BELKIN BE112230-08 surge protector $18 (its really nice)

Zepher said:
Good as in they saved your equipment, or good as in you plug in your stuff and it powers on?
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hahaha.

Good as in the layout, number of outlets, plug design, & joules, all that you get for the money.
 
rive22 said:
hahaha.

Good as in the layout, number of outlets, plug design, & joules, all that you get for the money.
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pretty much. I would like to see higher surge ratings but they have a standard surge rating. It is hard to find anything with a higher rating then the industry standard (on the consumer level).
 
Anything that cheap is not going to save your equipment. They wear down over time with power surges and will eventually fail when you need them the most.

If you live in a rural area and have power lines that aren't buried, invest in a real surge protector from a company such as brickwall. A small price to pay to guard thousands of dollars worth of equipment.
 
VulcaN said:
Anything that cheap is not going to save your equipment. They wear down over time with power surges and will eventually fail when you need them the most.

If you live in a rural area and have power lines that aren't buried, invest in a real surge protector from a company such as brickwall. A small price to pay to guard thousands of dollars worth of equipment.
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i lived in rural area and these have worked fine. The power lines where I lived were shit. I find many of these "expensive" companies to just be expensive and not hold up to be better. It is liek cyberpower vs APC....APC is just a fancy name.
 
Were not talking speaker cables here, this isnt "monster" audio.

It doesnt take an electrical engineering degree to understand how the cheap MOV's they put in these units will wear out after a couple big surges.

If you're plugging in cheap printer, wireless router, whatever, then use one of these power strips. For the actual PC / monitor use something reliable. These power strips can work OK if you replace them regularly - in practice, no one replaces them, they use them for years.
 
I've been using the Tripp Lite Isobar metal surge protectors for anything that's not on a UPS. Not sure if they're any better but they feel solid.
 
VulcaN said:
Were not talking speaker cables here, this isnt "monster" audio.

It doesnt take an electrical engineering degree to understand how the cheap MOV's they put in these units will wear out after a couple big surges.

If you're plugging in cheap printer, wireless router, whatever, then use one of these power strips. For the actual PC / monitor use something reliable. These power strips can work OK if you replace them regularly - in practice, no one replaces them, they use them for years.
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IIRC they cease to work or had a method of telling you when they stop performing. Second there is no logical reason to put one of those 400 dollar surge protectors on a freaking 1000 dollar PC or whatever. I would not spend more then 10% of my set up on a UPS let alone a surge protector ROFLCOPTER.

This is coming froma guy who lived in a farm house from the mid-late 1800s and the wiring was crap. It was done by the home owner.
 
Hey if you have a $1000 PC it may not be worth it to you. Lots of people here exceed $1000 in video cards alone, some with a single video card; $200 is a small price to pay to protect a large investment.

This is a good deal and I thank you for posting it, I was just replying to the guy that said "Good as in they save your equipment, or good as in you plug in your stuff and it powers on?". For the enthusiasts on here that are running expensive equipment, I would argue that $20 surge protectors fall into the latter category.
 
I would agree to use the best you can afford to loose. Personally I use a Belkin battery ups with power filtering. With that being said nice unit for the $ op.
 
Sp33dFr33k said:
I've been using the Tripp Lite Isobar metal surge protectors for anything that's not on a UPS. Not sure if they're any better but they feel solid.
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http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-ISOBAR8ULTRA-Isobar-Protector/dp/B0000511U7
http://www.tripplite.com/surge-protector-isobar-8-outlets-12-ft-cord-3840-joule~ISOBAR8ULTRA/

This looks better than the APC Pro7 that I'm currently using for non-critical equipment :p

My PC, monitor, routers, and HDTVs are all on UPSes though hmm.
 
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As long as it has a warranty to replace my hardware I don't care if it gets fried
 
I got a Magnavox one from the Walmart Hardware Dept. it has led lights on it green red and blue think it goes like red if it fails or gets a electrical storm surge.
 
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Zepher said:
I've got a couple of those tripplites sitting around, they are probably 20 years old now and still seem to work.
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what do you mean seem to work? It either works it it doesn't, and by work I don't mean I plug it in and it turns on.
 
I use the Tripp lite Isobars on anything I care about (PC, TV, Fridge, etc). The Isobars that are 5+ years old go to things I somewhat care about. Things I don't care about get whatever works.

I don't know how well my setup is since I never dealt with any issues yet.
 
VulcaN said:
Anything that cheap is not going to save your equipment. They wear down over time with power surges and will eventually fail when you need them the most.
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if they wear down over time with power surges, aren't they doing their job?

and if you know you live in an area with lots of power surges, yet you keep using an old protector vs. buying a new one every so often, wouldn't it be your fault instead of the equipment's?
 
VulcaN said:
Hey if you have a $1000 PC it may not be worth it to you. Lots of people here exceed $1000 in video cards alone, some with a single video card; $200 is a small price to pay to protect a large investment.

This is a good deal and I thank you for posting it, I was just replying to the guy that said "Good as in they save your equipment, or good as in you plug in your stuff and it powers on?". For the enthusiasts on here that are running expensive equipment, I would argue that $20 surge protectors fall into the latter category.
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I would argue that 20% is actually a large investment to make on a $1000 PC that very likely will be fine on a dollar store surge protector. Is there a 20% chance an average user's PC is going to get fried? Probably not.
 
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prometheum said:
what do you mean seem to work? It either works it it doesn't, and by work I don't mean I plug it in and it turns on.
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they work but the circuit breaker seems to trip more often than when they were newer.
 
i would never pay over $10 for surge protector but damn those do lok nice
 
rx jr. said:
i would never pay over $10 for surge protector but damn those do lok nice
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they work and are functional. Worth the 18 bucks. I use those surge protectors for anything I don't want to but on the UPS. Granted, Gasp I do split one UPS plug into the surge protector so that a single external encrypted drive doesn't brick and my speakers still run. I am told to not split the outlets but for those two things I'll take my chance compared to them not being on a back up at all.


I also use these for my monitors and PC.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842102070

I think its great personally and works just fine and way cheaper than anything brickwall or APC sell.

It has survived a 150 year old farm with power surges, brown outs, and running on a back up gen cleaning the power during storms.

The back up gen puts out nasty power but lets me keep playing games :p I don't live there anymore but this sucker still works after having it for 3 years or so.

The back up gen issued out like odd herts like in 50s or something and other issues so the UPS was always running on battery cleaning it and such. Granted, I don't quite understand how it works as in is it only running off batt in those cases or using source but boosting/cleaning with battery power? Never got the chance to research it.
 
FishHead said:
Funny how this pops up right when my PC gets fucked by a lightning strike.
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I still have a lot of clients that live in the country. Years ago dialup was the only option (most are on wireless now) and phone lines were cause #1 of fried systems. I don't remember seeing a surge make it past a PSU, but I sure replaced a bunch of modems and motherboards back then. Sometimes you lucked out and only lost one PCI or ISA slot.
 
punisher said:
I still have a lot of clients that live in the country. Years ago dialup was the only option (most are on wireless now) and phone lines were cause #1 of fried systems. I don't remember seeing a surge make it past a PSU, but I sure replaced a bunch of modems and motherboards back then. Sometimes you lucked out and only lost one PCI or ISA slot.
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is the modem in the PC? I never heard or seen the surge go from modem to PC. I have seen plenty of modems get fried over the last 2 decades but not an actual PC eat it.
 
punisher said:
I still have a lot of clients that live in the country. Years ago dialup was the only option (most are on wireless now) and phone lines were cause #1 of fried systems. I don't remember seeing a surge make it past a PSU, but I sure replaced a bunch of modems and motherboards back then. Sometimes you lucked out and only lost one PCI or ISA slot.
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The damage isn't actually as bad as I thought, from what I can tell the only thing still messed up after a shutdown is the amp on my Xonar DG sound card.

Still, it cost me $30 for turning my PC on to check the weather since I need a new card now. Fuck that tornado warning siren for waking me up.
 
SomeGuy133 said:
is the modem in the PC? I never heard or seen the surge go from modem to PC. I have seen plenty of modems get fried over the last 2 decades but not an actual PC eat it.
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Youngling? Years ago about every PC came with an internal dialup modem. People ran surge suppressors on their power, but always seemed to neglect protecting the phone line. I used to have stacks of used modems during the broadband transition when I was swapping them out for network cards.
 
punisher said:
Youngling? Years ago about every PC came with an internal dialup modem. People ran surge suppressors on their power, but always seemed to neglect protecting the phone line. I used to have stacks of used modems during the broadband transition when I was swapping them out for network cards.
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you said 56k and i don't recall 56k modems being in dekstops....but maybe because my family and friends always built them? Granted my knowledge only goes back 20 years on this. I feel as if they should be baud modems if they were in the PC :p

I saw one of those once as a kid and was like so how do I make sense of these specs :D

C&C had baud connection speeds built into the settings too lol. Ah C&C and Lords of the Realm :)
 
SomeGuy133 said:
you said 56k and i don't recall 56k modems being in dekstops....but maybe because my family and friends always built them?
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I don't get it. 56K modems were in damn near everything starting around probably 96 or 97. Even custom build PCs had 56k modems because broadband penetration was very low until we got into the 2000s.
 
ocellaris said:
I don't get it. 56K modems were in damn near everything starting around probably 96 or 97. Even custom build PCs had 56k modems because broadband penetration was very low until we got into the 2000s.
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we all had external modems. Though my house had dual channel ISDN o_O which was horribly expensive but got us 15KBps :D
 
needmorecarnitine said:
if they wear down over time with power surges, aren't they doing their job?

and if you know you live in an area with lots of power surges, yet you keep using an old protector vs. buying a new one every so often, wouldn't it be your fault instead of the equipment's?
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There's no wear indicator in most surge protectors, even higher end ones. This isn't a set of brake pads
 
SomeGuy133 said:
i lived in rural area and these have worked fine. The power lines where I lived were shit. I find many of these "expensive" companies to just be expensive and not hold up to be better. It is liek cyberpower vs APC....APC is just a fancy name.
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For BASIC protection these will do. But as with anything MOV based, they slowly fail over time. Eventually the MOVs will go into "short mode" and the power strip kicks in overload protection with catastrophic failure mode.

Any real protection that guards against lightening surges is best done with LARGE caps and inductors.

A popular web tech site recently did break down of a QUALITY power strip.
 
Here's the deal

Those warranties attached to power strips are a gimmick. You have to PROVE the damage done to your equipment was the fault of the power strip and the surge didn't exceed it's ratings. Do you know how hard that is to prove?

Replacing hardware is easy. It's an insurance claim. But realizing your family photos, movies, research, work, and all their backups were on the same circuit when a surge comes through is NOT an easy replacement.

If you are going to go cheap, at least gang two quality MOV power strips together, and make sure they have a "protection enabled" test light. That way if one fails, you'll have a backup. But this setup isn't even close to a true inductor capacitor surge arrest with catastrophic break system.

No one plans on lightening hitting near your home. No one plans for a service restoration creating a current/voltage surge. No one plans breaker kick back voltage surges on large current cuts. No one plans to get into a car accident either.
 
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i got this one instead... APC AP7823


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