i3-6300 vs 7870K

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i3-6300 vs 7870K


I will be building the PC in an ITX Case for my nephew.

Now, i need help choosing the right CPU. I want a fast system for him that is capable of some gaming but to be honest that is not a priority for him as he is not interested in getting a sep Graphics card. Good bang for buck i want for him but also the 'better' cpu. Having a CPU that can game is a bonus.

I have already chosen other components but CPU and motherboard is in the air as is the ram as i know one uses DDR3 and the other DDR4.

So, any help? Thanks
 
what is he really planing to do with the machine?.. the i3 6300 in the CPU side its way faster than the A10 7870K, but the 7870K have better integrated GPU... so it will be able to offer better gaming performance, however both are crap at deliver anywhere good gaming, they are barely able to do 720P low-med settings at about 30FPS-40FPS.

for daily task usage the i3 6300 will be a better choice in every aspect.
 
Thanks.

He will be using it for uni work but wanted a game a little on it. Not much though. He wants the best CPU out of the 2
 
Best option would be pick the i3 6300 and later pick a cheap discreteGPU AMD R9 380 will do a great job for him for occasional gaming with high quality settings and good FPS...
 
koolpc said:
Can you give me some examples of how it is far superior please? Thanks
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as the 6300 its too recent hardly to find reviews comparing each but follow this one at anandtech comparing to an i3 4330 which its 2 generations older than Skylake.. so add about 10-15% to the i3 4330 and you will be in the i3 6300 territory.
 
Slightly better is the right word? I thought the AP was quite a bit better in Gaming? (Integrated only)
 
Between these two processors if he is going to do ANY GAMING the A10 is the best choice if discrete graphics is not an option.
 
koolpc said:
I want a fast system for him that is capable of some gaming but to be honest that is not a priority for him as he is not interested in getting a sep Graphics card. Good bang for buck i want for him but also the 'better' cpu.
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Better gaming capability w/out wanting a discrete graphics card favors the 7870k. But wanting the better/faster cpu favors the Intel.

Your decision will come down to better graphics vs. a much faster cpu. Given the build's purpose (sounds like a general workstation, w/possibility of gaming), I'm not sure if the faster cpu would be noticeable, but the better iGPU favors gaming possibilities.

koolpc said:
... CPU and motherboard is in the air as is the ram...
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If you go w/the 7870k, get the fastest ram you can afford. Here's my Amazon review w/minor benchmarks regarding improvements I saw w/my A10-7800 w/1333 vs. 2133 memory.

koolpc said:
He will be using it for uni work but wanted to game a little on it.
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The 7870k can easily handle a work station build. I bought my A10-7800 for exactly that purpose. I'm a software developer (C++, database, web development, etc.) that also does novice-level graphic work. I also prioritize simplicity and silence in all my builds; being able to ditch a discrete gpu played into those very well. So I feel the A10-7800 is a perfect fit for my work station. It's a triple monitor setup that puts in 4-12 hours a day of development w/out any issues. The 7870k is a small step better than the 7800, so it'll do even better.

I don't have experience w/Intel's integrated graphics though, so they may do just as well for a workstation, but likely w/less gaming capability than the 7870k.
 
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... both are barely able to do 720P low-med settings at about 30FPS-40FPS.
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Not sure if it affects anyone's gaming experience or opinions w/the high APUs, but this video shows a guy hitting 30-40 fps reliably in 1080p, and 60+ fps in 720p. I'm not a gamer though, so I'm unsure of how much some of the settings he has affect things.
 
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Not sure if it affects anyone's gaming experience or opinions w/the high APUs, but this video shows a guy hitting 30-40 fps reliably in 1080p, and 60+ fps in 720p. I'm not a gamer though, so I'm unsure of how much some of the settings he has affect things.
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It looks like in that video any type of action took his 1080p settings into the 20's.
 
koolpc said:
Slightly better is the right word? I thought the AP was quite a bit better in Gaming? (Integrated only)
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I'll say slightly better because both are play able with one being slightly better, hardly enough better performance to make up for the lack luster CPU.

If all he's doing is using office applications or early software development then he probably couldn't tell the difference.
 
Trimlock said:
I'll say slightly better because both are play able with one being slightly better, hardly enough better performance to make up for the lack luster CPU.

If all he's doing is using office applications or early software development then he probably couldn't tell the difference.
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So, the i3 is vastly superior?
 
Really if you are wanting to save money even the g3258 dual core is faster cpu wise than the 7850k and motherboards for 1150 are a little less than the 1151 counterparts.
 
Well okay there is a caveat, mainly that the g3258 is unlocked, meaning that you can get a pretty healthy overclock out of the chip. I think 4ghz is easy and up to 4.7 is doable.

Take a look at the Ananadtech article on oc's here As you can see the g3250 @4.7 destroys the A8 7600 (basically the same cpu as the 7850k). Here

Also if you have a Microcenter around the cpu is $49.00 normal price. So from the dual core Haswell @ 3.2 stock you have a core improvement with skylake (10-15%) and you get hyperthreading on the two cores going to an i3 6300. Also of note at microcenter you can get the 7850k for @119 and $40 off a mother board so a cheaper one free.
 
Another reason to favor the 6300 is its build will have a stronger, and longer, shelf life.

The 7870k is at the end of its life cycle; it has no upgrade path, nor does its socket (FM2+). AMD's new cpu and apu lineups are coming next year, and they'll use socket AM4. Given how mediocre (at best?) AMD's FM2 stuff has been, I wouldn't want to be locked into it for years to come.

An i3-6300 build will provide better longevity and upgrade options.
 
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Sorry to bump an old thread:

I've built a few machines for relatives - using the 7870k. From what I can tell from the benchmarks, it's about the same speed as an i3 for multicore tasks (like handbrake), and slower for single core tasks (10-15%).

What you get in exchange is REALLY nice integrated graphics. Given that they are the same price, and often because of cheaper motherboards you can get the AMD setup for less.

Also - it is not true that the FM2+ platform doesn't support PCIe-3. It does. Even the micro-ATX motherboards I've been using have two x16 slots and support CrossfireX in 8x8. The value for the $$$ makes this an easy choice.
 
@koolpc, if it makes you feel any better, if you wish to put a GPU in that rig in the future, it (i3-6300) will destroy even a FX 8 core in benchmarks,
It is leaps and bounds ahead in terms of RAW CPU power than the APU, If you really want an APU solution, i suggest you wait till next year's ZEN by AMD.
The newer platform will last you for 4 years easily if you want to upgrade later on, i see no argument for buying the current APU at this stage of it's life cycle.
 
You could buy a Broadwell CPU (z97 chipset) with the irispro. The iGPU on that is amazing. I had an i5 5675c for a bit and it was amazing at 1080p.
 
Isn't the integrated GPU on the i3 6XXX series better than the AMD 78XX integrated GPU nowadays?
 
iRUSH said:
You could buy a Broadwell CPU (z97 chipset) with the irispro. The iGPU on that is amazing. I had an i5 5675c for a bit and it was amazing at 1080p.
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I looked at the Broadwell chips with Iris Pro 6200 graphics a lot recently; they were offered w/the 5775 and 5675 series chips.

You're right, they're amazing from an iGPU perspective. They completely blow AMD's APUs out of the water. As someone that prefers integrated graphics (for non-gaming rigs), I find it very odd Intel isn't pushing these things more than they are. It's as if they're curtailing their availability.

As is, w/the exception of Japanese sellers on Amazon, it's hard to find the 5775c, especially at a good price. That aside, and if it was within OPs price range, I think it's the strongest best-of-both-worlds offering for his scenario.

The 5675c comes very close to it though, and it has better availability on Amazon right now.
 
koolpc said:
The price of those is too much though
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Just get the i3 the cheapest i3 you can get. It is good enough for playing stuff like Dota/ LoL / WoW, if you want any AAA Games the APU will not suffice anyways.
The APU is so bad of a chip that an AMD CPU + AMD Discrete GPU for the Price of an APU (7870k) will beat the gaming performance of the APU by light years.
This is what you can get for nearly same price as a 7870k or an i3 6 series, and this will decimate any of those individual CPUs in gaming.
APU is only good if you don't have any space to put a GPU, it is completely worthless if you are buying APU to save money on the GPU to do light gaming, because it is costing you more money than a a DGPU.
Example http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wZscNG
 
Hope that works well for you, I always try to save people from crappy AMD CPUs. Which motherboard did you pair it with?
 
You can always get the A10-7850K/7870K then add in a cheap R7 250 for dual graphics (hybrid crossfire) later on for a bit of a gaming performance bump...

Otherwise, stick with the i3 and maybe plan for an ample dGPU down the road.
 
DejaWiz said:
You can always get the A10-7850K/7870K then add in a cheap R7 250 for dual graphics (hybrid crossfire) later on for a bit of a gaming performance bump...

Otherwise, stick with the i3 and maybe plan for an ample dGPU down the road.
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This is the worst thing to do with your money, X4 860k + 260 will be considerably faster with the crossfire of APU + 250. There was a review just for this, i will try to find the link. It has also been demonstrated that Higher priced APUs will always yield lower FPS than if you'd have gone with a X4 860k + dGPU like r7 250
 
a3venom said:
This is the worst thing to do with your money, X4 860k + 260 will be considerably faster with the crossfire of APU + 250. There was a review just for this, i will try to find the link. It has also been demonstrated that Higher priced APUs will always yield lower FPS than if you'd have gone with a X4 860k + dGPU like r7 250
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Yup, the review he linked shows an R7 260X ROLLING ALL OVER hybrid Crossfire!

In the 1080p benchmarks, the 260x is twice as fast in every GPU-limited benchmark (1080p).

The R7 250 is around $70-80, whereas you can get the R7 360 for $90-100. Twenty bucks more for 80% higher performance (it is a bit slower than the 260X), and then you can pair it with whatever processor you want! This mean you can go dirt-cheap with the X4 860k, or the Pentium Anniversary, both of which are $70.

Or you can spend the same amount as an A10-7850K on an i3 6100, and actually get an incredibly capable processor (no compromise gaming).
 
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^ thanks for the clarification about performance, folks. Didn't realize the 260X/360 was that much faster than the 250 for such a minor price increase. :)

I'll stand by my 2nd given option about getting the i3 and adding in a dGPU later on, as the way to go, then.
 
Look at AMD ad from Newegg Canada, for me the only two reasons a person can buy an APU would be lack of knowledge/research or not enough space to even put a low profile GPU.

Funny or not? or am i just being mean as it will do LoL @ 60fps for sure, but so will almost everything else. Farmville @ 144fps is also FTW.
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I think that was part of their LoL campaign which I think their APU does hit 60fps, still I'd want a dGPU over anything APU.
 
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