WIRP - Wife Income Replacement Plan

IronMan_74

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Hi all! I've been around HF forever but lost my old account so I had to make a new one :( anyway, i've recently gotten into mining (about 2 months now) and have just been piecing a system together while i've been learning. Mining has also taken off the past few months where it could seriously be in a position that it could replace my wife's income so she would no longer have to work :)

(sorry for the formatting) here is a system i've come up with to build a 6 GPU 1080TI rig. the goal would be to build at least 4 of these and at current mining rates that would gross enough to replace her yearly income. Looking for input on anything to change with these. the biggest ? in my mind is the motherboard, with only doing 6 GPU i don't need a "mining" motherboard, but I also want a motherboard that would be good for mining.

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Item    Quantity    Price    Total    Link
1080 TI GPU    6    $740    $4,440    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137142
Motherboard    1    $115    $115    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130997
PSU    2    $140    $280    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151190
CPU    1    $60    $60    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1K656X8911
RAM    1    $48    $48    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232247
Riser Cards (6 pack)    1    $50    $50    https://smile.amazon.com/EXPLOMOS-Graphics-Extension-Ethereum-Capacitors/dp/B074Z754LT/ref=sr_1_14?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1513486343&sr=1-14&keywords=mining+motherboard
SSD    1    $38    $38    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9TS3JW7443
Case    1    $35    $35    N/A
Fans    3    $13    $39    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106224
               
Total            $5,105

note: i am just doing research and planning right now, it will probably be 6 months to a year before i implement all or part of this plan. while i don't think mining/crypto is going to go anywhere i want to give it some more time since i'm personally new to it to validate the stability of the income coming in since the goal would be for her not to work.

thanks for any input!

EDIT: see my post below where i clarified what i am looking for with my post :)
 
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If you are considering it will be a long term income your probably figuring wrong. This happened in 2011/2012. The bottom dropped out - as it will this time. Enjoy it while it’s hot, but don’t make life altering decisions around a short term mining bubble. Probably safe assumption for 2-3 months at a time. Figure on it being a quick boost to short term income, and if it lasts longer-kudos!

I started mining in late June 2017. I’ve seen profits vary between $8 and $2 per day per 1080ti in this 4-5 months. It’s high at this very moment because the nicehash gang is out of the race but when they come back online this coming week I bet we’ll see profits drop significantly again. (25-50%) When the cards drop to just $2 per day they don’t seem very lucrative.
 
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You're looking at a heavy investment in hardware. If the bottom drops before the hardware is paid off, are you able to absorb that?

Also - many of those mining-friendly GPUs are 'Limit 1 per customer' at most retailers. Make sure you are actually able to source all of the hardware that you have your eye on.
 
...it will probably be 6 months to a year before i implement all or part of this plan.

Then don't bother even pricing anything out now. Literally everything about mining will have changed by then.
 
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your build is horrific and 6months to 1 year??!?!?!?! mining may be far from profitable then as a massive amount of cards have to find there way from ethereum to other coins when ethereum switches to pos. when it comes to mining, you HAVE to either wait for STUPID good deals or buy like yesterday :p

I buy gear with between a 1month and 3 month ROI but ive been mining for a long time and know exactly what to buy. anything over 6 month roi is a nogo. and be very concerned about resale value of hardware at this point because it may get bloddy when ethereum goes to pos. everything you listed will be a dime a dozen when that happenes.

I can help out abit on the part list but please know its really not worth planning 6 months ahead.
 
first i want to say thanks to every for the replies and advice, i really appreciate it! secondly i want to apologize as i wasn't clear with my thought process in the OP. sometimes i'm not the best with translating what i am thinking into written words :/

what i failed to convey was that while yes my pipe dream/long term goal would be to replace my wife's income so she doesn't have to work (she has been a special ed teacher for K-2 for the past 13 years, mainly dealing with behaviors, and its starting to wear on her, hence the desire to find something to replace her income so she doesn't have to work). i will only proceed with that plan if the long term viability of mining income is solid. in another 2.5 years i'll have some restricted stock units from my work that will vest and should hopefully be worth about the $20k i would need to do this.

at a minimum i will continue building mining rigs with what i can get here and there to get some extra $$$ coming in and to keep learning things. my intent with my post was to get advice on my rig i posted that i would build right now in the hypothetical scenario i did this tomorrow. even though i know it will all be outdated by the time i did this learning what people would replace and why will help improve my knowledge of things so if/when i do go ahead and do this i'll be in a better position to get the best hardware possible.

so, if anyone has any thoughts on the build please let me know what you would change about it and why. and/or if you had enough money to build a 6 to 8 GPU rig what would you get?

thanks again! :)
 
first i want to say thanks to every for the replies and advice, i really appreciate it! secondly i want to apologize as i wasn't clear with my thought process in the OP. sometimes i'm not the best with translating what i am thinking into written words :/

what i failed to convey was that while yes my pipe dream/long term goal would be to replace my wife's income so she doesn't have to work (she has been a special ed teacher for K-2 for the past 13 years, mainly dealing with behaviors, and its starting to wear on her, hence the desire to find something to replace her income so she doesn't have to work). i will only proceed with that plan if the long term viability of mining income is solid. in another 2.5 years i'll have some restricted stock units from my work that will vest and should hopefully be worth about the $20k i would need to do this.

at a minimum i will continue building mining rigs with what i can get here and there to get some extra $$$ coming in and to keep learning things. my intent with my post was to get advice on my rig i posted that i would build right now in the hypothetical scenario i did this tomorrow. even though i know it will all be outdated by the time i did this learning what people would replace and why will help improve my knowledge of things so if/when i do go ahead and do this i'll be in a better position to get the best hardware possible.

so, if anyone has any thoughts on the build please let me know what you would change about it and why. and/or if you had enough money to build a 6 to 8 GPU rig what would you get?

thanks again! :)

here is one of the more attainable builds im using right now.

amd sky 900's, s7000's, (900's-$350, s7000's-$120, )

supermicro x8dte (fantastic board will support up to 5 gpus but only one bifurcated lane so it would only run one sky 900 if you took that path. ) board costs $70

cpu -$3 (l5520 or somthing)

ram -$20 (3*4gb ddr3 ecc or somthing)

psu- supermicro 560w server supply - $25 each use as many as your build needs.

ribbon risers $3 each always buy extra

some wood for case $10

fans $20 os more then enough

wd velociraptor for hdd. -$15
 
IronMan_74 Welcome to [H].

Pardon my brethren. In great haste to post the 'status quo' and 'standard disclaimers' to look good, they sort of forgot that you were looking for constructive criticism.

if anyone has any thoughts on the build please let me know what you would change about it and why. and/or if you had enough money to build a 6 to 8 GPU rig what would you get?

Several comments:

Mainboard: I can verify that the Asus H270-Plus Prime works with 8 NVidia GPUs. Not sure about that MSI board. It's never fun having to troubleshoot that kind of stuff.

PSU: I've never been a fan of dual PSUs when you got monsters out there like the LEPA / Rosewill 1600w units that have large 12v rail capacity + tons of pcie connectors to back them up.

SSD: 60GB capacity is barely enough for my Win10 build + virtual memory. Would recommend 120GB.

GPU: 1080 Ti's usually are not hard to get in bulk due to being so expensive, so i think you'll be fine there.

Other than that, you got a money maker here!
 
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or buy 4 560w psu's that are near invencible for less then $100 total...
 
here is one of the more attainable builds im using right now.

amd sky 900's, s7000's, (900's-$350, s7000's-$120, )

supermicro x8dte (fantastic board will support up to 5 gpus but only one bifurcated lane so it would only run one sky 900 if you took that path. ) board costs $70

cpu -$3 (l5520 or somthing)

ram -$20 (3*4gb ddr3 ecc or somthing)

psu- supermicro 560w server supply - $25 each use as many as your build needs.

ribbon risers $3 each always buy extra

some wood for case $10

fans $20 os more then enough

wd velociraptor for hdd. -$15

thanks for the suggestions! i've not heard of some of those, off to do research on them!
 
IronMan_74 Welcome to [H].

Pardon my brethren. In great haste to post the 'status quo' and 'standard disclaimers' to look good, they sort of forgot that you were looking for constructive criticism.



Several comments:

Mainboard: I can verify that the Asus H270-Plus Prime works with 8 NVidia GPUs. Not sure about that MSI board. It's never fun having to troubleshoot that kind of stuff.

PSU: I've never been a fan of dual PSUs when you got monsters out there like the LEPA / Rosewill 1600w units that have large 12v rail capacity + tons of pcie connectors to back them up.

SSD: 60GB capacity is barely enough for my Win10 build + virtual memory. Would recommend 120GB.

GPU: 1080 Ti's usually are not hard to get in bulk due to being so expensive, so i think you'll be fine there.

Other than that, you got a money maker here!

thanks for the welcome and suggestions! on the motherboard, how are you getting 8 GPUs working on that board? Are you using one of those PCIE "Splitters"? Also do you think its a safe assumption that if you find a chipset thats verified to work with mining you would be "safe" getting any motherboard that utilized that chipset? Like the board you recommend uses the H270 chipset and works with 8 GPUs, can i get any board with the H270 chipset and expect the same results?

on the PSU, is there even one out there that could run 8 1080 TIs OK? i'm sure a 1600 watt could do 6 but if i wanted to move up to 8 wouldn't i be forced to go to 2 anyway?

good call on the SSD size, i just looked at the install size of my current mining rig and its using 75 gig, though i'm pretty sure i set the pagefile to 32 gig so thats a big chunk of it.

thanks again for the help!
 
Why buy a 1600 watt power supply when you have to pay $300-$400 for it. When you could buy 2 850 watt PSUs and have more power and more PCI-E, and a longer warranty for half the cost?

https://hardforum.com/threads/evga-supernova-850w-g2-psu-90.1950628/#post-1043383820

thats one thing i need to do the math on, 6 GPU vs 8 GPU rigs. with 6 i can either get 1 large or 2 smallish PSUs to run the cards, but would need more overall rigs to make the total card # goal. 8 GPU rigs would need larger single (might not even be one large enough for 8) or dual large PSUs but less overall rigs so no $$$ spent on extra MB/CPU/RAM/HDD/case.

btw i read your 12 AMD GPU rig thread, that sounded like a nightmare and i can partially relate to it. my current rig i have going has a rx 480, GTX 1060 6gig, and GTX 970. not only was getting the single AMD card up and running a PITA but working with nvidia and amd in the same rig added another layer of complexity that i won't be doing again!

also this is a side bar, but something thats on my mind to figure out as well that you may have some insight on. feel free to PM if you would rather too. based on the rigs you have i'm assuming you bring in a significant amount on a daily/weekly/monthly basis. assuming you are in the USA how are you handling paying taxes on mining income? i know when buying and then selling crypto its based on short/long term capitol gains tax, but is money from mining treated that same way? do you count it as income for taxing, capital gains tax, or both?

thanks!
 
2x 1200 server PSU's. Can get a PSU with breakout board and cables for like $140. So, for $280 you'll have 2400 watts. Plenty to run 8x cards, and then some.
 
I've made a few spreadsheets for ROI/revenue, profit ratio (profit after power costs / power costs) to see what the best options are out there and 570's at $260 or less are the best option. about 3.8 month ROI, everything else is about 4.2 month +, 1080's are pretty poor and 1080ti's are too rich for upfront investment for me so tbh i haven't run the numbers on them.

As far as mining motherboards go I'd go with a d1800 BTC if you can find one in stock, if not the old biostar btc board that uses ddr3. The newer biostar BTC board is a good choice too depending on availability on the former motherboards. I'm not a fan of ddr4 rigs since ddr4 is so expensive.

Power, I'd say stick with name brands and 80+ bronze MINIMUM. That said I've bought those apevia power supplies and they aren't terrible. Its always almost worth it to go multiple PSU's vs 1, and with risers its really easy to keep your power supplies separate. Its important that the PSU you plug into the riser is the same PSU as the one plugged into the card. A good way to get cheap high efficiency power is to get your hands on old server PSU's, you can find pinouts for them online and wire it up yourself, i know there are a couple companies that make boards specifically for this too.

ram wise, 4gb is enough even if ethereum mining, just make sure you make a larger page file, 16GB is what it needs for multi gpu eth mining.

1060's are pretty decent if you can get ones without hynix ram. you can run them at 60-65% TDP without hurting hashrate in eth.

If you are mining on a pplns pool I'd recommend not coin jumping too often as it can hurt your payout.

I'd also recommend finding a way to hold as much of your coin as possible. I have a buddy that mined over 500 BTC and was living off it instead of holding. Much regret.
 
And lets be honest, Nicehash is not coming back. They've been silent for a week now. That was an exit scam, the coins are gone and being laundered. 60-70% of the hobbyist miners that used NH will not be back either. Even if NH did come back online the bigger miners have already moved on and no one in their right mind will be sending them BTC for hashing power.

They're done.
 
thats one thing i need to do the math on, 6 GPU vs 8 GPU rigs. with 6 i can either get 1 large or 2 smallish PSUs to run the cards, but would need more overall rigs to make the total card # goal. 8 GPU rigs would need larger single (might not even be one large enough for 8) or dual large PSUs but less overall rigs so no $$$ spent on extra MB/CPU/RAM/HDD/case.

btw i read your 12 AMD GPU rig thread, that sounded like a nightmare and i can partially relate to it. my current rig i have going has a rx 480, GTX 1060 6gig, and GTX 970. not only was getting the single AMD card up and running a PITA but working with nvidia and amd in the same rig added another layer of complexity that i won't be doing again!

also this is a side bar, but something thats on my mind to figure out as well that you may have some insight on. feel free to PM if you would rather too. based on the rigs you have i'm assuming you bring in a significant amount on a daily/weekly/monthly basis. assuming you are in the USA how are you handling paying taxes on mining income? i know when buying and then selling crypto its based on short/long term capitol gains tax, but is money from mining treated that same way? do you count it as income for taxing, capital gains tax, or both?

thanks!


As far as tax I don’t know yet. I only started in June with a single card, and only really ramped up in Sept. I believe you only have to pay capital gains tax on it when you sell if you are mining. I believe you get to claim deductions on your equipment purchases and electricity cost. My mother in law is my tax accountant and she’s coming to visit next week for Christmas. We will be discussing this over her visit. I’m her shops first crypto miner. She was talking to her boss and trying to get more info. I read somewhere that in 2016 only about 200 people claimed crypto currency income in the United States. So clearly, most people just dont report it. I think if you are under $10,000 you probably are too small potatoes for the IRS to worry about it.


As to mixing cards from AMD and Nvidia in a rig. You can do it. I did it. I quit doing it. It’s not worth the hassle. Drivers conflict, mining software conflicts. Not worth it.

As to a motherboard. I’ll only buy the ASUS b250 mining expert going forward. It’s bios healthscreen for each pic-e slots health status is like mana from heaven. Even if you only ran 6 or 8 cards it’s worth it.

With regards to 1080ti power use. I run mine at 65% power use. That’s about 175 watts each. Do the math on your PSU needs from there. The motherboard and CPU will only draw about 50 watts if you are using that biostar board i linked above or the ASUS board and a celeron or pentium. Remember you can’t exceed about 1440 watts continud draw on a single dedicated 15 amp 110-120 volt circuit. So 8 1080ti cards is it anyway.
 
And lets be honest, Nicehash is not coming back. They've been silent for a week now. That was an exit scam, the coins are gone and being laundered. 60-70% of the hobbyist miners that used NH will not be back either. Even if NH did come back online the bigger miners have already moved on and no one in their right mind will be sending them BTC for hashing power.

They're done.
It’ll be back this week in my expectation and people will flood back to it. I have about 8 local friends that mine. Because its hands off and by far requires the least babysitting of other multipool, multi algo miners. Half of them are switching back to nicehash when it comes back online - Or so they say.
 
And lets be honest, Nicehash is not coming back. They've been silent for a week now. That was an exit scam, the coins are gone and being laundered. 60-70% of the hobbyist miners that used NH will not be back either. Even if NH did come back online the bigger miners have already moved on and no one in their right mind will be sending them BTC for hashing power.

They're done.

They just posted an update on Friday (three days ago, including a weekend). Not that I'm saying you're wrong about it being a scam some sort, but from the volume of posts from people begging them to get back online so they go back to mining for them, I'm sure they'll have no problem picking back up again. And if they say the right things to buyers about reimbursment or being secure etc, they'll get them back too.
 
I've made a few spreadsheets for ROI/revenue, profit ratio (profit after power costs / power costs) to see what the best options are out there and 570's at $260 or less are the best option. about 3.8 month ROI, everything else is about 4.2 month +, 1080's are pretty poor and 1080ti's are too rich for upfront investment for me so tbh i haven't run the numbers on them.

As far as mining motherboards go I'd go with a d1800 BTC if you can find one in stock, if not the old biostar btc board that uses ddr3. The newer biostar BTC board is a good choice too depending on availability on the former motherboards. I'm not a fan of ddr4 rigs since ddr4 is so expensive.

Power, I'd say stick with name brands and 80+ bronze MINIMUM. That said I've bought those apevia power supplies and they aren't terrible. Its always almost worth it to go multiple PSU's vs 1, and with risers its really easy to keep your power supplies separate. Its important that the PSU you plug into the riser is the same PSU as the one plugged into the card. A good way to get cheap high efficiency power is to get your hands on old server PSU's, you can find pinouts for them online and wire it up yourself, i know there are a couple companies that make boards specifically for this too.

ram wise, 4gb is enough even if ethereum mining, just make sure you make a larger page file, 16GB is what it needs for multi gpu eth mining.

1060's are pretty decent if you can get ones without hynix ram. you can run them at 60-65% TDP without hurting hashrate in eth.

If you are mining on a pplns pool I'd recommend not coin jumping too often as it can hurt your payout.

I'd also recommend finding a way to hold as much of your coin as possible. I have a buddy that mined over 500 BTC and was living off it instead of holding. Much regret.

thanks for the reply! the problem i ran into with going with less than 1080ti for cards was the quantity needed in order to hit the monthly income target. so even though a 570 has a quicker ROI and a better profit ratio i would need twice as many of them as i did 1080ti in order to bring in enough income.

whats the reasoning for the GPU/riser coming from the same PSU?
 
thanks for the reply! the problem i ran into with going with less than 1080ti for cards was the quantity needed in order to hit the monthly income target. so even though a 570 has a quicker ROI and a better profit ratio i would need twice as many of them as i did 1080ti in order to bring in enough income.

whats the reasoning for the GPU/riser coming from the same PSU?


The +12v feeding into the riser gets passed to the GPU throught the riser's slot. So if you have two different PSU supplying +12v to one device, it could cause problems if they aren't exactly the same (i.e. +12.02v vs +11.85v or 25mv of ripple vs 10mv). Also if they don't shut down at the same time, you could have +12v back-feeding into the PSU that powered down first, or the GPU may not detect the loss of power to one of it's sources and try to pull a full load from the on that's left which can burn things up pretty quick.
 
whats the reasoning for the GPU/riser coming from the same PSU?
Shouldnt cross load power supplies. If one is making 12.32 volts and the other is making 12.74 volts. (Or whatever. - as they will even if it’s the same brand and manufacturer due to small acceptable tolerance variables in the materials) You can cause electrical issues.
 
As far as tax I don’t know yet. I only started in June with a single card, and only really ramped up in Sept. I believe you only have to pay capital gains tax on it when you sell if you are mining. I believe you get to claim deductions on your equipment purchases and electricity cost. My mother in law is my tax accountant and she’s coming to visit next week for Christmas. We will be discussing this over her visit. I’m her shops first crypto miner. She was talking to her boss and trying to get more info. I read somewhere that in 2016 only about 200 people claimed crypto currency income in the United States. So clearly, most people just dont report it. I think if you are under $10,000 you probably are too small potatoes for the IRS to worry about it.


As to mixing cards from AMD and Nvidia in a rig. You can do it. I did it. I quit doing it. It’s not worth the hassle. Drivers conflict, mining software conflicts. Not worth it.

As to a motherboard. I’ll only buy the ASUS b250 mining expert going forward. It’s bios healthscreen for each pic-e slots health status is like mana from heaven. Even if you only ran 6 or 8 cards it’s worth it.

With regards to 1080ti power use. I run mine at 65% power use. That’s about 175 watts each. Do the math on your PSU needs from there. The motherboard and CPU will only draw about 50 watts if you are using that biostar board i linked above or the ASUS board and a celeron or pentium. Remember you can’t exceed about 1440 watts continud draw on a single dedicated 15 amp 110-120 volt circuit. So 8 1080ti cards is it anyway.

once you have that tax meeting it would be a great service and invaluable information if you could make a thread and share what you found! with my current mining i wasn't planning on reporting anything as i'm going to be at like $150 to $200 per month, so too little to report. but in this future pipe dream scenario with its intent to replace an entire income i would want to make sure i was reporting it so i didn't get in trouble down the road. i just don't know how one would go about accurately reporting this! coins come in randomly all the time and price is fluctuating second to second, the best one could hope to do would be to record it daily.

i've looked at the MB you recommended and initially discounted it as i wouldn't ever do that many cards on a single system, but you are right, that is worth it even if you were doing a handful of cards. i'll keep my eyes out for those!

thanks for the tip on the circuit power draw, that is something i hadn't considered yet. i have a cousin who is an electrician, i'll have to engage him to get dedicated circuits for this setup :)

i do have my current rig stable and mining, took me awhile to get there but everything is up and going now. i'm doing profit switch mining with awesome miner and mining to MPH. most coins i'm auto exchanging to VTC to hold onto but i'm keeping any eth and zcash mined to covert back to USD to cash out at the end of the month to pay for electricity and to keep adding more equipment. december is going to be my first full month of solid 24/7 mining too so i'll have a better idea of my returns at the end of this month.
 
once you have that tax meeting it would be a great service and invaluable information if you could make a thread and share what you found! with my current mining i wasn't planning on reporting anything as i'm going to be at like $150 to $200 per month, so too little to report. but in this future pipe dream scenario with its intent to replace an entire income i would want to make sure i was reporting it so i didn't get in trouble down the road. i just don't know how one would go about accurately reporting this! coins come in randomly all the time and price is fluctuating second to second, the best one could hope to do would be to record it daily.

i've looked at the MB you recommended and initially discounted it as i wouldn't ever do that many cards on a single system, but you are right, that is worth it even if you were doing a handful of cards. i'll keep my eyes out for those!

thanks for the tip on the circuit power draw, that is something i hadn't considered yet. i have a cousin who is an electrician, i'll have to engage him to get dedicated circuits for this setup :)

i do have my current rig stable and mining, took me awhile to get there but everything is up and going now. i'm doing profit switch mining with awesome miner and mining to MPH. most coins i'm auto exchanging to VTC to hold onto but i'm keeping any eth and zcash mined to covert back to USD to cash out at the end of the month to pay for electricity and to keep adding more equipment. december is going to be my first full month of solid 24/7 mining too so i'll have a better idea of my returns at the end of this month.
If you are wiring fresh with an electricians help — Do 240 volt. Don’t even consider otherwise. One 40 amp circuit at 240 volt can supply 9600 watts continuous. You can buy a 240 volt PDU (power distribution power strip on eBay used for servers for 25 cents on the dollar). You could repurpose an electric range 240v or swimming pool pump 240v circuit if you have one unused. Not only is it simpler, but you get several % more efficiency. It also opens up the world of server PSUs which are also cheaper if the noise isn’t a factor. Noise is a issue in my case so i just use regular PSUs with 240 volt.
 
I completely agree with 240v makes wireing so much easier. I completely disagree on the PSU though. Even high end consumer supply's are trash compared to a server supply and you cannot run them 24/7 with heavy load without a very likely chance of a failure
 
What kind of hashrates do you get with those?



What part number is this? Does it actually have 8-pin PCI-E connectors?

sky 900s do 1000h/s on monero and 600h/s on zcash. s7k's get 180h/s on zcash and 450h/s on monero (with less then 100w)

Supermicro PWS-563-1H no but its stupid easy to wire on as many pcie 8 pins as you need (the psu has 2 8pin and one 4pin cpu conectors made out of heavy gauge wire that can easily move 560w)
 
sky 900s do 1000h/s on monero and 600h/s on zcash. s7k's get 180h/s on zcash and 450h/s on monero (with less then 100w)

Wow, surprising performance out of gen 1 GCN. Looks like Sky 900 is basically a 7950x2 (were that something that existed) and S7000 looks to be pretty much the same as a 7870. What's so special about those specific cards?
 
Wow, surprising performance out of gen 1 GCN. Looks like Sky 900 is basically a 7950x2 (were that something that existed) and S7000 looks to be pretty much the same as a 7870. What's so special about those specific cards?

Entirely different VRAM. You can also oc the heck out of fire pros as I do believe they are binned chips. I can push one core on a sky 900 wayyyy farther then a 7970 and similar with a s7k. Those numbers were at stock clocks on a modded vbios.
 
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You know what they say about "get rich quick" schemes. Stay the heck away from them. Replacing an income based on an actual job with something like this is not a good decision at all.
its a terrible decision unless you have an entire years worth of the wifes income set aside as savings its a don't bother. I'm on the side of my wife hasn't worked in years but is supposed to go back soon. The youngest is in pre school presently. We have a house smaller than our family probably should have but we're in a spot where our cost of living is a lot lower than I make. I'm working on other projects right now to help further supplement the income.
 
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