WD Shipping 12TB Enterprise Drives

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Here is a link. We're hoping to have a shelf of SAS versions in about a week. 7200rpm/~250MB/s sustained/5yr warranty.
 
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That would be nice I work with a guy who's brother works as a Hard Drive engineer for W/D.....

I like how the price is still low for these things I have yet to have one HDD fail ever since I stated using them I had a Maxtor drive last for like 10 years and it was still going strong I think I scraped it.
 
Large drives like this really don't make sense until the price per TB is lower or at least equal to smaller drives. Sure, a larger capacity drive allows you to save on power consumption and physical drive space, but is it really worth paying $300 more for a drive just to save $1/month in power and drive space? Also, the bandwidth of two 6TB drives can be much higher than one 12TB drive.

$300 = 12TB using Two 6TB drives with 2x SATA 6gb bandwidth (~$2 month in power, two drive bays)
$600 = 12TB using one 12TB drive with 1x SATA 6gb bandwidth (~$1 month in power, 1 drive bay)

Doesn't make a lot of sense, however, this certaintly does:

$300 = 12TB using Two 6TB drives with 2x SATA 6gb bandwidth (~$2 month in power, two drive bays)
$300 = 12TB using one 12TB drive with 1x SATA 6gb bandwidth (~$1 month in power, 1 drive bay)

Just my opinion....
 
Comixbooks said:
I would get one but all those extra platters scare the shit out of me.
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You would never buy just one of these drives. You would fill a EMC VMAX unit with them.

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HardRoller said:
Large drives like this really don't make sense until the price per TB is lower or at least equal to smaller drives. Sure, a larger capacity drive allows you to save on power consumption and physical drive space, but is it really worth paying $300 more for a drive just to save $1/month in power and drive space? Also, the bandwidth of two 6TB drives can be much higher than one 12TB drive.

$300 = 12TB using Two 6TB drives with 2x SATA 6gb bandwidth (~$2 month in power, two drive bays)
$600 = 12TB using one 12TB drive with 1x SATA 6gb bandwidth (~$1 month in power, 1 drive bay)

Doesn't make a lot of sense, however, this certaintly does:

$300 = 12TB using Two 6TB drives with 2x SATA 6gb bandwidth (~$2 month in power, two drive bays)
$300 = 12TB using one 12TB drive with 1x SATA 6gb bandwidth (~$1 month in power, 1 drive bay)

Just my opinion....
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Enterprise

If I can go from 1000 drives to 500 that saves some money.
 
your not accounting for power/cooling and floor space.

Costs me 12K to put in another rack.

Edit some quick math.

My densest shelf's are 60 drives. So in 40U I can put 10 shelves for 600 drives

For the 1000 I would need 1.5 racks.

Each drive pulls ~6 watts. 6 watts times 500 drives = 3000 watts.

So it saves me a half a rack of space a 3KW of power just in drives. The shelf needs power too. and I don't want to do the conversion for cooling.
 
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HardRoller said:
Large drives like this really don't make sense until the price per TB is lower or at least equal to smaller drives. Sure, a larger capacity drive allows you to save on power consumption and physical drive space, but is it really worth paying $300 more for a drive just to save $1/month in power and drive space? Also, the bandwidth of two 6TB drives can be much higher than one 12TB drive.

$300 = 12TB using Two 6TB drives with 2x SATA 6gb bandwidth (~$2 month in power, two drive bays)
$600 = 12TB using one 12TB drive with 1x SATA 6gb bandwidth (~$1 month in power, 1 drive bay)

Doesn't make a lot of sense, however, this certaintly does:

$300 = 12TB using Two 6TB drives with 2x SATA 6gb bandwidth (~$2 month in power, two drive bays)
$300 = 12TB using one 12TB drive with 1x SATA 6gb bandwidth (~$1 month in power, 1 drive bay)

Just my opinion....
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-But that's just throwing random numbers out. 1 drive just costs $1 a month to run?
-Can't get SAS 6TB drives for $150 each.
-In your example I would need to run the two 6TB drives in RAID 0, increasing my failure rate by 2x
 
DeChache said:
your not accounting for power/cooling and floor space.

Costs me 12K to put in another rack.
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500 12TB drives cost 150K more than 1000 6TB drives

It doesn't matter how many racks you have. If it costs more than $300 to run a single drive, then a single 12TB drive is more cost effective than two 6TB drives.
 
HardRoller said:
500 12TB drives cost 150K more than 1000 6TB drives

It doesn't matter how many racks you have. If it costs more than $300 to run a single drive, then a single 12TB drive is more cost effective than two 6TB drives.
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Until you can't put in another rack.... Datacenters are only so big.
And that doesn't account for the $50,000 for the drive shelf...

I'm fairly certain our last san was ~$1000 a drive slot with a 600 drive max...


So the extra 150K for the drives is chump change. Trust me.

We have petabytes of storage in 2 datacenters I've seen this sliced and diced every way possible. High density High Capacity wins 90% of the time the 10% is when the only thing that matters is speed.
 
Gasaraki_ said:
-But that's just throwing random numbers out. 1 drive just costs $1 a month to run?
-Can't get SAS 6TB drives for $150 each.
-In your example I would need to run the two 6TB drives in RAID 0, increasing my failure rate by 2x
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Throwing random numbers out? It's very simple math.... Assuming the drive draws 12W and is on 24 hours a day and the Kilowatt hour cost is $.12 cents then the monthly cost is $1.0368..

Who said you can get a SAS for $150? I clearly stated SATA.

You may need to run RAID 0 for your own reasons, but others are free to use RAID 6 if they like.
 
DeChache said:
Until you can't put in another rack.... Datacenters are only so big.
And that doesn't account for the $50,000 for the drive shelf...

I'm fairly certain our last san was ~$1000 a drive slot with a 600 drive max...


So the extra 150K for the drives is chump change. Trust me.

We have petabytes of storage in 2 datacenters I've seen this sliced and diced every way possible. High density High Capacity wins 90% of the time the 10% is when the only thing that matters is speed.
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Agreed... For most consumer grade NAS systems, you rarely pay more than $300 to operate a drive bay. Synology, QNAP seem to average ~$120-$200 a bay.
 
Even personal use, I can buy a Nas that holds 4 drives, should I just have a living room full of Nas boxes?
 
That's nothing... Power consumption wise :)

Fill a full rack with 10 of these 4U 60 3.5" shelves and you have 600 3.5" drives in a single 42U rack:

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I've never once looked at cost per slot. I always go by cost per GB with power and cooling even for home use...

Heat becomes an issue really fast once you go past 6 drives unless your dedicated enough to have dedicated HVAC which again costs $$
 
I work for EMC and can walk around in our labs and look at server porn all day long but honestly I don't even know what most of it is as I work in R&D and not directly with any of our products (DellEMC now).
 
HardRoller said:
Large drives like this really don't make sense until the price per TB is lower or at least equal to smaller drives. Sure, a larger capacity drive allows you to save on power consumption and physical drive space, but is it really worth paying $300 more for a drive just to save $1/month in power and drive space? Also, the bandwidth of two 6TB drives can be much higher than one 12TB drive.

$300 = 12TB using Two 6TB drives with 2x SATA 6gb bandwidth (~$2 month in power, two drive bays)
$600 = 12TB using one 12TB drive with 1x SATA 6gb bandwidth (~$1 month in power, 1 drive bay)

Doesn't make a lot of sense, however, this certaintly does:

$300 = 12TB using Two 6TB drives with 2x SATA 6gb bandwidth (~$2 month in power, two drive bays)
$300 = 12TB using one 12TB drive with 1x SATA 6gb bandwidth (~$1 month in power, 1 drive bay)

Just my opinion....
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The latest and greatest of any electronics is always overpriced from a consumer standpoint. It's just the way it is. The beauty is it knocks the current leader down a notch to price worthy levels. Plus these are Enterprise drives, a lot of companies who will buy these don't have price as their primary concern where as getting the most storage possible out of their rack space is.
 
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