitRightHere
 
oldmanbal said:
I honestly don't see the difference between playing a game where you shoot people in the face, and watching a movie / television show where said activity is the main draw. The would literally have to censor out all American entertainment to reach this agenda. I think it's a scary proposition that people in the highest seats of power want to take away our freedom of expression and personal hobbies that literally don't hurt anyone. If they would rather have kids acting out violent behaviors instead of finding a safe, alternate outlet for these NATURAL human emotions: jealousy, rage, anger, joy, satisfaction, ect, than just ban violent video games and watch the statistics go apeshit apocolyptic. I can remember being in middleschool and just listening to a good punk rock or hardcore song had me wanting to punch my fist and jump around, and that was on the schoolbus at 7am with headphones on in the middle of winter. For a lot of kids out there videogames may be the only way they can actually communicate and reach out to other humans. Not everyone is comfortable in forced social settings like school, and it can be a nightmare for them. The anonymity of online gaming, and breaking down the barriers of class, gender, and stereotypes enables a LOT of individuals to find common ground an interact with other humans in a way that would never be possible for them in a place like school. We all want to criminalize individuals that struggle with these human traits that most of us take for granted, and banning the games that can make them feel better as a part of society is not a solution for unrelated school shootings. Besides, looking at all the statistics of individuals that play violent videogames that have not gone on to use guns or other weapons in a violent public fashion should actually show that the games do the opposite of enabling such outbursts by channeling those emotions into a more conducive landscape.
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As Xander Cage once said, "Don't take away our video games, Dick! They're the only education we got!"
 
Verge said:
You don't think there's a correlation? Not necessarily just from video games, but violent media of all types in America?
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I think it's religion and the nutbag right wing that are driving most of the anger, a HUGE majority of these massacres were committed by #WhiteSupremacistTerrorists, who seem the angriest of all because People Of Color.
 
Derangel said:
If it was then this wouldn't be a problem unique to the United States. There is absolutely zero credible, scientifically sound, evidence that links violent media to violent crime. The crime rate has also dropped drastically since the 70s and 80s, among both adults and juveniles. So, no, there is no correlation between them. People really need to stop pretending that this is something with a simple explanation or a simple solution.
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Except there is a simple answer: that terrorist organization the NRA. They and the RepubliKKKlan party keep pushing these angry white men into their rages and shootings.
 
Vaulter98c said:
Just sold it in December for 32k, and that's after putting in like 15/20k worth of improvements over the 9 years I lived there, all new nice windows, brand new roof, full re-wire and replumb, added 2 more finished rooms in the basement, etc. Neighbors sold theirs for 28 and 35 since June as well. So yea, it can very easily be done.
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Where the fuck do you live, backwoods Wyoming or the Dakotas? Or didja buy a mobile home?

Anyplace with actual jobs usually means urban centers and their 'Burbs, meaning getting decent housing for under 150-200k is impossible.

Then blaming people for struggling on their "lack of self-control" is just shitty on your part. Sometimes "those people" don't have any choice but to go into debt to provide for their families--cancer, illness, long-term issues like autism or retardation are massive cash-suckers--and, unless you advocate euthanasia for such people, you have ZERO place judging them. Period.
 
buttons said:
I was watching R rated films from the age of 5 and playing doom / wolfenstein since 7-8? I will say Violence on tv in a good drama hits me much harder then anything i see in a video game. After all video games tend to look cartoonish compared to an episode of walking dead or game of thrones.

My two cents, there is less family structure in homes because people have to work 3 jobs just to be broke. My wife and I have 120k in student debt. We had unplanned children, day care costs more then she can make at an entry level job -- so she never got a career. Then we have a house payment, car payments, insurance, gas, groceries, etc It adds up so fast. I leave for work at 7am and i often dont get home until 7pm -- so i am not really part of my kids lives except on weekends.
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This is the reality for 90% of American families. I was in your shoes when we were raising our kids. We made it, but it took loads of self-sacrifice to make it work.
 
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