Need some help with an old LGA 775 Mobo

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Design1stcode2nd

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I have an old Gateway LGA mobo: Gateway D975XBG Big Arm Motherboard 4006151R / 4006162R and I'd like to use an old GTX 770 card in it however, the slot my old AMD 7750 is in won't fit the 770, its too close to the 24pin and there are some tall capacitors there. It would fit I think in second black PCIE slot but if you look at the attached image that slot has fewer traces going to it. Would that mean the card would run slower or at all? I'd have to cut out part of the drive cage to test it so I thought I'd ask here first.

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From the specs its an 8x electrical slot? It will still work but will be slower than the 16x.
 
it's actually a 4x slot pinned out for a video card, found a cached stats page with the info. not sure how bandwidth starved the 770 will be but if you can get it to work in that slot it's worth a try.
 
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Cool I'll give it a try then, I figured it was a 16 and a 4 as you could get SLI or crossfire as an option back then. I'll have to pick up or find a HD, I tried to use a drive from an old RAID array. I thought I could just format it and be good to go but apparently there is more involved with it than that. I think I need to download a utility, put it in another machine and wipe the RAID volume.

From what I've seen online the overclocked Q6600 should be able to do 30-50fps on most newer games depending on graphic settings. I wouldn't run anything demanding on it nor expect too much and I'd also be running on an old 1600x900 monitor so it should be OK.
 
Design1stcode2nd said:
Cool I'll give it a try then, I figured it was a 16 and a 4 as you could get SLI or crossfire as an option back then. I'll have to pick up or find a HD, I tried to use a drive from an old RAID array. I thought I could just format it and be good to go but apparently there is more involved with it than that. I think I need to download a utility, put it in another machine and wipe the RAID volume.

From what I've seen online the overclocked Q6600 should be able to do 30-50fps on most newer games depending on graphic settings. I wouldn't run anything demanding on it nor expect too much and I'd also be running on an old 1600x900 monitor so it should be OK.
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That particular board is crossfire, x4 won't support SLI, has to be x8 for SLI. For a single card it makes no difference.
 
16x and 4x is always Crossfire, SLI has required 8x lanes for each card since 6600GT days. X99 boards using a 28 lane cpu with 16x 8x 4x is only 2 card SLI. Save for a few boards (MSI for one) that do 8x 8x 0x 8x for 3-way SLI. The mainstream boards that can do 8x 8x 0x or Intel's suggested 8x 4x 4x from the CPU can only do 2 card SLI with an empty 3rd slot. Most makers just do 2 8x slots and get 4 lanes for the 3rd slot from the chipset.

Interesting note though, you can search for tests with early 6600GT SLI in a DFI lan party with the jumpers to split lanes, 16x 2x and 8x 8x, that SLI did run in 16x 2x mode with a 5% performance hit. Then Nvidia locked the drivers when it detected that.
 
Simplyfun said:
That particular board is crossfire, x4 won't support SLI, has to be x8 for SLI. For a single card it makes no difference.
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You are correct it was a single GT8800 or dual AMD cards. I had to swap to the HD7750 when the 8800 went up as it was teh only thing I could find that fit (retail 8800 boards would not). Oddly enough the PSU still works, 700w unit.

On a side note does anyone know how to get an activation code or key off of and existing installation of windows? I have a cheap windows tablet I don't use that I upgraded to win 10 and it would be great if I could use that license for this old PC. The license for the old PC originally is being used on my son's PC we built last year.
 
Design1stcode2nd said:
On a side note does anyone know how to get an activation code or key off of and existing installation of windows?
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Magical Jelly Bean may work for that. But the results may or may not work. Guys in the forum here sell keys for 15 bucks or so, that works.
 
if its a full version of windows on the tablet the MJB should work just fine. if its a crippled tablet version then MJB prob wont run and the code prob wont work on the tower.
 
Magic Jelly bean, I never heard of that. It should be a full fat windows 10, it sure runs slow enough to feel like it. I need to wipe the RAID on an old HD so I can try it, worst case I have to buy a key.

I think I'll install without a key first and run a stress test to see if it's stable before I worry about a key.
 
Well no go on the GTX770, requires an 8+6Pin and the PSU only has two 6pins. I'm going to give the 770 to my son and take his mini 950 which will fit better anyway.

I did a full erase on my old Raid drive (over 3 hours) so that should be ready for a new install and I installed 4 more gigs of RAM hopefully two 2 gb and two 1 gb modules will work together, if not I'll pull the two 1gb modules.

I'm hoping to work on it this Wednesday.
 
Finally had a chance get everything together. I has 6gb or RAM in now and a GTX 950 in the second PCIE slot. It's been running Aida 64 for about a hour or two with no issues, CPU at 68c.

I figured I would activate it but it says it is tied to my outlook account since I logged in with my account to set it up and add my daughters profile. I'm assuming I know have two pc's activated under the same key?

I'll have to test out some games and see how it does.
 
I'm just assuming that I'll get a notification that the "new" system or my current system is not valid so I'll just wait until that happens. I have a key ready I just didn't want to use it when I was testing to see if the old system would work.

It is a bit strange.

The monitor it's connected to is only 1600x900 and when testing Heroes of the Storm (most Blizzard titles have low requirements) it seemed to have some FPS issues. I'll play around with the settings but it must be a processor bottleneck as the same GTX 950 on my son's i3-6100 gets over 100fps.

I'll need to research and see if some graphical settings are more CPU intensive or maybe its just a 2.4ghz vs 3.7ghz?

If I put in an SSD vs the old 500gb Caviar black I'm sure response would be better. Hard drives really were much noisier 10 years ago. The new WD blues I use in other systems are much quieter.
 
Second question so I wanted a second post. Attached is the interior of the system (mine looks a bit different but is 90% the same). cooling for the CPU is by way of a front intake 120mm fan in the black housing on the left which is funneled into the heatsink by the green portion in the middle and out teh back by another 120mm fan.

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Do you all think if I put a high airflow fan in the front it would reduce temps? If so what should I get a Noctua or EK Vardar? That little bump out on the front of the case has slits for the air flow so static pressure fans might be best since it is pushing through the heat sink and an air flow fan at the back for exhaust.
 
A 2.4 GHz Q6600 will be only give about half the per thread performance of that i3... so right off the bat you're working with 50% of the speed. Even with four threads in gaming the i3 will be about 90% faster.
A core 2 duo E 8600 or QX extreme series would alleviate a lot of that if overclocking isn't available on that motherboard.

yeah the faster you move air into that CPU heat sink the happier it will be, but why change it unless you are having temperature problems?
 
Simplyfun said:
A 2.4 GHz Q6600 will be only give about half the per thread performance of that i3... so right off the bat you're working with 50% of the speed. Even with four threads in gaming the i3 will be about 90% faster.
A core 2 duo E 8600 or QX extreme series would alleviate a lot of that if overclocking isn't available on that motherboard.

yeah the faster you move air into that CPU heat sink the happier it will be, but why change it unless you are having temperature problems?
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Looks like the mobo would not support a QX:

Supports Intel processors in an LGA775 package and with 1066/800 MHz front side bus
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The QX ones on intels site show 1333 FSB. I think only a Q6700 would fit and be any better.

As to the fan I probably don't need a new one it's just 10 years old and under Aid 64 the hottest core got to 68c. If that seems fine I'll leave it for now.
 
Looks like Q6700s are only about $15-$20 including shipping, I'd expect about a 10% performance boost so I may pick one up.

We had an issue where it started running like a potato and it was either because we had not installed the creators update or it was Adobe CC. Did the update and removed all Adobe products and it's back to normal.

I'm sure an SSD would be a huge improvement and I may get one at some point when prices come back down. Right now there is a GTX 950 in there which I'm sure is being bottle necked by the CPU.
 
I recently noticed that the front fan is running at what seems to be full speed all the time, I don't remember it doing that (actually I'm almost positive I saw it ramp up when I used Aida 64). I looked at the bios and I don't see any fan control, voltage or otherwise. Temps are under 40C at idle so the system isn't ramping it up due to it being too hot any ideas what could have caused the change?

Assuming I can't figure out why its running at full speed (2,400RPM) what is a good static pressure 120mm that is quiet at full tilt? (That would be cheaper than getting a fan controller)
 
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Design1stcode2nd said:
I recently noticed that the front fan is running at what seems to be full speed all the time, I don't remember it doing that (actually I'm almost positive I saw it ramp up when I used Aida 64). I looked at the bios and I don't see any fan control, voltage or otherwise. Temps are under 40C at idle so the system isn't ramping it up due to it being too hot any ideas what could have caused the change?

Assuming I can't figure out why its running at full speed (2,400RPM) what is a good static pressure 120mm that is quiet at full tilt? (That would be cheaper than getting a fan controller)
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I remember that the old gateways would vary fan speed on CPU and NB temps. Whats the board temps? Also, do you have the solid ALU heatsink, or the heatsink with heat pipes? The solid ALU units always ran high RPM when it had the Quad core installed.

If the PWM on the fan dies, it'll just run at full chat the whole time too.
 
CPU temps under load are around 40c (Sims 4 is what my daughter plays). I think picking up a new fan might be my best bet. I thought perhaps the windows power profile might have something to do with it but there was no change. Post 20 has a picture, it has 3 heatpipes per side.
 
try cleaning and applying new TIM on the cpu and chipset chip(NB?). you could add a pull fan to the back of the heat sink to help cool it a bit better. is there not a hardware monitor or thermal section in the bios? even really limited bioses usually had something like that otherwise you could try speedfan to see if you can gain control of it. i don't know of any reason that aida would cause it to get stuck on full blast.
 
pendragon1 said:
try cleaning and applying new TIM on the cpu and chipset chip(NB?). you could add a pull fan to the back of the heat sink to help cool it a bit better. is there not a hardware monitor or thermal section in the bios? even really limited bioses usually had something like that otherwise you could try speedfan to see if you can gain control of it. i don't know of any reason that aida would cause it to get stuck on full blast.
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When I cleaned it up and tested it I installed the heatsink with new paste. The CPU temps are great its just that teh fan as soon as teh PC boots is at max speed and it wasn't before.

I checked every page of the bios and I can't find anything related to fans or cpu temps. I downloaded speedfan and I couldn't see any way to change speed.

I think I'll just have to install a new fan and see if there is any difference.
 
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