How AMD's Ryzen Will Disrupt the Gaming CPU Market

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Eurogamer has offered some positive thoughts on the effect that Ryzen could have on gaming. While there is plenty of testing left to be done, it isn’t crazy to think that the new AMD chips will offer tremendous value, especially if they can be pushed like the competition. Ryzen does lack an integrated GPU, but that “downside,” as you would imagine, is pretty darn moot. One thing I like, beyond the gaming aspect, is that Ryzen chips could be a cheaper but equally effective solution for video encoding.

…how will gaming performance pan out, and secondly - just how is a much smaller company able to undercut Intel so massively? Has Intel really been ripping us off over the last decade? Potentially, there's much to get excited about in just how much performance we're getting for the money here—even for the budget gaming PC builder. At the absolute bottom end, the Pentium G4560 still looks unassailable, but assuming Ryzen can indeed match up to an Intel Broadwell processor, the entry-level Ryzen 3 1100 should offer superb gaming performance up there with a modern i5, even before we factor in the overclocking potential of the chip. There are also other factors to consider too - such as AMD's track record in providing gamer-friendly features on entry-level motherboards.
 
SeymourGore said:
Trying not to give into the hype (and hope!) until the [H] review comes out - but, damn, it's getting tougher and tougher.
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The hype seems to be real, with previous amd cpu's fanboys were huddling together and wishing it would blow intel out of the water, now its different because actual benchmarks that show promise are leaking left and right.
 
Darkswordz said:
The fact that it lacks an integrated GPU is a selling point in it's favor, IMO.
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I'm not sure how having an integrated GPU is a con if it wont effect the overall performance of the CPU.
 
Darkswordz said:
The fact that it lacks an integrated GPU is a selling point in it's favor, IMO.
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This. We always disable them anyways. It's convenient to have an igpu for a rainy day but so is an old discrete gpu and I'd trade that all for a cooler chip and lower cost due to no igpu. And with gpu hardware encoding, it's made intels quicksync redundant and a waste in context of the above.
 
thesmokingman said:
This. We always disable them anyways. It's convenient to have an igpu for a rainy day but so is an old discrete gpu and I'd trade that all for a cooler chip and lower cost due to no igpu. And with gpu hardware encoding, it's made intels quicksync pointless.
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Disabling it equals a cooler chip.

Like it or not, that iGPU also brings a lot of hardware accelerated features for video encoding and decoding. A boon for laptops, HTPC, or budget computers maximizing features.
 
chameleoneel said:
Disabling it equals a cooler chip.

Like it or not, that iGPU also brings a lot of hardware accelerated features for video encoding and decoding. A boon for laptops, HTPC, or budget computers maximizing features.
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Igpu encoding sucks compared to gpu hw encoding. Ugh, I don't give a shit about laptops and we're not talking about laptops, htpc, or budgets. We're talking in the context of gamers and enthusiasts. AMD will have APU's for the grandmas out there.
 
thesmokingman said:
This. We always disable them anyways. It's convenient to have an igpu for a rainy day but so is an old discrete gpu and I'd trade that all for a cooler chip and lower cost due to no igpu. And with gpu hardware encoding, it's made intels quicksync redundant and a waste in context of the above.
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Err, depends on your point of view right? Not being able to troubleshoot whether it's your video card or not is a problem; OEM must add discrete graphics (which I think is a positive, but adds to cost) and most people don't upgrade nor install graphics drivers which can lead to their own problems. I hope it pushes some folks to pay more attention to what's actually in the machine, instead of oh it's a pentium...more like it's a Ryzen 3 1600 with a Radeon R5 230, what's a 230? Or a GT 730? You wouldn't have to ask that question prior. I guess though with the bottom of the barrel Ryzen being essentially an i5, it's better to pair with discrete anyway, GTX 750 or higher.

I still see HP and other OEM's selling i7/32GB/1TB/GT 730 for $1200, it's pretty sad. Big numbars = fast computerz! There was a decent deal at Costco on an Acer though, i7-7700/32GB/1TB/256GB/1070 for $1199, that really isn't bad.
 
Mugato said:
Err, depends on your point of view right? Not being able to troubleshoot whether it's your video card or not is a problem; OEM must add discrete graphics (which I think is a positive, but adds to cost) and most people don't upgrade nor install graphics drivers which can lead to their own problems. I hope it pushes some folks to pay more attention to what's actually in the machine, instead of oh it's a pentium...more like it's a Ryzen 3 1600 with a Radeon R5 230, what's a 230? Or a GT 730? You wouldn't have to ask that question prior. I guess though with the bottom of the barrel Ryzen being essentially an i5, it's better to pair with discrete anyway, GTX 750 or higher.

I still see HP and other OEM's selling i7/32GB/1TB/GT 730 for $1200, it's pretty sad. Big numbars = fast computerz! There was a decent deal at Costco on an Acer though, i7-7700/32GB/1TB/256GB/1070 for $1199, that really isn't bad.
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Omfg, why are we on [H] and suddenly you all are pandering to the grandmas? To be fair, who gives a five about oem pc's? These chips are not for them, they are for us. If you really have a hankering for igpu, they will have APU's out later. Hmm, Vega based APU or Intel igpu? Is there even a choice there?

http://wccftech.com/amd-raven-ridge-apu-vega-zen-hbm-2017/
 
gxp500 said:
The hype seems to be real, with previous amd cpu's fanboys were huddling together and wishing it would blow intel out of the water, now its different because actual benchmarks that show promise are leaking left and right.
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wasn't the Hype real for AMD's Bulldozer FX too? C'mon
 
I haven't been this excited for AMD since the Athlon XP and Opteron days. Can't wait for the reviews. I haven't been a regular visitor to this site in a few years, but that will change soon.
 
Im excited. The idea of of a 8 core 16 thread 4ghz chip with broadwell IPC for $350 is... super getting the better of me :p
 
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If you're on [H] and don't have any other dedicated video card... you need to step up your game a few notches.

The cynic in me is saying "Ryzen won't be all that's touted." and I look back to all the hype around "Bulldozer". And no one seems to remember the steaming pile of bull that was. I get it. I get it. Everyone loves an underdog story and AMD is just that. I'll wait until Kyle decides to delid it with frozen bacon.
 
I just hope that AMD succeeds with getting some OEMs to build good mainstream laptops and desktop designs and not just hoping that they compete well for gamers and people looking to leverage more than 4-cores for encoding or what not but don't have the budget or desire for xeon workstation class gear.

It is all fine and good if Ryzen really shakes up the playing field for processors sell to gamers or home users looking to spend $200-$600 on the cpu, but unless AMD get ryzen chip into laptops and desktops that make up the majority of sales, it really isn't going to hurt Intel's market share too much.

I'd like to think AMD also has their chipset plans all worked out and they have good support for usb type-c 3.1 gen 2 and NVMe nailed down too, they cannot affort chipset issues holding back a otherwise good processor and for the market were that matters, gamers and semi-pro users, they are the most likely to push setups to the limits with overclocking and loading down 8-cores for encoding hoping do get more done for less money spent.

I'd hate to see strange issues with peripherals or NVMe drives that only start to show up once people really start overclocking and pushing the systems to the limts but if they become know as good stable, overclockable systems I could see there being another fight for desktop dominance by give people a actual reason to go out and spend money on a new build that will actually perform better for the money. it would jsut be better if thye pull that off and also become know as a good option for the average laptop and desktop buyer that hasn't been a real thing for far too long.
 
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I'm torn, assuming prices are as leaked, should I go with the 6 core 1600x or the 8 core 1700x? I will need to see some games to determine what is appropriate.
 
Ryzen looks good to me as a laptop processor, even designed for the job, low power, at lower clocks it should be very good for mobile with the eventual IGPU it should have,

I don't know why they are taking so long to get in the market, it's really draggging now,.. They should have been designing Ryzen when it was obvious Bulldoser was the wrong design choice, easy to say with hindsight though.

Low power and lots of cores, good amount of cache it also should do well in servers, I think we should give AMD the benefit of the doubt.

Will it stand up to 5Ghz overclocks from Intel at the high end single thread work load that a lot of programs still are, I'm not so sure, but it still looks like a fast useful bit of silicon if you believe the rumours / leaks.

lets hope it helps revive AMD.
 
I see display connectors even on the X370 chipset mobos. Does that mean AMD will also launch the Bristol Ridge APU for retail as well?
 
thesmokingman said:
Omfg, why are we on [H] and suddenly you all are pandering to the grandmas? To be fair, who gives a five about oem pc's? These chips are not for them, they are for us. If you really have a hankering for igpu, they will have APU's out later. Hmm, Vega based APU or Intel igpu? Is there even a choice there?

http://wccftech.com/amd-raven-ridge-apu-vega-zen-hbm-2017/
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You posted a link to WCCFail, I didn't even read anything of this beyond that. /mic drop
 
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