Wi-Fi 'Allergies': Is Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity Real?

Verge said:
Radio waves are everywhere.
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Heck; did you know we are bombarded with very dangerous radiation all that time that has KNOWN and proven to cause cancer??

Electrical grid? no.
Nuclear power? no.
Cell, TV, Radio transmission? no.
Climate change?? NO.

It is called the SUN

And it is 100% natural and there is nothing we can do about it except seek shelter from it.

So if your cell phone makes you tingle; get your head examined. The RF power that comes from it is infinitesimal compared to sources of natural radiation.
 
SCSI-Terminator said:
I used to work on fairly powerful microwave equipment (+40dB, or 10W) that operated in the 6GHz band right above the 5.8GHz unlicensed spectrum. I could tell when the transmitter was on without looking due to a slight tingling and small headache I would get when it was. But I was standing fairly close to the transmitter and waveguide, so the signals I "felt" were going to be much stronger than normal. Surprisingly, it only occurred for that frequency band, even thou we had other units that operated in 10, 11, 15, and 23GHz bands.

Anyway, I could see some people being sensitive, but I'll be honest, a normal microwave oven (which operates at 2.4GHz BTW) should probably cause more of a reaction than WiFi, which is at much much lower power levels.
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Yes well, when you spend your time irradiating yourself you will feel it.
 
Red Squirrel said:
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Wifi is very similar frequency as a microwave oven, and those cook food, so technically all these waves could very well be slightly heating up the water in our bodies. Mind you, we're talking fractions of watts, but perhaps some people are simply more sensitive to it where it actually does affect them.
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Microwaves are in the next band of the Em Spectrum up from Radio, wifi is Radio. But more importantly, just like a Laser can burn if under enough power, the same is true with microwaves and radio waves. Anything can hurt you if it's pumped out under enough power.

A Microwave oven usually runs from 600 - 1200 or even over 1800 watts.

My wireless router has a power input requirement of 19V at 1.75 Amps. Assuming 100% efficiency it's signal strength would be 19 x 1.75 = 37.05 watts of power. But it would be less then this in reality and start throwing in walls, brick, whatever else physical between you and a signal source and you get the picture.

Is it there, yes, the emissions are there. Are they enough to cause harm, maybe, but we have been around far stronger emitters in our daily lives for decades before now. Maybe the aggregate of so many emitters has a compounding effect. But mostly, I think your skin forms enough armor that it's just not going to cause you trouble until you reach power levels that are over what your body will protect you from.
 
Red Squirrel said:
Wifi is very similar frequency as a microwave oven, and those cook food, so technically all these waves could very well be slightly heating up the water in our bodies. Mind you, we're talking fractions of watts, but perhaps some people are simply more sensitive to it where it actually does affect them.
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Uhhhh, no.

If you are familiar with with any kind of high power microwave device works, it has to have a wave guide so the signal isn't self cancelling. In a oven it is this plus a tuned cavity for the waves to bounce around in and minimize self canceling.
This plus for microwaves to 'cook' anything you have to have a tuned, concentrated source at hundreds of watts at least.

This reminds me of the idiot that posted his "invention" on Youtube; a microwave ray gun. He had the internals of a microwave oven cobbled together; and the lashup was frightening dangerous. The anode of a microwave magnatron operates at 1500-2000v generally at high DC pulses. Touching this can KILL YOU INSTANTLY.
This moron had a bunch of twisted together uninsulated wires rigged up with a home made metal horn over the antenna of the magnatron. He turned it on and sparks started flying.
I was so beyond appalled at this, I and several other I knew partitioned Youtube to pull the video to save other "geniuses" from trying to repeat his suicidal antics.
 
Dr. Righteous said:
Heck; did you know we are bombarded with very dangerous radiation all that time that has KNOWN and proven to cause cancer??

Electrical grid? no.
Nuclear power? no.
Cell, TV, Radio transmission? no.
Climate change?? NO.

It is called the SUN

And it is 100% natural and there is nothing we can do about it except seek shelter from it.

So if your cell phone makes you tingle; get your head examined. The RF power that comes from it is infinitesimal compared to sources of natural radiation.
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I fell asleep at the pool, once :eek:
 
somecallmeTim said:
When my wife eats wheat, she gets a headache. No gut issues, no energy issues, just an annoying headache. But... only American wheat. We travel to Canada, or elsewhere... no headache. It's not the gluten, it's how it's grown, stored, processed - something in there is causing the headaches. It's quite odd as she loves bread... mmmm... bread. I've done blind tests making pancakes even :(
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You sir, may have proved again why double blinds have value
 
Dr. Righteous said:
Uhhhh, no.

If you are familiar with with any kind of high power microwave device works, it has to have a wave guide so the signal isn't self cancelling. In a oven it is this plus a tuned cavity for the waves to bounce around in and minimize self canceling.
This plus for microwaves to 'cook' anything you have to have a tuned, concentrated source at hundreds of watts at least.

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I have a questions for you. When you say" self canceling" are you talking about VSWR or something else.
 
lcpiper said:
Microwaves are in the next band of the Em Spectrum up from Radio, wifi is Radio. But more importantly, just like a Laser can burn if under enough power, the same is true with microwaves and radio waves. Anything can hurt you if it's pumped out under enough power.

A Microwave oven usually runs from 600 - 1200 or even over 1800 watts.

My wireless router has a power input requirement of 19V at 1.75 Amps. Assuming 100% efficiency it's signal strength would be 19 x 1.75 = 37.05 watts of power. But it would be less then this in reality and start throwing in walls, brick, whatever else physical between you and a signal source and you get the picture.

Is it there, yes, the emissions are there. Are they enough to cause harm, maybe, but we have been around far stronger emitters in our daily lives for decades before now. Maybe the aggregate of so many emitters has a compounding effect. But mostly, I think your skin forms enough armor that it's just not going to cause you trouble until you reach power levels that are over what your body will protect you from.
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Microwaves are noisy little sobs they hit a wide range of frequencies and the majority of the power they emit is caged by the inner walls of the unit that is why there is a steel mesh over the window and the box where the food goes is made of thick steel. Despite the shielding used some gets out and we have been using them for DECADES without issues...

If this allergy were real they would be in constant pain there are only a few rural areas and special no rf zones that exist.

Even the smallest of city you can generally go anywhere in the city and see 3-300 wireless ap i live in a modest sized town of 15,000 people and i see anywhere from 3 to 16 in addition we have a wireless provider in town that has a mesh network that covers the whole town. These are things we have in addition to AT&T and Verizon cellular service.

Now from 1961 until late 2010 we had broadcast tv in the air this operated at 30mhz to 3ghz and was broadcasting at up to 50,000 Watts we still have it except the bands are narrower and digital.

If your going to tell me someone can tell me if a 70 mW 2.4 ghz ap is running over the noise in the air already ill call you a liar.
 
ShamisOMally said:
You do know most of america buys an absolute crap load of canadian wheat right?
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It isn't just the wheat crop so much as how it is processed. The mass flour production industry in the USA grinds out all the health and flavors of wheat.
 
Why don't we give them a good news / bad news update:

Bad News: yes, it's real

Good News: Copper bracelets, Magnets and Crystals all seem to help people suffering from this disorder

...
 
Chas said:
Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity.

Basically, if someone tells you there's electromagnetism in the area, you get all hyper-sensitive and bitchy about how it's doing bad things to you.
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LMAO. Accurate.

I won't deny this might be a real thing, but I highly doubt it. I'd have them walk through a 100 linked room, some with and some without, and each room is shielded to the other, then have them tell which one they felt bad in.

That sounds like something to truly test it. Any less than a 100 seems like it might be plausible for a chance at guessing.
 
Steve said:
How many of you believe that electromagnetic hypersensitivity is really causing people to get sick? How many of you think that it is all in your head?
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Why can't it be both? Its all in people's heads and its making them physically sick. If people feel that something is harming them strong enough, I believe it can negatively effect their health to some degree. One thing that Western medical science IMO drastically overlooks is how treatments make people FEEL.

Ancient witch doctors may have only had an effective treatment for a very limited amount of medical issues, but by claiming to be able to heal just about anything, it made the patients feel cared for and lifted their spirits giving them hope.

We know for a fact that placebos work, which is why we account for them in drug testing, but it seems like only lately do we focus on trying to make patients feel good in hospitals.
 
Dr. Righteous said:
Heck; did you know we are bombarded with very dangerous radiation all that time that has KNOWN and proven to cause cancer??

Electrical grid? no.
Nuclear power? no.
Cell, TV, Radio transmission? no.
Climate change?? NO.

It is called the SUN

And it is 100% natural and there is nothing we can do about it except seek shelter from it.

So if your cell phone makes you tingle; get your head examined. The RF power that comes from it is infinitesimal compared to sources of natural radiation.
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As a ginger, I am well aware of it's dangers. :D
 
Most EM sensitivity is pure baloney. This goes way back into the 90's; I had a computer case with a big window in it, a few led's, and fans you could see running. My family and many of their friends claim to be EM sensitive. So, I would invite them into my computer room and we'd 'do a test'. They would come in with everything off. Then, I'd power on the computer to see what effect it would have. But only the led's and fans were set to run, off of a cheap model train power supply (which was always on during this, so the only variable was a few leds and fans). Every damn one of them said that they could 'feel it' when I switched on the magical PC. Every single one. I never told them it was a fake test, because I knew the anger it would generate, besides, they liked to believe that EM radiation was causing their whole life's problems.

But it was all BS. Every bit. At least I proved that my family mostly a bunch of nutcases. I of course cannot be sure, but I'd be willing to bet my life's savings that at least 90% of the people who claim EM sensitivity are full of crap.
 
nightfly said:
Most EM sensitivity is pure baloney. This goes way back into the 90's; I had a computer case with a big window in it, a few led's, and fans you could see running. My family and many of their friends claim to be EM sensitive. So, I would invite them into my computer room and we'd 'do a test'. They would come in with everything off. Then, I'd power on the computer to see what effect it would have. But only the led's and fans were set to run, off of a cheap model train power supply (which was always on during this, so the only variable was a few leds and fans). Every damn one of them said that they could 'feel it' when I switched on the magical PC. Every single one. I never told them it was a fake test, because I knew the anger it would generate, besides, they liked to believe that EM radiation was causing their whole life's problems.

But it was all BS. Every bit. At least I proved that my family mostly a bunch of nutcases. I of course cannot be sure, but I'd be willing to bet my life's savings that at least 90% of the people who claim EM sensitivity are full of crap.
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90% seems a bit low 99.999999% or straight up 100% is probably accurate...
 
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