Windows 10 tops all OS X market share daily for first time accoring to GS StatCounter

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http://gs.statcounter.com/#desktop-os-ww-daily-20150906-20150912

I know that many people take issue with these trackers and this one in particular but it does seem to show a consistent pattern of certain OSes spiking on the weekends and tailing off on weekdays which is most notable with Windows 10 which makes sense as it's not yet widely in the enterprise. But think it's a reasonable guesstimate of what's going on.

I'll be the first to admit that Microsoft is being hyper aggressive and pissing off some people with what they are doing. Obviously there're trying to get this number up as fast as they can with the reason for that being to get developers interesting in developing Windows Store and universal apps.

I'm guessing that Microsoft will announce 100 million Windows 10 machines this coming week as it looks like that's about where it is with this counter and the 75 million number being announce three weeks ago. Looks like a definite slow down from the beginning, However 100 million actual running Windows 10 machines in seven weeks is something that Microsoft would probably do again the same way with those kinds of numbers unless they could do even better.

I get the issues with 10, that it's free and pissing some people off over the upgrade process. But this is crazy high market share to snag this quickly with the vast bulk of it being upgrades and not new hardware which has for a long time been how the bulk of Windows users got new versions of Windows.
 
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Those numbers are crazy fast. I have to say I am pleasantly surprised so far with 10 on the one laptop I upgraded recently. Is making me think of moving more of my machines up to it relatively soon.
 
but are these being USED and not installed to be rolled back? I know the launcher thing is VERY intrusive, hell even for me it was full downloaded and prepped to install at least 5x till I hide the damn update. The forced update crud is just moronic, to the point where even if something got borked you have to go through "hoops" to hide a specific update, even then it will not be permanent unless you have enterprise edition, then there is the lovely if you dont use an up to date version of game or certain software you could be locked out of it, period.

They really are breaking new grounds of stuidity with Win 10, here we though Vista, 8-8.1 were bad, 10 is in its own league.
 
dragonstongue said:
but are these being USED and not installed to be rolled back?
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For these trackers to show use it has to be a machine in use. Rollbacks are irrelevant to this count.

dragonstongue said:
They really are breaking new grounds of stuidity with Win 10, here we though Vista, 8-8.1 were bad, 10 is in its own league.
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And apparently records in market share time frames. Again I don't deny that some don't like what's going on, but a 100 million actual machines in the field in 7 weeks? Nothing stupid about that.
 
People like free. That is the only reason it has done this well, it is not because it is good. Spyware is never good.
 
rezerekted said:
People like free. That is the only reason it has done this well, it is not because it is good. Spyware is never good.
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Unlike Windows 8 where the flaws were obvious, it's hard to prove something is spyware, especially when the people most vocal about it never really cared much for Windows no matter what. Historically Windows has always had vocal critics for all sorts of reasons. If it were really as bad as those critics claimed, free or otherwise especially in light of all of the anti-trust action, it's hard to see how Windows still be this dominate on the desktop.
 
The masses listen to the worst music, watch the worst movies and read the worst books. Get my drift?
 
rezerekted said:
The masses listen to the worst music, watch the worst movies and read the worst books. Get my drift?
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So what makes a good desktop OS? Ok, lets say it's complete privacy. So then you put everyone and Linux. And without fail without the applications people would be wondering WTF? Without music, movies or books, the masses would having nothing to begin with. Or even more cultured folks.
 
Well, I think the whole registry concept was a really bad idea so we can start there by getting rid of it. Having multiple hidden locations for software developers to hide their shit was a really bad idea too. I would much prefer .ini files and self contained folders where if I deltree a folder all their shit is gone for good and doesn't leave a mess on my PC. An OS has no business tracking anything I do on my PC either. There are many things I would do differently but of course all of this is by design to fuck with us and was not done for our benefit in any way. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.
 
rezerekted said:
There are many things I would do differently but of course all of this is by design to fuck with us and was not done for our benefit in any way. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Windows is a commercial product so it has to make money. Most anything that has to generate money is going to be at odds with consumers in some way.
 
You can still make a product people really want and make money. The problem with many corporations is that it is about maximum profit all the time and be damned with integrity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLiozMpqV80

Katherine Albrecht: Windows 10 Is Full Blown Electronic Tyranny

^The tin foil hat is especially strong with this one.
 
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rezerekted said:
You can still make a product people really want and make money. The problem with many corporations is that it is about maximum profit all the time and be damned with integrity.
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So to challenge then is to create something better than Windows. Of course there are those that believe there a many alternatives out there helter than Windows. But then equate the utility of Windows to bad art: Thus missing what makes Windows so dominate after all these years.
 
Windows has some good things about it, I just don't like the direction it has taken in the last few years.
 
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Look at that asymptote. :p Relatively unchanged since the beginning, most Windows 10 growth came from Windows 8.x shrinkage. The same thing can be seen in Steam's HW survey data. That's just ignoring statcounter's crappy methodology. It counts page visits, not unique visitors, so the OP's entire premise is void. lol

Going by the 2 week old NetMarketShare data, which does count unique visitors, Win10 probably won't pass up OS X combined for another month or two (or during the xmas shopping period). Even Windows 8 achieved that and it was crap. This shouldn't be a surprise that people are eager to dump problem child Win8.x for a "free" upgrade, and another growth spurt will occur when Windows 10 is omnipresent in retail.
 
dragonstongue said:
but are these being USED and not installed to be rolled back?
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SILENCE, infidel! Folks™ are flocking to Windows 10! Even Folks™ that didn't know they were flocking, and Windows 10 installed itself in the middle of the night!

Everyone loves it. ©®
 
Evil_SPanKY said:
Those numbers are crazy fast. I have to say I am pleasantly surprised so far with 10 on the one laptop I upgraded recently. Is making me think of moving more of my machines up to it relatively soon.
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Russian/Pakistani ransomware spreads crazy fast too.
 
NetMarketShare had the August monthly numbers at 5.21% for Windows 10 and 7.52% for OS X combined, a difference of 2.32%. As this was a monthly average Windows 10 was probably well over 6% in reality when this number came out. So 10 probably only needed around 1% growth to equal OS X at the end of August.
 
Market share numbers are a routine subject that's talked about constantly. I think is was notable because I think it means that Windows 10 and OS X are roughly at equivalent share. But this number is volatile and I know many don't like the methodology but it tends to align pretty closely with NetMarketShare overall. Yesterday's number did put OS X back on top for the daily number, but is spiked a full 1% and it's unlikely that OS X increased it's market share by over 10% in one day.
 
the thing is, IS this counting INSTALLS and USED or just installs, as I know at least for me, if it was up to MSFT it would have went through process of installing like 5x, being downloaded is not the same as fully installed, and installed borked rolled back would they still count this towards these "market share" numbers?

Windows works, no doubt, this is why there are stupid number of machines globally that use it, there was no need to make it the way they did, spying, crappy and forced update process, lockouts if not using current versions etc.

They did do a ton of nifty things no doubt, but just like win8-8.1 its like putting lip stick on a pig and calling it something else. If they would have actually listened to their customers/consumers/share-holders and not just to the $$ signs many of these would not be remotely as they are IMO, as they simply do not need to be, unfortunately at this point, there is no answer full stop to Windows, be it win7, 8, 8.1, 10, they see these numbers and are to comfortable to throw crap at everyone cause they know many simply do not have a choice, and the anything but subtle constant reminders of GWX are proof of that o_O
 
This is tracking actual machines being used online, that's why people pay attention to this and particularly NetMarketShare.
 
dragonstongue said:
YAY win 7 still reigns, I wonder why that is? :p
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Probably because both Windows Vista and 8.x didn't do well and there was a five year gap between XP and Vista. It will take some time but if indeed Windows 10 is the "last version of Windows" at least beyond the typical three year cycle of Windows releases, 10 will overtake 7 I think even before 7 goes into unsupported status in 2020.
 
BigJayDogg3 said:
Because normal people don't upgrade computers, they buy them with Windows already installed.
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Web statistics don't discriminate between corporate or consumer systems. The corporate share >> consumer share of Windows PCs in use and connected to the Internet.

Even if Windows 10 were to be adopted by corporations at a rate equal to Windows 7 (no sign that it is so far), which would be a very fast rate, Windows 7 would still hold a plurality for quite a while.

Contrary to the OP's usual cheerleading, using better data (netmarketshare) Win 10 has only about 50% of Windows XP's usage share (~12% for the last 3 months). Surpassing a 14 year old, unsupported OS could be something to celebrate. lol
 
pxc said:
Contrary to the OP's usual cheerleading, using better data (netmarketshare) Win 10 has only about 50% of Windows XP's usage share (~12% for the last 3 months). Surpassing a 14 year old, unsupported OS could be something to celebrate. lol
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Not arguing that NetMarketShare's data isn't better, but it's not free for daily tracking. And often GS Stat Counter's and NetMarketShare's numbers are very similar, they essentially have the same August monthly number for Windows 10.
 
pxc said:
Web statistics don't discriminate between corporate or consumer systems. The corporate share >> consumer share of Windows PCs in use and connected to the Internet.

Even if Windows 10 were to be adopted by corporations at a rate equal to Windows 7 (no sign that it is so far), which would be a very fast rate, Windows 7 would still hold a plurality for quite a while.

Contrary to the OP's usual cheerleading, using better data (netmarketshare) Win 10 has only about 50% of Windows XP's usage share (~12% for the last 3 months). Surpassing a 14 year old, unsupported OS could be something to celebrate. lol
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Look, I don't think you're focusing on the right metrics here. Win10 has greater market share than desktop linux after all.

And we all know how important that is.
 
BigJayDogg3 said:
Because normal people don't upgrade computers, they buy them with Windows already installed.
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This is the correct answer.

They use the installed OS until the whole thing goes tits up, then they buy a new one.

Enterprise uses an OS for a few years, while testing the current version, then they eventually roll that out, just in time for a newer version to release. Too much money and time riding on it to just upgrade stuff.
 
BigJayDogg3 said:
Because normal people don't upgrade computers, they buy them with Windows already installed.
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Which is why Microsoft created GWX.exe - to hit non techies over the head relentlessly like ransomware until they finally click "OK" to get rid of the pop-up, or just assume it's another Windows patch, and next thing they know Windows 10 is installing itself.

Which is why the opposite of what you're saying is going to happen. The people sitting tight on Windows 7 now are going to be nearly impossible for Microsoft to convert - because these people know better. Which is why it wouldn't surprise me based on MS's other recent policies that eventually desperation will set in and theyll sneak in a new EULA into 7 and 8, also with a benign looking "press OK" pop-up, and start auto installing 10 on non domain connected PCs.

Consider that the crap they're pulling now with " telemetry", the upgrade nag, and auto download of 6GB of W10 installation files to those that didn't ask for it, was laughed off as tinfoil hattery mere months ago. And the people that laughed it off have already moved goalposts and now defend it. Comedy.
 
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None of my friends/colleagues have Windows 10.
Common sense prevails.
 
rezerekted said:
You can still make a product people really want and make money. The problem with many corporations is that it is about maximum profit all the time and be damned with integrity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLiozMpqV80

Katherine Albrecht: Windows 10 Is Full Blown Electronic Tyranny

^The tin foil hat is especially strong with this one.
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So you must be in the camp that thinks "since I don't do anything wrong I have nothing to hide"

Tinfoil hats are definitely warranted in this case.

Seriously, fuck Windows 10. I'll upgrade to 8.1 and buy a copy of StartIsBack before I'll ever reinstall Win10 again.
 
Mr. Bluntman said:
So you must be in the camp that thinks "since I don't do anything wrong I have nothing to hide"

Tinfoil hats are definitely warranted in this case.

Seriously, fuck Windows 10. I'll upgrade to 8.1 and buy a copy of StartIsBack before I'll ever reinstall Win10 again.
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Yep. My gaming rig is staying put on Windows 8.0 with Ex7ForW8 (the precursor to StartIsBack by the same author but it uses Windows 7's Explorer.exe). Have Windows 10 on a spare PC since launch and there is no new feature worth a damn, certainly not worth putting up with the creepy privacy crap.

Unfortunately you've gotta be vigilant with Windows updates on 8 now since MS will try to sneak telemetry KB's in if you have auto updates set. I finally disabled auto updates a few months ago because fuck that.
 
Mr. Bluntman said:
So you must be in the camp that thinks "since I don't do anything wrong I have nothing to hide"
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No, I was being facetious, I am one of the people that refuse to use Win10.

You don't need to pay for StartIsBack because classicshell does the same and is free.
 
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