Show your CRT(s) setups!

KG-Prime90 said:
144Hz on lcd isn't as good as crt at half the Hz still today in 2016. I think you have gone blind from staring at lcd garbage. Nice that you like your Chinese plastic toy Gsync monitors but simply put and by all measurement, a good crt still destroys them.
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thats why everyone is using a CRT today

i think you are delusional and just never owned a real good LED

Let me guess you watch movies on your CRT too and have a Sony CRT trinitron in your living room
 
KG-Prime90 said:
144Hz on lcd isn't as good as crt at half the Hz still today in 2016. I think you have gone blind from staring at lcd garbage. Nice that you like your Chinese plastic toy Gsync monitors but simply put and by all measurement, a good crt still destroys them.
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not blind here,

i have owned some of the best televisions made and CRTs since 1995. I have 20/15 eyesight and now own two Acer Xb270hu LED 60watt each calibrated with i1display pro. Lets see at 2560x1440 that gives me 54" of screen realestate on my desk running at 144hz on the desktop. I wonder how many CRTs at 19" 1280x1024 would take to match my screen real estate. Lets not forget wattage i only pull about 50-60 watts on each screen at 120 cdm2

If you have to use a CRT for your main pc gaming monitor in 2016 i feel sorry for you.
now that i think about it
I think it would take about 6 CRTs and about 700-800 watts to match my setup

420lbs on the desk vs 20 lbs
hmm i think i will need to invest in a better desk too. Oh and upgrade my circuit breaker to run two 20amp circuits to my office. Because my 980tis are pulling 600-750 watts in SLI , i am getting close to tripping that breaker with 6 CRTs at 700-800 watts.
 
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UnrealCpu said:
thats why everyone is using a CRT today

i think you are delusional and just never owned a real good LED

Let me guess you watch movies on your CRT too and have a Sony CRT trinitron in your living room
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Yep.
And i can watch Iron Man on an 80" and see the massive difference, blur and ghosting that neither an Fw900 has nor the Sony Trinitron in the corner.

However we are talking about PC monitors. Not Tvs. So your plasma in the conversation is irrelevant.

I would take 1 fw900 for all your stuff, no question.

Weight? I don't even know why that factors in, i can lift 100 lbs, lol. And it never moves anyway. Size? Don't care. I don't want or need a 60" inch plasma for my pc, nor 27" glow fest either. Two mediocre ips displays do not interest me. Are they better than 7 years ago? In performance yes, in everything else and quality, not so much. It's fine man, I have seen 120Hz 144HZ displays, they are "good enough" for some things and not even close for others. In general they aren't worth the money they cost or the plastic they are made of.
 
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UnrealCpu said:
not blind here,

i have owned some of the best televisions made and CRTs since 1995. I have 20/15 eyesight and now own two Acer Xb270hu LED 60watt each calibrated with i1display pro. Lets see at 2560x1440 that gives me 54" of screen realestate on my desk running at 144hz on the desktop. I wonder how many CRTs at 19" 1280x1024 would take to match my screen real estate. Lets not forget wattage i only pull about 50-60 watts on each screen at 120 cdm2

If you have to use a CRT for your main pc gaming monitor in 2016 i feel sorry for you.
now that i think about it
I think it would take about 6 CRTs and about 700-800 watts to match my setup

420lbs on the desk vs 20 lbs
hmm i think i will need to invest in a better desk too.
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LED-LCD's still have terrible IQ in a number of categories even after all these years. As someone who's had the "best televisions made," you have to admit that much. Your XB270HU hits about 1000:1 contrast fully calibrated, even worse in ULMB mode. Other LCD's have better contrast, but look worse in terms of viewing angles. Even at 144 hz, your IPS's grey-to-grey transition times are still slow enough to cause motion blur and ghosting, hence why it cannot be strobed at a full 120 hz. LCD's have far exceeded the CRT's of old in color reproduction and accuracy, but that's another thing your gaming IPS cannot do on its own. So that's already three more different types of LCD you'll need if you want high-contrast, low motion blur and accurate colors. Your plasma might be able to pull off most of the above, but that's if you can stand 30 ms of input lag for gaming. So now you're up to maybe 4-5 different displays. Most desks that aren't completely made of fiberboard can handle a few hundred pounds, but you'll still need a big one for all those monitors (assuming you wall-mount the plasma). That's the trade-off for your 50-60 watts of power. If you need to save energy, turn off the lights, I say.
 
@UnrealCpu
awesome pictures
another thing LCD's can't do
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XoR_ said:
@UnrealCpu
awesome pictures
another thing LCD's can't do
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i am sure there is alot more that LED/LCD can do vs a CRT hence why the market is not based off this technology and that CRT is a dead technology.
but anyway have fun with your CRT setups
been there done that
I still own one for a retro PC that is 16-18 years old
 
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my main computer monitors are 27" 2560x1440p
144hz IPS-AH calibrated gsync monitors for all my other 2000+ steam games.
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That's a nice setup. The thing is, I don't take computer games that seriously to buy dual 980ti to run +500€ monitors (I don't even have enough gpu power to move some games at 1080p :D ) That's why I love my crt, any resolution looks great.
 
aeliusg said:
LED-LCD's still have terrible IQ in a number of categories even after all these years. As someone who's had the "best televisions made," you have to admit that much.
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For someone who favors CRTs so much were you the guy who tried to get everyone in the forum to develop or bring them back?
Because in this day and age in computer technology we need 800x600 at 240hz
makes games just so much better on a tiny screen with blurry text.

Your XB270HU hits about 1000:1 contrast fully calibrated, even worse in ULMB mode. Other LCD's have better contrast, but look worse in terms of viewing angles. Even at 144 hz, your IPS's grey-to-grey transition times are still slow enough to cause motion blur and ghosting, hence why it cannot be strobed at a full 120 hz. LCD's have far exceeded the CRT's of old in color reproduction and accuracy, but that's another thing your gaming IPS cannot do on its own.
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My XB270HU blows away any CRT made hence why nvidia chose to put gsync in it . obviously if color reproduction was such a big factor CRT would still be sitting on 99.9 percent of hardocp users. You are the .1 percent who probably cant afford a real good LED monitor. Ever read NCX reviews? Best and smartest kid on the planet when it comes to display technology. Maybe you should because I dont see him sporting a CRT on his desk as his main gaming rig monitor.

So that's already three more different types of LCD you'll need if you want high-contrast, low motion blur and accurate colors. Your plasma might be able to pull off most of the above, but that's if you can stand 30 ms of input lag for gaming. So now you're up to maybe 4-5 different displays. Most desks that aren't completely made of fiberboard can handle a few hundred pounds, but you'll still need a big one for all those monitors (assuming you wall-mount the plasma). That's the trade-off for your 50-60 watts of power. If you need to save energy, turn off the lights, I say.
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So whats your point , everyone in America should have a CRT in their living rooms? Thats funny
Funny last time i checked TV of the year was a OLED based of LED technology.
Again you are delusional

and i can tell you from viewing a basic OLED LG 50" set at best buy the black levels and overall video presentation will destroy any CRT made.
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Blutrache said:
That's a nice setup. The thing is, I don't take computer games that seriously to buy dual 980ti to run +500€ monitors (I don't even have enough gpu power to move some games at 1080p :D ) That's why I love my crt, any resolution looks great.
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And thats why i am using a SGI 21" CRT for my retro AMD K6-3 computer to have to relive my 1992-2002 gaming experiences . The one thing CRT is good at is displaying "ultra low resolutions" :)

Voodoo 5500 would look great at 1280x1080 on a CRT
 
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CRTs are better than any other tech, both as monitors, TVs and projectors. People wanting screens over 40" can get CRT projectors. If you do not like CRTs, why post in a thread about them?
 
rabidz7 said:
CRTs are better than any other tech, both as monitors, TVs and projectors. People wanting screens over 40" can get CRT projectors. If you do not like CRTs, why post in a thread about them?
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lol this thread is funny and illogical for this type of forum. Shouldnt you be posting in some retro forum? I can recommend one VOGONS forum
http://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/Main_Page
Welcome to VOGONS Wiki, a reference site covering vintage computer hardware used for playing games that don't run correctly on modern computers.

Since most of you have admitted you run ultra low resolutions and game on CRTs this site is best suited for you, especially since you like vintage monitors that not even the goodwill take anymore.


and you are wrong about CRT being better than other TV /monitor tech. The benefits of current display technology outweigh anything CRT has to really offer.

Once of the reasons why Arcades died. No one could care less about playing a games on a 21 " CRT vs a 50" 4k display
Games were great on CRT back in the day but not today
 
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Broomed my 21" CRTs years ago.

My back misses them not at all...
 
UnrealCpu said:
i am sure there is alot more that LED/LCD can do vs a CRT hence why the market is not based off this technology and that CRT is a dead technology.
but anyway have fun with your CRT setups
been there done that
I still own one for a retro PC that is 16-18 years old
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maybe so but LCD will never become cat house :D

why the CRT hate? :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
I have a feeling this guy's experiences with the "best TV's ever made" have been limited to the Best Buy showroom. Give us a side-by-side picture of your F8500 and your XB270HU (two?), and let's see how good the latter looks.

LCD's took over from CRT and then plasma because they're cheap. Cheap to produce, cheap to buy. Simple as that.

My XB270HU blows away any CRT made hence why nvidia chose to put gsync in it .
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I don't know what to say to this one. :confused: :D
 
This is a thread about CRT's..if your not interested in CRT's stay out of the thread.
 
20 glorious years of no panel glow, motion blur, off center gamma shift, light bleed, gradient banding, input lag, tearing, stuttering, scaling issues, dithering issues, panel lottery, matte jizz coatings or 16:9. No Gsync needed. No half working ULMB needed.
Though Adaptive half refresh does work on fw900.

All with high dpi, high refresh, 19-21" 4:3 to 22.5" 16:10, high resolution, true high contrast, excellent to industry leading color fidelity, unmatched clarity in motion and contrast no lcd made in 2016 can match. All on a single VGA cable.
Less than 2k spent in 20 years on displays, and no compromises.
And over a decade basking in this behemoths glow. Money well spent.
Currently out of service, but no eulogy said yet.
Just an LG G2 point and click cell phone pic. :cool:
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Just a little hint to you folks, there's an ignore feature that this forum has on tap. :D

Here's my current setup:



Sony GDM-F520 purchased from Unkle Vito almost two years ago. Good monitor. 0.22mm aperture grille, baby. Does 1920x1440 85hz normal desktop usage easily. Everything, even at that resolution, is sharp and clear. EDIT: He hooked me up with an L50 (Artisan) bezel. Looks wonderful. I've so far calibrated it twice since I've had it - routine maintenance is all.
 
aeliusg said:
Sorry, the link was to the thread in general. Information is pretty well-dispersed in there, so I wouldn't bother with it unless you've actually bought the monitor or have the time to go through it - and into the rabbit hole. There's a Sony maintenance utility called Win DAS or WinDAS that was cracked for general usage which allows for low-level calibration of all desktop Trinitron units. Spacediver (the user you replied to above) has made a very good guide for the white-point balance procedure available in this software.

The listings you see on Ebay were made by one Unkle Vito, known as LAGRUNAUER on these forums. He calibrates them to factory spec and also supplies critical parts for these monitors. Those prices don't necessarily reflect on the condition of the monitor you are purchasing from any other individual. It may be that they were tired of the monitor taking up space or using too much energy or expelling too much heat, as it were. Perhaps they aren't confident enough to charge so much for a monitor that is yet more than a decade old.

As I said, I'd ignore any superficial damage that the monitor may have and make sure that the tube itself is bright enough at a reasonable setting (the defaults are 31 brightness, 90 contrast). Focus pops refer to the monitor coming in and out of focus along with a popping noise, typically associated with a flyback transformer that is on its way out. There may or may not be a burning smell. Still, at that price, I might take the risk as long as the display does not die completely during the viewing period.
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I supply the Hollywood industry and worldwide Grade A+ Sony monitors (GDM, LMD, BVM and SDM lines).

By Grade A+, means FLAWLESS screen, fully calibrated and adjusted to Sony factory specs, and defect/fault free. All of my units have less than 3,000 hours of use on the tubes, and some less than 300 hours. A few times, I secured brand new units.

Also, we are a full service repair and calibration outfit.

Hope this helps...

Sincerely,

Unkle Vito!
 
LAGRUNAUER said:
I supply the Hollywood industry and worldwide Grade A+ Sony monitors (GDM, LMD, BVM and SDM lines).

By Grade A+, means FLAWLESS screen, fully calibrated and adjusted to Sony factory specs, and defect/fault free. All of my units have less than 3,000 hours of use on the tubes, and some less than 300 hours. A few times, I secured brand new units.

Also, we are a full service repair and calibration outfit.

Hope this helps...

Sincerely,

Unkle Vito!
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Yes, indeed. There's no doubt as to the added value you offer, UV. For the price, even, it could be considered quite a deal. I noticed when you quoted me on the factory parts for one of my monitors that the cost did not exceed Sony's list back when they did still have stock. So for what are really rare items, you charge more than reasonably to us enthusiasts.
 
aeliusg said:
Yes, indeed. There's no doubt as to the added value you offer, UV. For the price, even, it could be considered quite a deal. I noticed when you quoted me on the factory parts for one of my monitors that the cost did not exceed Sony's list back when they did still have stock. So for what are really rare items, you charge more than reasonably to us enthusiasts.
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Thank you so much for your kind words!

Remember that beside being a CRT professional for so many years, I am also an enthusiast who only strive to keep the CRT technology and spirit up and running for a little while longer, while being fair and loyal to all my customers...

Thanks again,

UV!
 
LAGRUNAUER said:
Nothing beats the glass... Nothing...
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At least it's galaxies better than LCD and has the potential to be good enough for me not to cringe when I look at it. If they manage to improve on the motion aspect, it will be a good CRT successor until something truly better comes along.
 
Meeho said:
At least it's galaxies better than LCD and has the potential to be good enough for me not to cringe when I look at it. If they manage to improve on the motion aspect, it will be a good CRT successor until something truly better comes along.
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Not trolling: what was wrong with plasma, didn't that do almost as well as CRT?
 
@aeliusg and @eclypse I ended up not buying the FW900 yesterday.
I'm just back, the appointment was rescheduled for 5 this afternoon.
It was a joke!
The monitor had clearly been dropped. Case cracked, did not close properly anymore, and the tube was a little bit rotated in the cabinet. He said it slipped out of his hands and hit a table top but never fell on the floor. He turned on the monitor to prove his claim that all was OK. And I walked to safety. Never looked back.

Not making this any longer than is needed. Because I'm off-topic. Thanks for the tips though.
Waiting for the next chance for a cheap price.
 
icor1031 said:
Not trolling: what was wrong with plasma, didn't that do almost as well as CRT?
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Well, plasma is glass, too. But, unfortunately it's dead and gone as well. They were two different segments of the market - I'd take a large plasma TV over a rear-projection CRT, but, for desktop PC use, plasma was never going to be able to cut it because of burn-in and resolution and size limitations.


@illustrator, sorry to hear about that man's misadventure with his FW900. Shame he didn't tell you earlier about having dropped the damn thing. Hopefully, he hadn't done so in the process of preparing it for your showing. That would be tragic!
 
aeliusg said:
@illustrator, sorry to hear about that man's misadventure with his FW900. Shame he didn't tell you earlier about having dropped the damn thing. Hopefully, he hadn't done so in the process of preparing it for your showing. That would be tragic!
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That would have been really tragic yes. But he said that it had happened in July. Otherwise I would have been a bit more polite, and not walk out like that without saying goodbye.
 
Yeah, plasma was (arguably still is) the best for TVs, but couldn't be used for monitors. Even if it could, it would still have drawbacks compared to CRTs when it comes to motion and input lag.
 
This monitor doesn't see daily use but when I want to run my retro glide machine I run it on this Sony 21" E540 Trinitron , I also have the 19" version in the garage , always wanted to get one of the 24 inch monsters.
I wouldn't mind getting it calibrated.

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@Killahurtz: That's a sexy setup, it's nice and clean and super cable managed.

What's the specs on that machine? What do you play?
 
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