Larry Page Spars With Oracle Attorney At Android Trial

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I guess you can call this sparring. I'm kinda bummed, I was actually hoping for a "you can't handle the truth!" moment or something after reading that headline. Oh well, we still have time, the trial isn't over yet.

"Yes, I already testified I think Android is significant to Google," said Page, who testified for about a half hour. Bicks asked Page if Google paid Oracle for the use of Java, which was developed by Sun Micro systems in the early 1990s and acquired by Oracle in 2010. "I think when Sun established Java it was established as an open source thing," Page said. Bicks repeated the question. "No we didn't pay for the free and open things," Page said.
 
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Google: Appropriating and controlling the efforts of Open Source and making billions in the process while devaluing the contributions and personal worth of programmers everywhere.
A Google future is such a dystopian one.
 
Ordeith said:
Google: Appropriating and controlling the efforts of Open Source and making billions in the process while devaluing the contributions and personal worth of programmers everywhere.
A Google future is such a dystopian one.
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No, Google didn't do anything wrong. They used open source software to make something new and innovative. If Java's base classes, components, and code which are referred to as the Java APIs are copyrighted, than Java is not open source free software and everyone should avoid it. Any app you've written in Java is no longer safe. If you make billions like Google, Oracle will cry foul because they are having trouble making money from anything they offer. Oracle has been made irrelevant by better technologies available today. Sun should have never sold themselves to Oracle.
 
Ordeith said:
Google: Appropriating and controlling the efforts of Open Source and making billions in the process while devaluing the contributions and personal worth of programmers everywhere.
A Google future is such a dystopian one.
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"Ok, now point out on the doll exactly where Google touched you!"
 
Ordeith said:
Google: Appropriating and controlling the efforts of Open Source and making billions in the process while devaluing the contributions and personal worth of programmers everywhere.
A Google future is such a dystopian one.
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So that's how you feel about Apple's use of BSD in MacOSX...
 
bexxxxxx said:
Looks fine to me. I don't even follow what that article has to do with Java API.
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That article doesn't mention them, but the 37 Java API packages in use by Google is why Oracle thinks it is owed $9 BILLION. One of the packages is java.io... which is pretty much the package everyone uses to do file input / output. This is why this lawsuit is dumb. java.io is a core base package that everyone uses. If Oracle wins, say bye to Java for not being open source.
 
rat said:
So that's how you feel about Apple's use of BSD in MacOSX...
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Little bit.
But Google's exploitation and subjugation of the efforts of Open Source contributors is far more widespread and egregious.
 
Ordeith said:
Legally? Maybe not. Ethically? Well. Does this look "right" to you?
Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary
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Ok, so I read the whole article. You're right. What Google is doing is driven by greed and control. Unfortunately, Google does make great products. They have their hands in everything.

Developers just need to figure out how to live without using Google anything for their programs, which is possible... but yes, they make it difficult with license agreements they make phone manufactures sign to have the official Google Apps, but this is the reason why I have an Android phone anyways. Gmail, texting, calls, and Firefox. That's it.

I hate most third party apps anyways, and if I want to waste time computing, that's what computers are for. Mobile gaming is garbage compared to PC gaming anyways. A phone is a phone. Use it for accessing the net, email, calling, and texting.

In an open source environment, if you don't like it, you don't have to follow the rules, sign agreements, or consent to being bent over. You just have to create and use alternatives. I don't like what Google or Oracle are doing in terms of open source software, but Oracle is just plain evil to say that base packages everyone builds off of is copyrighted code. gtfo
 
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