No Office 2019 Without Windows 10

ChoGGi said:
Win8/8.1 is good till 2023 :)
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That's hilarious. Put in a current amd or intel cpu and see how long it's supported for, you get the big upgrade thug message. They ended win8 support last year based on that alone. Thankfully there was a 3rd party fix. :) And yea, I like being able to ignore updates or chose not to install them.

MavericK said:
I don't know why you would use 8/8.1 over 10 but, to each his own I guess. :p
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The question should be why are you using win 10 over win 8? Thought there were enthusiasts here, not take it in the arse I've given up and am thankful for your scraps.
 
Meeho said:
Just like you've never not coupled a forum post with blind Microsoft worship. A paycheck probably helps with that.
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Every complex piece of technology has it set of issues. There is a lot of functionality in Office and no one uses it all but there are specific things I use all the time that simply don't have ready alternatives. I'm a huge OneNote user and there are plenty of people who are in no way shape Microsoft paid shills that love OneNote.

Most people in a place like this use what they use because it works for them and have looked at alternatives. It's nothing to do with any kind of supposed paycheck. I wish it did cause this shit is getting expensive.
 
Grimlaking said:
Meeho calm down. All they said is they arn't putting an old windows on new hardware. Makes sense to me. Would you run Redhat 2 on an current gen i7? Same freaking logic. Yeesh.
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I'm not going to go out and spend thousands of dollars on new hardware and then put an obsolete OS on it as a host. I never have done that.
 
Grimlaking said:
Meeho calm down. All they said is they arn't putting an old windows on new hardware. Makes sense to me. Would you run Redhat 2 on an current gen i7? Same freaking logic. Yeesh.
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PR people say all sorts of things.

It makes more sense to me to put the best OS for me on the new hardware, not the youngest one.

Windows 7 = Windows 95? That's some logic. Also, there's the tiny difference that Red Hat as a rule improves with each version.
 
jfreund said:
Office 2003 was the last good version. They ruined it with that "ribbon" bullshit.
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Rubbish..the ribbon was bar none one of the best productivity improvements to ever hit office. I was die hard 2003 for years, actually I skipped 2007. However 2010 made a believer out of me and my overall efficiency in office went way up once I learned the ribbon and how much faster it makes things. That said, 2010 was also the last good version..everything past that has been chock full of MEH.
 
Meeho said:
PR people say all sorts of things.

It makes more sense to me to put the best OS for me on the new hardware, not the youngest one.

Windows 7 = Windows 95? That's some logic. Also, there's the tiny difference that Red Hat as a rule improves with each version.
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Windows 7 is certainly not the best OS for new 2 in 1 devices. You may not care for such devices but Windows 10 is far more capable on new 2 in 1. When it comes to my sig rig where running any modern game or other software and any future hardware was the point, what is better than Windows 10?

You think people are getting paid or some other nonsense when in fact they've spent many thousands on their hardware and software and simply want something that supports what they need and want. The cost of Windows and Office is irrelevant to me versus the cost of everything else.
 
I can use open source office for personal use no problem, however, I absolutely have to have Excel for work projects because open source doesn't come close to the productivity of Excel.
 
Well as long as we are confessing, the only MS Office product I still use is Visio 2000. I'm familiar with it, it just works. I use both LibreOffice and OpenOffice for documenting and writing. I'm sure not going to do anything needing the "cloud." And until Windows 10 stops slowing down my internet and wasting data and thinking it knows more about how to use my computer than I do, I'm not switching to it

Edit: I should say I have nothing against Officer per say (I even didn't mind clippy too much), I'm just cheap.
 
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Dekoth-E- said:
Rubbish..the ribbon was bar none one of the best productivity improvements to ever hit office. I was die hard 2003 for years, actually I skipped 2007. However 2010 made a believer out of me and my overall efficiency in office went way up once I learned the ribbon and how much faster it makes things. That said, 2010 was also the last good version..everything past that has been chock full of MEH.
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The ribbon is 12 years old now and has been in 4 major versions of Office. I could get that the "ribbon sucks" if no one were still using Office and that the Office business had collapsed but Office seems to be doing better than ever. Microsoft makes plenty of mistakes but it simply hasn't made the same level of mistakes with Office that it has with Windows and while some don't like the ribbon in Office, after this much time with O365 constantly making more money, with some Office apps having native Android and iOS clients and the web, I just don't know if there's really much input on this subject that Microsoft could logically digest.
 
Meeho said:
PR people say all sorts of things.

It makes more sense to me to put the best OS for me on the new hardware, not the youngest one.

Windows 7 = Windows 95? That's some logic. Also, there's the tiny difference that Red Hat as a rule improves with each version.
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Yea because gee great I've installed new hardware and video card. Let me put an OS on that doesn't have a direct x version that is the most current for games I might enjoy... naaa lets be obstinate and claim there are no new features for my use case.. I know I know you don't play computer games.
 
Grimlaking said:
Yea because gee great I've installed new hardware and video card. Let me put an OS on that doesn't have a direct x version that is the most current for games I might enjoy... naaa lets be obstinate and claim there are no new features for my use case.. I know I know you don't play computer games.
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So here's the thing, how many Windows 7 folks are running high-DPI displays? You really think people can just say fuck Windows 10 and install Windows 7 on a 200+ DPI display and all will be just fine, or at least no worse than Windows 10 for something as basic as a clean and crisp display? I get sick and tired of people who think someone like me is getting paid when the reality is that I simply want the features and capabilities I paid for to at least sort of work.
 
King of Heroes said:
I mostly use Google Docs nowadays. I keep Office around mainly for .doc and .docx files that get sent to me.
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At work, we're forced to use Office because one of our major reporting applications is in bed with Microsoft and, it only works on Office 2013 or greater. For personal, and our small businesses, we use Google Docs and Sheets exclusively. Once you start digging into scripts and such, it's amazing how powerful Google Docs and Sheetd can be.
 
No problems at all with Office 365 and I do like the Ribbon much better - you just have to know how to use it and customize it.

We also create templates (advanced) for clients as part of our design services with Word / Powerpoint / Excel and it has become easier than ever.

My only complaint with Office is the horrible HTML support in Word and the fact that new Outlook uses Word to render emails. This sucks and needs coding workarounds for HTML newsletters and HTML signatures. But Microsoft is aware of it and a fix will come...I am waiting.
 
Meh. I even have windows 10 and still can't give a fuck. Between Libre Office and Google Docs, just about everything I need is covered by free software with the advantage of creating documents being portable to other platforms...including ms office.
 
the more MS screws with "established standards" and equally reduces customer choice/configuration... the more people will not upgrade or switch...

Where I work we have corporate application pushed out and made available via the startmenu with uses subfolders. Windows10 has FLATTENED this because "FSCK YOU!" with the company slowly deploying win10 due to support of win7 ending they are now having to also deploy a classic10 application because of this asshattery. It is easier/quicker to deploy a secondary application then it is to rewrite, approve ... updated proceedures

This one is relatively minor but Microsoft continually shows they cannot be relied upon
 
odditory said:
How about no telemetry, forced updates, or bi-annual full reinstalls that reset settings, uninstall programs and revert default programs back to MS defaults (Edge, etc) - all without adding any actual new features most users would find meaningful or useful?

Other than DX12 - which has been a nonstarter and game developers are ignoring it - what else does 10 really add beyond a bunch of shoddy, mobile-centric app store bloat and Candy Crush, that's compelling enough not to stay on 8.1 or even 7 until MS gives users a better reason?

What amazing, must-have feature in 10 are users missing?
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heatlesssun said:
So here's the thing, how many Windows 7 folks are running high-DPI displays? You really think people can just say fuck Windows 10 and install Windows 7 on a 200+ DPI display and all will be just fine, or at least no worse than Windows 10 for something as basic as a clean and crisp display? I get sick and tired of people who think someone like me is getting paid when the reality is that I simply want the features and capabilities I paid for to at least sort of work.
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Okay, you beat me to it. DPI scaling is something Windows 10 does better. I would say some VR stuff also. The thing is, there are small reasons to use Windows 10, more of which will probably increase over time. It's at what cost is the big issue.
 
heatlesssun said:
Windows 7 is certainly not the best OS for new 2 in 1 devices. You may not care for such devices but Windows 10 is far more capable on new 2 in 1.
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The market showed that relatively no one cares for them.

Grimlaking said:
Yea because gee great I've installed new hardware and video card. Let me put an OS on that doesn't have a direct x version that is the most current for games I might enjoy... naaa lets be obstinate and claim there are no new features for my use case.. I know I know you don't play computer games.
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I do, just not the 0.0001% that are DX12 only. Oh, my, how will I ever get by without those.
 
Meeho said:
The market showed that relatively no one cares for them.


I do, just not the 0.0001% that are DX12 only. Oh, my, how will I ever get by without those.
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I think at this point literally the only DX12-only games are ones published by Microsoft itself. It's the new DirectX 10. How many DX10-only games were there. 3?
 
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I hate change, back in the day nothing changed. rarrarararar

If you don't want to upgrade don't, but good luck with security and compatibility.
That was one thing that bothered me the most when I lived in China, people running XP and old versions of office.
It took a bit of time to get used to the ribbon system but i like it much better now.
PPT and Excel are also improve. I don't use the rest of the suit.

If you don't want to use windows 10 you may as well move to linux or osx
 
heatlesssun said:
So here's the thing, how many Windows 7 folks are running high-DPI displays?
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How many run them at all? A fraction of a fraction of users. Yes, there are fringe use cases where one HAS to run Windows AND needs a Win10 only feature. Guess what, those are very, very rare.

You had to resort to 2in1 devices and now it's high dpi displays. You're grasping at straws to make Win10 relevant.
 
silk186 said:
I hate change, back in the day nothing changed. rarrarararar

If you don't want to upgrade don't, but good luck with security and compatibility.
That was one thing that bothered me the most when I lived in China, people running XP and old versions of office.
It took a bit of time to get used to the ribbon system but i like it much better now.
PPT and Excel are also improve. I don't use the rest of the suit.

If you don't want to use windows 10 you may as well move to linux or osx
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I've always upgraded since the WfW 3.11 days. One indeed might as well move to Linux or OSX, or, just stick with Windows and keep running Win7 just fine.
 
Office 2013 is the best version (2016 has some nasty bugs and slight design changes I dislike so chose to stay with 2013 at work). I'm kind of suprised that 2019 will even surface, I was like sure that offline versions would all be slowly going non-existent from now on and there would be cloud-only O365 version from now on.
 
tetris42 said:
Okay, you beat me to it. DPI scaling is something Windows 10 does better. I would say some VR stuff also. The thing is, there are small reasons to use Windows 10, more of which will probably increase over time. It's at what cost is the big issue.
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DPI scaling is a small thing when you don't have high-DPI screens, then it becomes a very big deal.
 
Meeho said:
How many run them at all? A fraction of a fraction of users. Yes, there are fringe use cases where one HAS to run Windows AND needs a Win10 only feature. Guess what, those are very, very rare.

You had to resort to 2in1 devices and now it's high dpi displays. You're grasping at straws to make Win10 relevant.
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If someone doesn't like or want or need Windows 10 so be it. But it's silly to say that Windows 10 is nothing more than spyware/bloatware that does nothing better than Windows 7. 2 in 1s are far from rare these days, they are very much mainstream devices now and seem to be popular given just how many are on the market now. And high-DPI displays are becoming ever more common.
 
I will say one thing, the Windows 10 Telemetry when in Full Mode is quite scary; the amount of data and what it collects is quite damning. I've seen stuff in it that completely blew my mind. How do I know this? I used that new app in the Fast Ring builds to see what the telemetry data contains, yeah... it was scary as all hell. But, when you back it down to Basic Mode the amount of and what data it collects is drastically reduced and I do mean drastically. I've looked over what Basic Mode collects and there's absolutely nothing in the data set that is alarming but Full Mode... Jesus Christ!!! If you have any care for your privacy, even a little bit, you should be running (not walking) to the settings to turn that setting to Basic Mode right now. Don't pass Go, don't collect $200, just switch that bitch to Basic Mode!!!
 
Back in the day, I used stacks of floppies to load WordPerfect. Great program. The code at the bottom which let you see hidden document attributes was the single best feature.

I kept up with it and even used Dragon Natural Speak (whatever it was called) to dictate emails to friends and family. Yeah. Big fun.

Then...WordPerfect jacked their prices up. Way up. Then I went to...

MSWord. I've been using it for ~10-12 years. I've got different versions running on different machines. It's getting to be a pain in the ass to keep updated. C'mon, change for change's sake?

This is making LibreOffice look better and better and better.
 
Meeho said:
Just like you've never not coupled a forum post with blind Microsoft worship. A paycheck probably helps with that.
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*Sigh* Here we go again. :rolleyes: If it were up to you, we would still be all on Windows XP 32 bit using MS Office 2000 on single core processors and 1GB of, I mean 512MB of ram. :D
 
MV75 said:
That's hilarious. Put in a current amd or intel cpu and see how long it's supported for, you get the big upgrade thug message. They ended win8 support last year based on that alone. Thankfully there was a 3rd party fix. :) And yea, I like being able to ignore updates or chose not to install them.



The question should be why are you using win 10 over win 8? Thought there were enthusiasts here, not take it in the arse I've given up and am thankful for your scraps.
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Ah, I see someone now LOVES Windows 8/8.1 but probably hated it all along before. :D
 
OregonLAN said:
At work, we're forced to use Office because one of our major reporting applications is in bed with Microsoft and, it only works on Office 2013 or greater. For personal, and our small businesses, we use Google Docs and Sheets exclusively. Once you start digging into scripts and such, it's amazing how powerful Google Docs and Sheetd can be.
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Well, as long as you are cool with them having your data, anyways, eh? ;)
 
Meeho said:
The market showed that relatively no one cares for them.


I do, just not the 0.0001% that are DX12 only. Oh, my, how will I ever get by without those.
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Incorrect is incorrect or, haters gone to hate. (Or as I saw in a sig pic once, taters going to tate. ::D )
 
Meeho said:
How many run them at all? A fraction of a fraction of users. Yes, there are fringe use cases where one HAS to run Windows AND needs a Win10 only feature. Guess what, those are very, very rare.

You had to resort to 2in1 devices and now it's high dpi displays. You're grasping at straws to make Win10 relevant.
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There things do not support my point of view and therefore, they are grasping at straws. :D Guess you are not running anything other than 1080p 35 inch displays, got it.
 
ManofGod said:
*Sigh* Here we go again. :rolleyes: If it were up to you, we would still be all on Windows XP 32 bit using MS Office 2000 on single core processors and 1GB of, I mean 512MB of ram. :D
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Eh, at my current cycle of office upgrades, I'm not due for a new release until they do Office 2025.
 
ManofGod said:
There things do not support my point of view and therefore, they are grasping at straws. :D Guess you are not running anything other than 1080p 35 inch displays, got it.
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Real world supports my point of view. Please provide data that shows high-dpi monitor usage. Did it go above 1% yet? Win10 adoptions must be riding that drastic market share wave.

Wait, didn't some report that in 2018. it finally possibly maybe surpassed the prehistoric unusable Win7? Wow, it's so fringe and edgy not to hold Win10 in high regard. I must be a Win7 using hipster or something.
 
We're still getting along fine with Office 2007 at work and same for me at home. ;)
 
Meeho said:
Real world supports my point of view. Please provide data that shows high-dpi monitor usage. Did it go above 1% yet? Win10 adoptions must be riding that drastic market share wave.

Wait, didn't some report that in 2018. it finally possibly maybe surpassed the prehistoric unusable Win7? Wow, it's so fringe and edgy not to hold Win10 in high regard. I must be a Win7 using hipster or something.
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Like no one edits or watches 4k video on PCs or plays games in 4k. You're missing the point in any case. Sure most people don't have the latest and greatest hardware but if one does then it might be nice if the OS and apps they use doesn't wonk out constantly with basic display issues.
 
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