MindFactory.de sales figures for GeForce 10-series and RX 400 series

Shintai said:
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RX 480 is faster than the GTX 1060 in 1080P. The GTX 1060 faster than the RX 480 in 1440P.

The BF1 Open beta test doesn't exactly show promising DX12 performance. And absolutely no AMD favourism.
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Well, so much for the DX12 will save AMD memes.

Besides, NV cards tend do better in games where users gonna sink hundreds of hours like GTA5, Witcher 3, Overwatch and BF than something like Doom. The former is certainly a much more important games than the latter to consider in the purchasing equation for most.
 
Said it before, will say it again, overclocking puts Nvidia over the edge. Anybody who is smart enough to build their own PC is also smart enough to overclock.
It always gets buried under the "Silicon lottery" and "not everybody does it" nonsense. 10-15% OC headroom advantage is basically equivalent to a full performance tier.

As DX12/Vulkan get more mainstream we will see bigger 'hundreds of hours' games using it. Most people keep their cards for 2-3 years. It's something people need to consider when buying a new gpu today.

Pascal is outselling AMD on marketing hype. Put a GeForce sticker on the RX 480 and it would fly up the best seller list.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
It always gets buried under the "Silicon lottery" and "not everybody does it" nonsense.
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Neither of those are nonsense. The silicon lottery is very real. If you believe it's not, I suppose that you also believe in flat-earth theory? And it's true that not everyone overclocks. In fact, the vast majority of PC gamers do NOT overclock.

TaintedSquirrel said:
10-15% OC headroom advantage is basically equivalent to a full performance tier.
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The GTX 1070 is roughly 50% faster than the GTX 1060. The only time that 10-15% headroom is equal to the next card up is when AMD/NV screw up and release two cards that overlap too closely. Recent examples are the 950/960, 970/980, R9 390/390X, and RX 470/480.

TaintedSquirrel said:
Pascal is outselling AMD on marketing hype. Put a GeForce sticker on the RX 480 and it would fly up the best seller list.
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You're probably right , but this contradicts your earlier point. PC gamers are smart enough to overclock but not smart enough to pick the faster card? But again, not all people fall for hype. As an AMD fan I was all set to buy the RX 480. I had to settle for the GTX 1060 when the RX 480 did not meet my expectations..
 
KazeoHin said:
About the same cost as it would be for AMD to admit they just don't make very good chips.
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Who will they switch to? nVidia is going to remain the preferred partner at TSMC because they need to keep that relationship solid given they don't have the fabs. TSMC would need a massive payoff to give priority to AMD but AMD doesn't have that cash. AMD should have never spun of GF. Now no one cares about them.
 
Daniel_Chang said:
You're probably right , but this contradicts your earlier point. PC gamers are smart enough to overclock but not smart enough to pick the faster card? But again, not all people fall for hype. As an AMD fan I was all set to buy the RX 480. I had to settle for the GTX 1060 when the RX 480 did not meet my expectations..
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I think it shows the exact problem we're seeing in the PC market.
People will spend WEEKS researching, assembling, and setting up their gaming PC but they buy a 1060 (or any other GPU for that matter) and don't overclock it? And they probably should have gotten the 480 instead, but they didn't. This is after we've spent the last year or so listening to an endless barrage of DX12 hype, AMD driver hype, anti-Nvidia press: vram-gate, async-gate, GameWorks-gate.

After all the shit we've been through recently, did anyone expect the 1060 to sell this well?

I think people who have bought and assembled their own gaming PC have more than proven they are capable of overclocking, but they still don't do it. Making good purchases is a whole separate problem... You can be good at building PC's but suck at researching good components.
The fact that they are SMART ENOUGH to do something BUT DON'T DO IT ANYWAY is the problem. That's why we are where we are.

The day AMD closes the overclocking gap with Nvidia is the day I drop everything and switch back to team red, end of story. There's nothing else keeping me with Nvidia GPUs.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
People will spend WEEKS researching, assembling, and setting up their gaming PC but they buy a 1060 (or any other GPU for that matter) and don't overclock it?
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You don't need to overclock it. Sometimes out-of-box simplicity is preferred. The way that Boost 3.0 works, overclocking doesn't give the benefit that it once did. A GTX 1060 out of box is about on par with a GTX 980 out of box. OC them and the 980 pulls way ahead due to the differing nature of their GPU Boost feature (the 1060 is closer to max out of box, leaving more headroom for the 980). My GTX 1060 hits 2012mhz out of box. If I push the OC I can get 2050-2100, depending on silicon lottery. Whoop-dee-fucking-doo.

TaintedSquirrel said:
And they probably should have gotten the 480 instead, but they didn't.
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At the time of purchase for me, the GTX 1060 was cheaper, faster (in all but a handful of games), and significantly less power draw. Why again should I have purchased the 480?
 
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Boost 3.0 works really well, there is very little to gain with it. Personally I wanted faster guaranteed clocks so I bought the card that was fastest out of the box so I don't have to screw with overclocking apps.
 
A lot of people actually miss a big point. We here shoot for performance and don't mind switching. But fan base is a real deal, believe it or not. People that have had 970/980 had big reason to upgrade. They had cash before and they had cash now to see step up to newer generation cars. Big leap on nvidia side. So I am not surprised the higher end cards are selling.

I do the same. 970 to 1070 is a large upgrade and it shows probably all those people jumping on it. Given how many 970s I saw on sale here in the forums. On the other hand as long as amd is selling all the rx480 they make I am sure they are happy and that's all they can expect.
 
Palladium@SG said:
Well, so much for the DX12 will save AMD memes.

Besides, NV cards tend do better in games where users gonna sink hundreds of hours like GTA5, Witcher 3, Overwatch and BF than something like Doom. The former is certainly a much more important games than the latter to consider in the purchasing equation for most.
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It's pretty funny that Ashes which sold something like 100k copies is benchmarked and posted on every forum but when in overwatch Fury X barely beats 970 there's just big silence ;)
 
Michaelius said:
It's pretty funny that Ashes which sold something like 100k copies is benchmarked and posted on every forum but when in overwatch Fury X barely beats 970 there's just big silence ;)
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To be fair, that's less about sales figures and AMD fanboyism, and more about technology. Ashes used new tech so it received a lot more attention based on that tech (certainly not for its gameplay). OW is another in a long line of Blizzard games that runs max settings 100fps on moderate hardware. It's just not sexy for benchmarking purposes.
 
Michaelius said:
It's pretty funny that Ashes which sold something like 100k copies is benchmarked and posted on every forum but when in overwatch Fury X barely beats 970 there's just big silence ;)
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They abandoned Ashes as soon as Pascal took the lead. Poof, gone like a fart in the wind.
Thank sweet baby jesus for Doom Vulkan!
 
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TaintedSquirrel said:
They abandoned Ashes as soon as Pascal took the lead. Poof, gone like a fart in the wind.
Thank sweet baby jesus for Doom Vulkan!
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Well that lead is pretty much gone too lol.

BTW, Maxwell 2, has the lead in DX12 in AOTS now

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just don't use the in game benchmark because that will still show AMD having an advantage.

Ironic isn't it, that this is the 3rd game with an in game benchmark that isn't representative of real game play?
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Said it before, will say it again, overclocking puts Nvidia over the edge. Anybody who is smart enough to build their own PC is also smart enough to overclock.
It always gets buried under the "Silicon lottery" and "not everybody does it" nonsense. 10-15% OC headroom advantage is basically equivalent to a full performance tier.

As DX12/Vulkan get more mainstream we will see bigger 'hundreds of hours' games using it. Most people keep their cards for 2-3 years. It's something people need to consider when buying a new gpu today.

Pascal is outselling AMD on marketing hype. Put a GeForce sticker on the RX 480 and it would fly up the best seller list.
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well with boost 3.0, all you have to do is up the power target. I mean it takes away from user having to worry. People get with in 100mhz of top overclock doing just that. As long as you got aftermarket card, upping the power target gives you decent overclock from that.
 
yep but driver improvements have helped nV out quite a bit in recent reviews regarding vulkan performance.
 
Bankie said:
Didn't Bethesda say that they haven't optimized Vulkan for NV GPUs yet?
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They haven't finished optimizing for AMD yet either. Vulkan was added on late in development (like an y Vulkan/DX12 game currently in existence).
 
Brackle said:
Not shocking tbh. The 1070 is a great priced card. Really made the 980ti overpriced. Also with the VR speed and having async compute working (unlike maxwell) It really is the card to get.

I was waiting to see what a 1500mhz 480 GTX could do, but hell they can't even hit 1400mhz.

But the 1060 outselling a 480.....I would think it would. Nvidia fanbase > AMD fanbase. Marketing works wonders!
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Yes, but the 1070 came out nearly two years after the 980 Ti with nearly identical performance with only a 10% price cut.

Power Use aside. Meh...

Had both for a while. Kept the 980 Ti.

Noting Power Use, I wonder if the 1070 in some cases would actually draw more amperage at the wall due to Power Supply inefficiency in some cases?
 
Kwaz said:
Yes, but the 1070 came out nearly two years after the 980 Ti with nearly identical performance with only a 10% price cut.

Power Use aside. Meh...

Had both for a while. Kept the 980 Ti.

Noting Power Use, I wonder if the 1070 in some cases would actually draw more amperage at the wall due to Power Supply inefficiency in some cases?
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As I agree with you on the 980ti....I mean I just purchased a used MSI Golden 980ti for $340.... $629 to $429 us a LIL bit more than 10% discount.

Right now the best price/performance you can get is a 1070. I constantly see $399 models in stock at newegg too.
 
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Forza Horizons 3 is another new DX12 game.
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It's broken like nearly every other DX12 game on the market except this time AMD got shafted. Nobody is safe from shitty ports.
 
Ocellaris said:
Just to be clear...

If AMD wins a DX12 benchmark, it's because of better drivers, proper planning, and a Async Compute

If Nvidia wins, the game is broken.
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He said "like nearly every other DX12 game". He wasn't picking sides. By stating "except this time AMD got shafted," he's implying the other times that Nvidia got shafted. You're making a fanboy issue out of something that is neither a fanboy issue, nor an issue at all.

And he's absolutely correct. There is not one game today released or about to be released where DX12 and/or Vulkan were in the orignal planning stages. They're recently released and simply bolted on to a game late in the development stages. We're not going to see DX12/Vulkan fully and properly utilized until we see games that were released with one of those APIs in the initial planning stages, and the game exclusively using that API. So probably another 2-3 years still.
 
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Check my post history. I've been calling DX12 games "broken" for a long time. Arguing over AMD vs Nvidia is just a distraction.
 
Btw he has a point. Read here.
GameGPU "isn't credible", comments contain links to other sources (including JOKER of all channels). Remember what happened with the Mankind Divided gameplay vs benchmarks results a few weeks ago? Completely opposite discussion this time.

Past GameGPU benchmarks which were apparently accurate for AMD:

Doom
Bioshock Remastered
Mankind Divided
Doom Alpha
Total War
Battlefield 1
 
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TaintedSquirrel said:
Check my post history. I've been calling DX12 games "broken" for a long time. Arguing over AMD vs Nvidia is just a distraction.
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Some (most lol) are broken some aren't, but as I stated a long time before, doesn't matter these games that the IHV's play with developers and publishers will continue on even with DX12, neither company has "better" architecture that is "better" suited for DX12, they just have strong points and weak points that is it.
Feellia said:
Where's the RX 480
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Its there just below the 1060 @ 1080 p. The rest of the resolutions they go below 30fps. Sorry that was the 470, just take that and add 5% easy enough. Can't count for the vram change, but don't expect miracles.
 
I don't care much about the dx12 performance for GOW4, just want the game to be released, love that series lol
 
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