Crytek Hates Star Citizen and Squadron 42

LightsOut41 said:
Logic? Haven't seen it yet from you yet.
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Keep deflecting. Im still here waiting for you to give the details on that buy-out and all the details you know as facts. Just read the contract you have on your lap and post the good parts.
 
LightsOut41 said:
Erin's own words. Are you that obtuse?

"We did an outright buyout of the engine last year and have the source code, "

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/2895381/#Comment_2895381

There's your proof.
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So again, what are the details of the buy-out?

They are talking specifically about what would happen if crytek was to disappear. Which was a real (and still is) possibility. I bet you will ignore this :)

Could they have possibly made a deal that they own the source code if crytek is no longer a company? Could they possibly have made a deal saying they can do whatever they want with the code, as long as they dont resell it?

Oh my, look at all this logic that is being used. And notice how none of those assumptions are stated as fact...because I dont know, and you sure as hell dont either.

Let me know if you need it written in crayon with some pictures if you are still having trouble with it.
 
LightsOut41 said:
Because development of SQ42 started on Cryengine.

Also CIG was prohibited from switching engines: "Section 2.1.2 of the GLA contained a critical promise from Defendants that they would not develop the Star Citizen video game using any other video game engines."
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Petty squabbling with people in the thread is clouding your perspective.

First of all, don't truncate my sentence in half and then only answer a portion of it. That's a straw man.

Secondly, they never had an agreement with Crytek to develop a separate game called Squadron 42, hence 2.1.2 does not apply. That only applies to Star Citizen, which they did have an exclusive, royalty-free agreement about, and is a separate game.
 
nilepez said:
OneTwo is president of the Star Citizen Fanboy club.
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We have changed the name to the "Correcting the Uninformed" club, as it was a much better representation. Trying our best to add as many members as possible (y)
 
TorryHolt81 said:
They could make a lot of money if they made a true successor to the first Crysis instead of trying to sue.
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Man I wish. I loved all the Crysis games and am even in the middle of a replay of Crysis 3. Hell, just come out with a Crysis 4 and I'd be in for a near day 1 buy.

Crytec is one of the last studios from the old days that EA hasn't consumed yet. I hope they can keep afloat.
 
Nexus6 said:
Although Star Citizen basically forked Cryengine into what they called Starengine fairly early on (to the point that they couldn't easily commit changes to cryengine, or take updates from them), they switched to Lumberyard which is Amazon's licensed fork of Cryengine.

It seems that there may have been some early promises on both sides that weren't kept. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. But I'm guessing given Crytek's economic position, a settlement will be reached fairly quickly.
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Will it... I doubt CIG has a ton of cash to settle with. Sure stupid people are still giving Roberts donations to be a video game designer.... but I believe he has blown most of what he has already been given. To $ettle you have to have cash in the bank.
 
TorryHolt81 said:
They could make a lot of money if they made a true successor to the first Crysis instead of trying to sue.
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exactly this. could you imagine a true crysis sequel made on the modern cryengine? it would bring a gtx titan to its knees! :D i honestly dont know how they make money anymore. they really dont make games anymore (looking closely at their battle royale game coming out, seems interesting) and very few people seem to license their engine. its a shame because their engine seems like it can do some amazing things
 
TorryHolt81 said:
They could make a lot of money if they made a true successor to the first Crysis instead of trying to sue.
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Making another crysis would just sell a lot of computer hardware while the game gets downloaded illegally. . .oh wait that's what put them out of business.
 
You know that thing the brain does just before somebody dies where there is a last sudden burst of energy?

That is Crytek now.
 
gxp500 said:
So what is crytek complaining about? They still are in a way using cryengine lol
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From Crytek point of view, they put in a lot of work to work with the Star Citizen team to develop the technical demos to "sell" the crowdfunding. They likely did this at reduced compensation because they had been promised that their engine would be used to develop the game. They thought Star Citizen would be released, other developers would see how easy it was to develop using Cryengine and see the good results for Star Citizen (eventually), and would choose to use Cryengine as their engine. Now with the fork/break, they no longer get to show off Star Citizen as one of theirs.
I am doubtful the buyout referenced means they purchased the engine. I think what the person is referring to is that they came to a contract termination agreement to facilitate moving away from the (Officially Branded) Cryengine.
 
CryTek sells outright the CryEngine 3.6 to CIG which becomes Star Engine.
CryTek releases CryEngine 4 which isn't compatibale with CIG's branch that they are making changes too.
CryTek doesn't pay employees for months.
CryTek makes CryEngine 3.6 available as a free download claiming no attachments for using it.
CryTek nearly going into bankruptcy.
Amazon bails out CryTek by buying outright the CryEngine 3.6 which becomes Lumberyard
CryTek closes all but one office and gets out from having to pay its employees.
CIG and Amazon merge their 3.6 based engines.
CryTek sues CIG.

CryTek gave the entire engine away as a psuedo open source download and has sold the engine outright twice to two different companies. They also claim damages for support they didn't even pay their employees for providing.

Am I missing something?

I am pretty sure that Amazon is going to step in and confront CryTek on this. This endangers the adoption of Lumberyard if CryTek can pull crap like this and Amazon has too much invested in it and CIG to likely let this go.
 
You all missed Leonard French's livestream reading the small notice of intention to sue :p
 
Taldren said:
CryTek sells outright the CryEngine 3.6 to CIG which becomes Star Engine.
CryTek releases CryEngine 4 which isn't compatibale with CIG's branch that they are making changes too.
CryTek doesn't pay employees for months.
CryTek makes CryEngine 3.6 available as a free download claiming no attachments for using it.
CryTek nearly going into bankruptcy.
Amazon bails out CryTek by buying outright the CryEngine 3.6 which becomes Lumberyard
CryTek closes all but one office and gets out from having to pay its employees.
CIG and Amazon merge their 3.6 based engines.
CryTek sues CIG.

CryTek gave the entire engine away as a psuedo open source download and has sold the engine outright twice to two different companies. They also claim damages for support they didn't even pay their employees for providing.

Am I missing something?

I am pretty sure that Amazon is going to step in and confront CryTek on this. This endangers the adoption of Lumberyard if CryTek can pull crap like this and Amazon has too much invested in it and CIG to likely let this go.
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I suspect that CIG merely had a AAA license, which would have been about $1 million dollars. That gives them licensing rights, source code, ability to change the engine with limitations (still attribute CryEngine, source under NDA, share bug fixes/improvements w/ CryTek, etc.).

Amazon, however, did buy the whole enchilada for about $70 million dollars. I agree with you that Amazon is likely to step in. It depends on their contract, but it would not surprise me if there is something that relinquishes "assets" to Amazon or some kind of fuzzy language among the three contracts (CIG/Crytek, Crytek/Amazon, CIG/Amazon) that makes this less black and white than we are picking up from the reports and filings.
 
Taldren said:
I am pretty sure that Amazon is going to step in and confront CryTek on this. This endangers the adoption of Lumberyard if CryTek can pull crap like this and Amazon has too much invested in it and CIG to likely let this go.
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Not really. If CIG were obligated to Crytek as is claimed, that's CIG's responsibility. Makes no difference to anyone else who might choose to use LY, unless they had similar pre-existing arrangements. It doesn't really have anything to do with Amazon.
 
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