FSFT Only Users Not Contributing to the Community - You Will Be Banned

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Xinmosni said:
Kinda feels like I'm in some technological version of Fox News sometimes with the blatant biases.
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Bitches about bias and then provides own bias on said subject. :rolleyes:

Xinmosni said:
I can take my near-daily 50+ lurking clicks elsewhere
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Kyle,
Would you mind elaborating a bit on what prompted this and how long you've been thinking about it?
Is it about clicks and impressions? (Marketplace users spend less time on the site and clicking around?)
Is it about community (marketplace users are gaining / for proift at the cost of other users or admins?)

I understand both viewpoints for sure, but markets tend to be self regulating so it's not like anyone is here selling snake oil and 4000% margins and fleecing customers then escaping into the night (afaik?). Treating the "pro" sellers as enemies may end up damaging the site - having a user liker Zef selling amazon at 10% off is something that's valued by your members that they can't reasonably get somewhere else. So while these sellers are conceivably making some money, there are happy buyers on the other side I'd think?

I like the idea of the subscription. Other marketplaces I've used have had the same thing, or have had a gate to get "approved" to sell with some sort of community requirement. Or have had a steeper fee for those who use the forum for "commercial" purposes rather than those who just sell a video card here and there.
 
I've used FS/FT a lot, but also posted a lot in the past. But I disappear for a while, and come back when I have something to sell, then start checking in other areas while I'm awaiting responses, or just killing time. That still ok? PC hardware and overclocking has stagnated so much over the last few years, most have lost interest in what this forum was mainly about. Plus many of the newer users (not all, but many) either don't listen or just troll most of the threads Ive seen over the past year.


That said, Ill make it a point to look for more topics that I can provide input on while I'm around.
 
Archaea said:
That's not - but asking for people who don't use heat to be banned is obnoxious.

I personally never signed up for heat. I have forum feedback in my for sale threads here for years - or other forums where I use the same name (avsforum.com, corvetteforum.com, clubgp.com etc), or even just high post count inspires confidence.
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CLUBGP is dead
 
Some of the comments are hilarious. He put a post up explaining in simple terms, that he doesn't want people using HIS website and server if you're only going to use it as a marketplace. I'm sure if you lurk and read the articles, you're good. Taking advantage of the situation is what's uncalled for. This isn't a charity he's providing, it's a community. No one has a gun to your head to contribute, but it's really the least one can do.

Contribute to the community by either patreon/genmay sub, or by posting/engaging. People here with low post counts are claiming they've been around since who the fuck knows when, and that they don't want to get banned. If you've been around that long and are constantly lurking and browsing, why not contribute with a small donation? If $1-5 breaks your budget, you've got more issues. Pretty fucking simple. If you don't like any of those, no one is going to miss you either way (and honestly, why would they?). There are other outlets to sell and buy things if that's your only interest.

How is this difficult to wrap ones head around?

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The biggest issue is that Kyle's clarification and the new plan aren't updated into the lead post. People aren't reading the entire thread to glean that information, and since the vast majority of this thread is whining and hand-wringing, I can't really blame them. But it IS irritating to at least some of us who HAVE read the entire thread.
 
Honestly, the biggest issue here is that people don't read entire threads before they comment and they end up with a guilty conscience because they do nothing but use the classifieds.
 
usyed1 said:
Seriously though, jokes aside. It costs a lot to run a website like this. No one charges you fees here and you get a platform for buying/selling to many many vetted traders.... So if you only use the forum for monetary gain and not actually part of discussions/community... it's kind of a Douchebag thing to do.

Honestly everyone here should at the very least pay for genmay. It's $15 and just a 1 time fee. And if possible and can afford go for atleast $1 patreon a month.
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As long as users are abiding by the rules why should it matter? Running a website does cost money. If you cut any amount of traffic from your website you're going to lose advertising and affiliate revenues. So why would you want to ban anybody that is a qualified user no matter how they use the website?
 
GameHard6 said:
As long as users are abiding by the rules why should it matter? Running a website does cost money. If you cut any amount of traffic from your website you're going to lose advertising and affiliate revenues. So why would you want to ban anybody that is a qualified user no matter how they use the website?
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I doubt the ones using FS/T as their personal storefront are clicking the ads. Regardless, Kyle already laid out what prompted this. People were using his site to sell stuff without contributing in any other way, and then asking him for assistance when there was an issue with their sale. It's not his responsibility to support anyone's transactions, but he would (understandably) rather help people who contribute something to the site than people who only come out of the woodwork when they need his assistance with something that he is providing for free.
 
BigFNDeal said:
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So what you are saying is that despite my being a Patron, a paid lifetime member of GenMay and daily reader of the forum, because I may not regularly post, except when I feel I have something to contribute [rare[, I will be banned? I think that is quite harsh. I have been a member of this forum since 2004 and I don't think simply because I use FS/FT more than other areas I should be banned.
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Dude...

https://hardforum.com/threads/fsft-...will-be-banned.1945189/page-4#post-1043254295

Please people, read the ENTIRE thread (or at least Kyle's replies) before replying so that you don't create further confusion.
 
BigFNDeal said:
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So what you are saying is that despite my being a Patron, a paid lifetime member of GenMay and daily reader of the forum, because I may not regularly post, except when I feel I have something to contribute [rare[, I will be banned? I think that is quite harsh. I have been a member of this forum since 2004 and I don't think simply because I use FS/FT more than other areas I should be banned.
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To answer your question, no.
 
Lateralus said:
I doubt the ones using FS/T as their personal storefront are clicking the ads. Regardless, Kyle already laid out what prompted this. People were using his site to sell stuff without contributing in any other way, and then asking him for assistance when there was an issue with their sale. It's not his responsibility to support anyone's transactions, but he would (understandably) rather help people who contribute something to the site than people who only come out of the woodwork when they need his assistance with something that he is providing for free.
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Even if they have a chance of clicking the links is worth keeping the traffic. If he's having issues with people wanting support for their sales and they are non-participants in the rest of the website then just ignore them like they ignore the rest of the site. All disputes are supposed to be handled by the payment gateway anyway. I think the more buyers and sellers there are in the marketplace the more fruitful it would be for everyone including site administrators and hosts.
 
GameHard6 said:
As long as users are abiding by the rules why should it matter? Running a website does cost money. If you cut any amount of traffic from your website you're going to lose advertising and affiliate revenues. So why would you want to ban anybody that is a qualified user no matter how they use the website?
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I see multiple people saying it cost high dollars to run a site.

I've owned and run multiple sites and forums in the past. I still own 4 active sites.

Yes they are not free. And I know [H] has some awesome serious hardware it owns and is hosted on. But once the site is established and the hardware cost is re couped, you need enough I come to keep it hosted.

Now my sites are no where near the size or success of [H] but I would not deter traffic from my classified section. If ad revenue is the main income here, and [H] needs the income, I'd keep things how they are.

2 of my sites are run basically on donation. I leave it up to the community to keep the site running. I also don't pay staff, and I do use xenforo and some plugins. So I have license fees also etc.

I wonder if the traffic these offenders bring in outweigh their lack of formal posts and contributions to the community as a whole, purely from a money stand point.
 
GameHard6 said:
As long as users are abiding by the rules why should it matter? Running a website does cost money. If you cut any amount of traffic from your website you're going to lose advertising and affiliate revenues. So why would you want to ban anybody that is a qualified user no matter how they use the website?
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Its addressed here

post 115 FSFT Only Users Not Contributing to the Community - You Will Be Banned

and 120 FSFT Only Users Not Contributing to the Community - You Will Be Banned
 
I dont know if this was mentioned already, but for anyone complaining about Kyle's post and screaming "dont ban me bro!", how about you just become a patron and keep things moving?

https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=6668843

I have always appreciated how much attention Kyle pays to the forums, and that is why it is still so lively, so the Patron thing is fine with me, even though I'll honestly say I have not joined yet.
I probably will join, just like I eventually started to donate to heatware; if that is what needs to be done, I am all for it.

Even If I have not always agreed with the Boss's decisions, I appreciate the OP for communicating his intentions with us, much more the then if this place was ignored and turned into the wild west.

P.S.

DONT BAN ME BRO! :)
 
jmilcher said:
I see multiple people saying it cost high dollars to run a site.

I've owned and run multiple sites and forums in the past. I still own 4 active sites.

Yes they are not free. And I know [H] has some awesome serious hardware it owns and is hosted on. But once the site is established and the hardware cost is re couped, you need enough I come to keep it hosted.

Now my sites are no where near the size or success of [H] but I would not deter traffic from my classified section. If ad revenue is the main income here, and [H] needs the income, I'd keep things how they are.

2 of my sites are run basically on donation. I leave it up to the community to keep the site running. I also don't pay staff, and I do use xenforo and some plugins. So I have license fees also etc.

I wonder if the traffic these offenders bring in outweigh their lack of formal posts and contributions to the community as a whole, purely from a money stand point.
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If HardOCP is was about money, I think Kyle would have sold it years ago. That’s what all of the tech sites have done. Kyle pretty much proves every day that money isn’t the primary reason he hosts this site. The proof is the fact that it’s the last non-corporate owned tech site left.
 
Though I don't post a ton, I know I'm not the intended target (I post in the other sub forums and don't use FSFT all that much), all this talk has made me feel guilty about not giving a little something back. So I did the $15 sub to Genmay through Paypal even though I don't particularly care about using it. I would have done Patreon, but I don't need yet another site having my financial details.

Seriously, guys and girls, if all you do is come here to sell things then you can give $5 for a yearly sub to Genmay or sign up for Patreon. If you can't do that then I'm glad to see you cheap bastards go.
 
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LeftSide said:
If HardOCP is was about money, I think Kyle would have sold it years ago. That’s what all of the tech sites have done. Kyle pretty much proves every day that money isn’t the primary reason he hosts this site. The proof is the fact that it’s the last non-corporate owned tech site left.
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Thank you, sir.
 
Can we start nominating people to ban? :)

There is one person who posts in the classifieds exclusively along with the tips n tricks section that I just want to punch in the face.
 
Quote" I used to post and contribute on GenMay, that went exclusive." I thought it was just gone. How can I get in?
I'm poor and I can only afford used parts. I don't sell anything. I try to jump in and help if I know the answer to a question,
but that is not to often.
 
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