NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Founders Edition Review @ [H]

Did you guys consider a Silver Award because of the $699 msrp? If/when $599 msrp AIB cards are released, and assuming at least equal performance, it will also receive a Gold Award while costing $100 less. I guess you could create a new Platinum Award category to solve the dilemma ;)
 
MavericK said:
I just went SLI with my 970s not long ago so this may seem odd, but I'd really like to get away from SLI. It seems like the support lately has been waning and even when it does work the gains are not that massive.

Maybe the new "2x bandwidth" bridge will help, but ultimately it comes down to driver/developer support which feels like it's been worse lately than in the past.
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I know how you feel. I run across some odd issues with SLI in my dual 970 setup. I'm looking forward to going back to a single card solution and with these reviews, the 1080 looks incredibly promising. Just waiting on AIBs.
 
The raw bandwidth is about the same between 1080 and 980Ti, so I suspect a lot of Pascal bang comes from that 1700+ MHz clock rate, and the new color compression. I hope the new Boost 3.0 is more stable.
 
pendragon1 said:
all they said, it was already asked several times, is that is very quite. but they only let it run stock and the fan maxed at 55%. when the article on OCing comes out it will probably have more info and be in there.
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Sure. The Titan X was very quiet with the default fan curve, too, but turn that sucker up to 11 in order to actually get respectable Boost clocks, let alone a decent overclock, and you are quickly teleported back to the days of the 5800 Ultra. It's a small fan that goes up to 5500 RPM, so I'm sure you could imagine the noise it can make.
 
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With the laundry list of favorable and recommended reviews, these things will be out of stock for some time when it launches in 10 days. Good luck to all of you guys looking to pick one up!
 
Araxie said:
so a lot of people suddenly forgot the fact that his card it's replacing the GTX 980 and not the GTX 980Ti which is already a good chunk faster than the GTX 980. We 980 TI/Titan X owners will have a proper replace of our cards later.. at this point in the market, Nvidia doesn't have any reason to put out the strongest possible GPU because as the same they did with the GTX 680, GTX 780 and GTX 980 they just want to put out something faster out and milk some money, this time is even easier because they don't have any competition, which could be even worse as AMD stated their focus in Mid-range/mainstream market so the performance crown is free for Nvidia..

The GTX 980 was praised at launch date being only marginally faster than the current 780TI, Nvidia launch now a 1080 25-35% faster overall than the current 980TI and then suddenly that hurt in the butt to every 980TI owner calling major disappointment. that's a joke... this card will be at least 100$ cheaper in 6-8 months when the new cards and new kings arrive to the market same as GTX 780 and GTX 980 did.. history its cyclic..
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I think you are really missing the boat here. At $699 this is no longer the regular pricing category for a card of that level and is more expensive than the 980 TI was.
 
I want to go to sleep, but all the salty "n00bie" posters are cracking me up.



Now pertaining to the thread... Is there any chance Brent or Kyle could let us know if the 1080 overclocking article will include 1080 OC vs Titan X OC or at the very least 980 Ti OC?

I only ask because I don't recall seeing a 980 Ti OC vs 980 OC or (better yet) 780 Ti OC in the past. I understand max clocks being a lottery but it doesn't invalidate the results.
 
Waiting for the aftermarket coolers with 2xpower connectors is reasonable. Waiting for the Ti version seems a bit silly as that's the 6+ month mid life kicker for a card. There will always be some speed bump planned for 6-9 months down the road, be it a clock speed bump or a new chip. They know they need to do this to keep the cash rolling in steadily.

Personally I hope we see a nice AIO liquid cooled 1080 at the end of the month.
 
Fixall said:
The game was probably only pushing the GPU to 60% - 70% usage I'm guessing.




You'll hear a lot of opposing views. It just comes down to how much you value 20% - 30% extra performance over an overclocked 980 Ti.
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It is 20%-30% faster than a STOCK 980 Ti. Since the Founders Edition has no room for an OC that gap will close over an OCed 980 Ti
 
article said:
Relative to previous NVIDIA designs, we have upgraded the following areas: The power supply has been upgraded from 4phases to a 5phase dualFET design and tuned for bandwidth, phase balancing and acoustics. We added extra capacitance to our filtering network, and optimized the power delivery network on the PCB for low impedance. As a result, power efficiency increased by roughly 6% compared to the GTX 980, and peak to peak voltage noise was reduced from 209mV to 120mV for improved overclocking.
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Lol, I love how they brag about this, but them skimped out on the actual final cards .. The PCB has traces for dual fets on each phase BUT THEY ARE ONLY USING ONE!

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See those small black chips on the right of the big square chokes (they have R22 on them), those are the fet's, those are actually what switches on and off the power. (Very quickly, of course, in the Khz probably but I would have to hook it to my scope to see). See how there is only one next to each choke...

FAIL! Lol. I mean that's almost straight up false advertising.

And as far as the bit about extra capacitance on the filtering network, you can see that they have traces for another cap on the right side near the power connector. I mean, this one is a little bit less of a lie, because they may have indeed increased the capacitance vs previous cards, but obviously they are pinching pennies here, I mean seriously another poly cap like that is a few cents.

I mean obviously the card works fine, but I really have an issue with them SPECIFICALLY claiming they are using dual fets on the phases .. and then not.
 
misterbobby said:
I think you are really missing the boat here. At $699 this is no longer the regular pricing category for a card of that level and is more expensive than the 980 TI was.
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and then you will see later AIB fully customized cards with 2x8pin PCI-E and beefier coolers for 650$.. which will still perform much better than the same priced 650$ 980TI.. the price of the card isn't 700$ its 600$, nvidia its charging 100$ for the cooler and early adopters? isn't that the same they did with the GTX 970? they added a 80$ value to the card to have an nvidia reference cooler... i don't see the so bad issue, I don't buy reference cards anyway, very few few people do that, and with the fact that even in mGPU scenarios Aftermarket cooled cards tend to perform better and cooler. Only people really worried by this 700$ founder edition are those who are looking to do fully custom water cooling, and then still not an issue at all, they need a reference board mostly not reference cooler, we have already seen pictures of reference boards with non-reference cooler.. and we can not forget the fact that most High-end customized boards also receive their dedicated fully custom water block..

At this moment nobody have reason to buy the founder edition, beyond early adopters..
 
How did this propaganda level writing end up in the review after the 2100Mhz @ 67C overclocking fiasco?

We think many of us are somewhat surprised at how well moving to 16nm FinFET has been for NVIDIA. NVIDIA's shift in architecture focusing on clock speed and this better processing technology seems to have paid off big time right now. Not only are we seeing the GTX 1080 provide large performance advantages compared to the previous generation top of the line fastest GPUs, but there is also the potential for incredible clock speed improvements. NVIDIA themselves showed us that 2.1GHz is possible on the Founders Edition. We dare to think what custom retail video cards will be able to do.

The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 is a marvel of engineering and gaming performance. It performs amazingly, it's power efficient, there's potential for higher clocks, and it is feature rich. The GeForce GTX 1080 Founders Edition is the fastest video card on the planet when it comes to today's games. And the GTX 1080 is not just a little faster than yesterday's flagship GPUs, it is a lot faster.
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Fixall said:
As much as I think we'll get a Ti series this go around.... that's not confirmed yet. I feel like people tend to forget the 80 series has only had a Ti model the last two releases and they seemed more of a response to AMD's offerings.
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the "x80Ti" worked flawlessly to milking the product for nvidia. they would be stupid to not keep using this method.. "hey let's release our mid range cards as high-end at high-end prices, then 6 months later we release the truly high end and we lower the price of current high-end, everyone will be happy and we will get some money" there's no reason to not think they will launch a 1080TI..
 
Fixall said:
This hits home. On a daily basis I open Steam and look at my 300 games (about 250 being backlogged), only to decide... Meh, I think I'll browse [H] or Reddit. And here I am hoping the Titan X used market falls on its face so I can buy a second. >.<
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I thought I was the only idiot that did this ;)
 
variant said:
How did this propaganda level writing end up in the review after the 2100Mhz @ 67C overclocking fiasco?
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Lots of reviewers got their reference 1080s to run at 2100Mhz just fine. Need to increase the power target to 120% and setup a custom fan profile-- although not a super loud one, one site said 55% was sufficient, another could only get 2000Mhz at 60% fanspeed.
 
extide said:

Lol, I love how they brag about this, but them skimped out on the actual final cards .. The PCB has traces for dual fets on each phase BUT THEY ARE ONLY USING ONE!

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See those small black chips on the right of the big square chokes (they have R22 on them), those are the fet's, those are actually what switches on and off the power. (Very quickly, of course, in the Khz probably but I would have to hook it to my scope to see). See how there is only one next to each choke...

FAIL! Lol. I mean that's almost straight up false advertising.

And as far as the bit about extra capacitance on the filtering network, you can see that they have traces for another cap on the right side near the power connector. I mean, this one is a little bit less of a lie, because they may have indeed increased the capacitance vs previous cards, but obviously they are pinching pennies here, I mean seriously another poly cap like that is a few cents.

I mean obviously the card works fine, but I really have an issue with them SPECIFICALLY claiming they are using dual fets on the phases .. and then not.
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Yep, the PCB is designed to handle up to a 6+2 power phase but they went for 5+1. Being an optimist, this could actually bode well for the Ti and or Titan version.
 
Armenius said:
Sure. The Titan X was very quiet with the default fan curve, too, but turn that sucker up to 11 in order to actually get respectable Boost clocks, let alone a decent overclock, and you are quickly teleported back to the days of the 5800 Ultra. It's a small fan that goes up to 5500 RPM, so I'm sure you could imagine the noise it can make.
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so?? are you replying to me or the guy I was replying to? we basically said the same thing...
 
Armenius said:
Yep, the PCB is designed to handle up to a 6+2 power phase but they went for 5+1. Being an optimist, this could actually bode well for the Ti and or Titan version.
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Yeah that was curious. Because the Titan D and 1080ti would have HBM2 I would think... And the board would change completely anyways. Unless there's going to be a stop gap?

Everyone is all crazy about the power limit, it's like they forget the 980ti/Titan X could only do 1300 without BIOs modding or soldering the power resistor. I like soldering over the power resistor personally.
 
Dayaks said:
Yeah that was curious. Because the Titan D and 1080ti would have HBM2 I would think... And the board would change completely anyways. Unless there's going to be a stop gap?
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Well I have the feeling the Ti version is going to be this GP102 we've heard about, and could very well end up using GDDR5X. NVIDIA might be reserving HBM2 for Titan (GP100), alone, to justify potentially pricing the Ti at $1,000 and the Titan at $1,400. But I'm just shooting my mouth off, at this point. An increase in price was pretty much all but guaranteed given the difficulties of moving down to 16nm FinFET.
 
Every review I've seen had the 1080 and 980 SLI very close. The 980 SLI usually won, but not by much. And those tended to be non-overclocked 1080s (and 980s too, to be fair).
 
schizo said:
Looks like the reference card is power-constrained, so probably not, actually.
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Power constrained coupled with boost 3.0 bios limitations. Both + WC need to be added for this thing to really stretch it's legs. I've got my own custom bios on my Titan X's that remove boost and at 1500 MHz, they're not much slower (if at all) than a 1080 at boost speeds.
 
Dayaks said:
Yeah that was curious. Because the Titan D and 1080ti would have HBM2 I would think... And the board would change completely anyways. Unless there's going to be a stop gap?

Everyone is all crazy about the power limit, it's like they forget the 980ti/Titan X could only do 1300 without BIOs modding or soldering the power resistor. I like soldering over the power resistor personally.
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I think a 1080 Ti running gddr5x and a 384 bit bus and a Titan V running HBM2 (and maybe watercooling) to show off the tech would be cool personally (and help justify the extra cost of the Titan over the Ti).

Also... My Titan X does 1450 all day with the stock bios with 1500 achievable in every game I've played except GTA V.

P.S.
Why not use coollaboratory liquid pro on the resistor instead of solder so you can remove it if you need to RMA?
 
extide said:

Lol, I love how they brag about this, but them skimped out on the actual final cards .. The PCB has traces for dual fets on each phase BUT THEY ARE ONLY USING ONE!

See those small black chips on the right of the big square chokes (they have R22 on them), those are the fet's, those are actually what switches on and off the power. (Very quickly, of course, in the Khz probably but I would have to hook it to my scope to see). See how there is only one next to each choke...

FAIL! Lol. I mean that's almost straight up false advertising.

And as far as the bit about extra capacitance on the filtering network, you can see that they have traces for another cap on the right side near the power connector. I mean, this one is a little bit less of a lie, because they may have indeed increased the capacitance vs previous cards, but obviously they are pinching pennies here, I mean seriously another poly cap like that is a few cents.

I mean obviously the card works fine, but I really have an issue with them SPECIFICALLY claiming they are using dual fets on the phases .. and then not.
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The board looks like it was "fleeced" by NVIDIA's best and brightest bean counters... translation... they have to spend less to make the GTX 1080 8GB when compared to the older GTX 980 4GB.

I though that the Founder's Edition cards were only those branded & sold directly by NVIDIA, or trough partners such as BestBuy. Now I see that everyone is labeling the reference design as Founder's Edition, despited the fact that you don't get the same kind of service and support from each AIB partner (PNY, Zotac, I'm looking at you).

So all in all Founder's Edition looks like a good excuse to up-charge for a mid range card. This is pure greed, and many will happily fork over $699+tax and shipping for a card that replaces a $549 card - the GTX 980 - that actually launched with an MSRP of $499 - but had its price increased due to demand.

I have also seen garbage like this: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 * FOUNDERS EDITION * ( PRE-ORDER ) -> Preorder your GTX 1080 8GB for *only* $1799.99 - only 4 available.

I am an enthusiast, I love to upgrade, I like new tech, but I won't join the frenzy. Maybe I'll get a pair in August - September or just wait for the 1080 Ti.

I bet that there will be less of a frenzy around the GTX 1080 Ti because they will be more expensive.

Still, $699 for a GTX 980 replacement... pfeeew...
 
Solhokuten said:
I would love to see those #s. Link please
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Look at 7:52 here:

schizo said:
Gotta pay to play, hombre!
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I understand that, but if we quietly play along then we'll continue to feed NVIDIA's greed. Of course, if AMD had a solid product, they would have done the same. Just look how they priced the Radeon Pro Duo at $1499... of course, no one is buying it. You could buy two Nano's for $1000 and still have money left over for a nice long weekend vacation... or a decent CPU + motherboard combo.
 
Competition drives prices down. AMD missteps are why NV prices are so high today. That's one major reason why I don't get people that champion one side or the other-- even if you weren't breastfed as a baby and feel a close, warm, personal connection with nvidia, you should still root for AMD to stay in the game.
 
What I don't understand about all of this is that clock for clock pascal seem slower than Maxwell? I mean as an overall package it is faster for sure. However why did it take a 70%-ish increase in clock speed to achieve a 30%-ish increase in performance?

When the Radeon 290 and 290x came out they caught a lot of flak for having to be run to their thermal limits to get to their performance levels. Why that isn't what is happening here it does seem to be that clocks had to be vastly cranked up to get better performance.

Clock for clock I don't think Pascal has what Maxwell has.

Am I crazy?
 
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I really wish Nvidia would have just priced the card at $699 and had the cheaper AIB reference cards be a surprise so we could avoid this whole argument about the Founders Edition pricing. But I guess then we would just have a multitude more people bitching that $700 is too much. This is capitalism... Nvidia is going to price the card at what the market will bear. If you want to be angry... Be angry that there's no competition to give Nvidia a reason to price the card differently.
 
schizo said:
Competition drives prices down. AMD missteps are why NV prices are so high today. That's one major reason why I don't get people that champion one side or the other-- even if you weren't breastfed as a baby and feel a close, warm, personal connection with nvidia, you should still root for AMD to stay in the game.
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I recently built several workstations around the X99/5930K platform with 64GB DDR4 2133 each. I looked at AMD and really wanted to go with one of their cards, however nothing that AMD had to offer was compelling. Power hungry and slower than NVIDIA. The Fury X is an unfinished product that comes with an AIO liquid cooling solution attached to it... no thanks. Looking at AMD's bad choices, they seem to follow a model of bad management and incompetence. The only people rooting for AMD these days are those greedy Apple execs that get AMD chips for iMacs and Mabook Pro's for next to nothing.

While we're on the subject, do you guys remember when the first iPhone launched at $599 and everyone bitched at Apple for doing that, to the point that Apple dropped the price to $399? Never mind that in 2016 consumers have no issue to pay around $800 for an iPhone 6S.

I find it funny that no one is bitching at NVIDIA for this "Founder's Edition" crap. If they wanted $699 at launch they should have charged that, and 90 days down the road they should have lowered the price to $599. Of course, that would create a lot of issues with price matching and return policies. Yeah, as stupid as it is, this move is pure genius on their part.
 
Nobody's bitching? I think pretty much everybody is bitching. Kyle here is the most receptive human to it on the entire internet, and his review talks about AIB cards with better cooling performing better in two separate places.
 
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