PS4’s PS2 Emulation Won’t Support Discs Or PS3 Digital Purchases

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Greediness awaits. It seems that Sony would like for you to pay for your games all over again.

…a blurb running under the trailer on YouTube, which has now been pulled, included the line "PS2 Classics and PS2-formatted discs are incompatible with the PS4 system."
 
Ouch >_> and I was going hyped for this. Oh well I will just buy ps4 or PS5 when final fantasy 7 comes out :)
 
I doubt that the emulation is done without some modification to the game code like what's done on the XB1 emulation. There's just not enough performance to truly emulate the PS2 hardware. I know there's a youtube video out there claiming it's emulating the original game as it is, but just because the interface and save mechanism wasn't altered, it doesn't at all prove that the game code wasn't translated prior to being emulated.

In addition, the original PS2 games are not designed to run in 1080p format either. Games can glitch when forced to run in widescreen mode.
 
I am shocked I tell you, shocked. How could a company who needs all the money it can get want more money in this fashion? Wait.....
 
Heh heh. I am surprised that anyone could be surprised.

However, Sony saying the discs can't run in the ps4 is, I am sure true.

It would be cool if you could trade in games at GameStop for a digital code for a small fee.

Heh, never happen
 
Sony wants you to rebuy old PS2 games and they charge 50 bucks a year to use multiplayer lol i'll stick with my PC and PS3.
 
Hornet said:
There's just not enough performance to truly emulate the PS2 hardware.
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I know little about emulation. But, judging from PCSX2 and others, it should be able to emulate PS2 hardware. PCSX2 is done by hobbists, guessing and trial and error. Having the exact hardware and software specs would make it a ton better. Sony COULD emulate the PS2 on the PS4. I just think they choose not to. Either for putting in the R&D to get it done, or to control the flow of games (almost have to as you'd have to support the playability of the whole library) or whatever other reason. Performance would be my last guess.
 
They emulated the PS1 on the PSP. They could definitely emulate the PS2 on the PS4 if they wanted to, especially considering there was decent PS2 emulation on PCs 7 years ago.
 
PCMasterRace doesn't have this problem.
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Hah! I was gonna bring that very thing up. MY PS2 is in my garage somewhere, and I just use PCSX2. Not only can I run it, I can just rip the game, and play it from my harddrive, superbly decreasing load time by at the very least 60% percent!
 
DukenukemX said:
PCMasterRace doesn't have this problem.
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Don't promote piracy under the guise of pc master race bullshit.

Back on topic. I guess this means I'll be keeping my backward's compatible PS3's for those games.
 
Really funny how tables have turned a bit. PS4 was definitively more pro consumer than xbone and at announced/launch. Now that they have had their teeth kicked in a bit, it seems that xbone has cleaned up its act and swung the other way (with disc based backward compatibility and all)
 
cthulhuiscool said:
Really funny how tables have turned a bit. PS4 was definitively more pro consumer than xbone and at announced/launch. Now that they have had their teeth kicked in a bit, it seems that xbone has cleaned up its act and swung the other way (with disc based backward compatibility and all)
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Dekoth-E- said:
Don't promote piracy under the guise of pc master race bullshit.

Back on topic. I guess this means I'll be keeping my backward's compatible PS3's for those games.
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Emulators =/= Piracy... Sure downloading roms is piracy, but I use emulators for rips I make of my own discs so I can get better resolution, framerate, mods, etc.
 
my excitement went from 100 to 0 as soon as I read they were just trying to milk more money out of their fanvase. Microsoft did the right thing with their backward compatibility. No way in hell am I going to re-buy a 10-15 year old game. I'll just use an emulator on the computer.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
Don't promote piracy under the guise of pc master race bullshit.

Back on topic. I guess this means I'll be keeping my backward's compatible PS3's for those games.
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Emulators aren't piracy nor are they illegal. It's the only thing that keeps older games alive.
 
cthulhuiscool said:
Emulators =/= Piracy... Sure downloading roms is piracy, but I use emulators for rips I make of my own discs so I can get better resolution, framerate, mods, etc.
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Downloading ROMS is NOT illegal (Sony v Universal says 'a backup is a backup is a backup'), but sharing them is.
 
The PS 2 used standard DVDs for its game disks. I can't see the PS 4 being unable to recognize standard DVDs (it can). That means that the PS 4 should have no *hardware* limitations on reading PS 2 game disks. So, it's really just a matter of whether or not Sony wants its software emulator to use data from PS 2 disks when emulating PS 2 games on the PS 4.
 
Madoc said:
The PS 2 used standard DVDs for its game disks. I can't see the PS 4 being unable to recognize standard DVDs (it can). That means that the PS 4 should have no *hardware* limitations on reading PS 2 game disks. So, it's really just a matter of whether or not Sony wants its software emulator to use data from PS 2 disks when emulating PS 2 games on the PS 4.
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yep. like microsoft is doing w/ xbox one and xbox 360. put in an xbox360 dvd, you'll get the game playable on your xbox one for free.
 
cthulhuiscool said:
Really funny how tables have turned a bit. PS4 was definitively more pro consumer than xbone and at announced/launch. Now that they have had their teeth kicked in a bit, it seems that xbone has cleaned up its act and swung the other way (with disc based backward compatibility and all)
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Which still doesnt make sense. If MS had launched with the attitude they have now or even the 360 launch attitude, sales wise would be different.. albeit i think either way the ps4 would lead, better hardware, but not quite the demanding lead.. MS did quite a bit right with 360......
 
cthulhuiscool said:
Emulators =/= Piracy... Sure downloading roms is piracy, but I use emulators for rips I make of my own discs so I can get better resolution, framerate, mods, etc.
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It is a violation of the license agreement to run PS2 games in an emulator.
 
DF-1 said:
yep. like microsoft is doing w/ xbox one and xbox 360. put in an xbox360 dvd, you'll get the game playable on your xbox one for free.
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Not completely how it works. You are not playing the game from a disk. You are using it to validate a digital copy as being allowed to run. This digital copy has been reworked to run on the Xbox one. But yes, they could have done similar.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
Don't promote piracy under the guise of pc master race bullshit.

Back on topic. I guess this means I'll be keeping my backward's compatible PS3's for those games.
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Eh, I don't think he was promoting piracy. I have been playing PS1 and PS2 games on emulators for years, even prior to getting a PS3. Always from disk. I have had 2 BC PS3's and they both ended up getting YLOD and are no longer repairable so I'm back to using emulators for PS2 and PS1 games. PS3 games I just don't play anymore. PS Now pricing is an utter ripoff and although I still have a decent # of PS3 discs I don't know of any good emulators for it at present.
 
damicatz said:
It is a violation of the license agreement to run PS2 games in an emulator.
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I highly doubt such a license is legally binding, especially considering there is not even a basic clickwrap agreement presented when you run a game. I've never agreed to such a license or clicked any buttons that would enter me into a contract when playing a PS2 game.
 
StormUP said:
Eh, I don't think he was promoting piracy. I have been playing PS1 and PS2 games on emulators for years, even prior to getting a PS3. Always from disk. I have had 2 BC PS3's and they both ended up getting YLOD and are no longer repairable so I'm back to using emulators for PS2 and PS1 games. PS3 games I just don't play anymore. PS Now pricing is an utter ripoff and although I still have a decent # of PS3 discs I don't know of any good emulators for it at present.
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Let's be real a minute here and not try to dance around it. You and I both know that emu's are used primarily to pirate games. While emulators in themselves are not illegal and nor should they be. Very few who use them are going to be able to stand there and honestly claim they never download roms they don't already own.
 
StormUP said:
I highly doubt such a license is legally binding, especially considering there is not even a basic clickwrap agreement presented when you run a game. I've never agreed to such a license or clicked any buttons that would enter me into a contract when playing a PS2 game.
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It is legally binding on the basis that they have more lawyers than you do.

Also, PCSX2 requires a working PS2 BIOS. How much do you want to bet that the majority of people using PCSX2 just downloaded a bootleg copy off the internet?
 
damicatz said:
It is legally binding on the basis that they have more lawyers than you do.

Also, PCSX2 requires a working PS2 BIOS. How much do you want to bet that the majority of people using PCSX2 just downloaded a bootleg copy off the internet?
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Which would have to be proven. If you own a PS2 you can rip your own BIOS it's very simple. No one is going to come after you.
 
damicatz said:
It is legally binding on the basis that they have more lawyers than you do.

Also, PCSX2 requires a working PS2 BIOS. How much do you want to bet that the majority of people using PCSX2 just downloaded a bootleg copy off the internet?
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Pretty sure downloading it isn't illegal if you have it already. The person sharing it though, would be.
 
pothb said:
Pretty sure downloading it isn't illegal if you have it already. The person sharing it though, would be.
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It would have to be the exact same version that is on your PS2.

Let's not kid ourselves here : The vast majority of people are not going to be buying a PS2 just to rip the BIOS and those that have a PS2 aren't likely to be bothered.
 
damicatz said:
Let's not kid ourselves here : The vast majority of people are not going to be buying a PS2 just to rip the BIOS and those that have a PS2 aren't likely to be bothered.
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If it's available online in a few seconds, yea I'll go that route. I own several PS2's, and could rip the BIOS if I wanted. I could also play the games on the machine (which I do). But, having one system to do it all, along with filters, etc. is worth the emulator effort.

I wouldn't buy an arcade cab to rip a ROM, either. Even if I did, I wouldn't bother to manually rip it. I'd download it in 15 seconds online.
 
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