Morally conflicted about buying NVIDIA

If you are fine purchasing hardware from a company that did not release new drivers for 3-4 months leaving their card owners hanging with no explained reasons or apology then go ahead and purchase AMD.

I don't care about morality but I care about my gaming experience and for past 3.5 years since 7970 days only nvidia has provided a consistently superior experience for me.
 
KickAssCop said:
If you are fine purchasing hardware from a company that did not release new drivers for 3-4 months leaving their card owners hanging with no explained reasons or apology then go ahead and purchase AMD.

I don't care about morality but I care about my gaming experience and for past 3.5 years since 7970 days only nvidia has provided a consistently superior experience for me.
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I think that's a great point and really highlights why card companies should be less hostile towards open source driver development. Let the community work on drivers too. If only one of these companies were supportive of open source drivers.
 
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I think that's a great point and really highlights why card companies should be less hostile towards open source driver development. Let the community work on drivers too. If only one of these companies were supportive of open source drivers.
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I remember how stable and how much faster Omega drivers were when they were made (assembled, tweaked, whatever) by one guy not connected with ATI. If I understand it correctly he took the best parts of several driver releases and trimmed out the junk that most people didn't need. They worked fantastic for me, saw significant increases in benchmarks and FPS in games on my old X850 XT. Too bad that kind of thing doesn't exist today.
 
KickAssCop said:
If you are fine purchasing hardware from a company that did not release new drivers for 3-4 months leaving their card owners hanging with no explained reasons or apology then go ahead and purchase AMD.

I don't care about morality but I care about my gaming experience and for past 3.5 years since 7970 days only nvidia has provided a consistently superior experience for me.
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Lol what?

When did AMD not release a driver for 3-4 months? like 4 years ago?

Are you OK with a company releasing drivers that kills your card?
 
Just get an R9 290/x and undervolt. And use FRTC to limit to a lower FPS.

LOL @ the rabid nvidia fanboys. Trying to convince everyone who comes here/other forums not to buy AMD will ultimately kill our hobby. AMD going under is not a scenario you want, whether you love or hate them. If you like decent performance increases from one generation to the next and semi-decent pricing, it's in your best interest to support the underdog in a 2 competitor market place.

AMD has been getting screwed for many, many years with anti-competitive and unethical business practices. Whatever they've done, nvidia/intel have probably done far worse.
 
All this first world bull shit.

A whole lot of people wake up in the morning and have to worry about where they're going to find clean water.

So NVidia makes a superior product and all of a sudden is immoral.

Jesus, like either side of this argument is pristine.

If you want AMD then fucking buy one already. Why do you feel the need to ask anyone. If it's so traumatic, go see a counselor.
 
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Digital Viper-X- said:
Lol what?

When did AMD not release a driver for 3-4 months? like 4 years ago?

Are you OK with a company releasing drivers that kills your card?
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Between December 9th and March 30th. Did you miss the threads were people were getting rather annoyed with AMD's lack of drivers early this year?

WuTangClam said:
Just get an R9 290/x and undervolt. And use FRTC to limit to a lower FPS.

LOL @ the rabid nvidia fanboys. Trying to convince everyone who comes here/other forums not to buy AMD will ultimately kill our hobby. AMD going under is not a scenario you want, whether you love or hate them. If you like decent performance increases from one generation to the next and semi-decent pricing, it's in your best interest to support the underdog in a 2 competitor market place.

AMD has been getting screwed for many, many years with anti-competitive and unethical business practices. Whatever they've done, nvidia/intel have probably done far worse.
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AMD has done a fairly wonderful job of screwing itself over as well. They did get hit hard by Intel's bullshit in the P4 days but in more recent years a lot of AMDs issues have been caused by themselves. Intel didn't overhype and massively under deliver with Bulldozer, that was 100% AMD's fault. BOTH AMD and Nvidia engaged in price fixing to raise the cost of GPUs so neither company comes out better there. Neither of their competitors forced AMD to over invest in the APU market only to have it not take off as well as they hoped. I could go on but really my point is that while AMD has taken hits from Intel and Nvidia several years of very bad decisions have fucked them big time and lead to the situation they are in.
 
There both just companies out to get your cash. Ethics are rapidly disappearing in today's world , just buy the one with the most bang for buck....
 
If you don't want to buy an NVIDIA card because of morals, then stick to them and buy an AMD card.

I do get the feeling that this a troll thread though as why would you even mention that. You must have known it would bring out the NVIDIA defense party when you could have just stated that you were looking for an AMD card and for suggestions.

Personally im looking to upgrade my card and im sticking with AMD as iv had to many problems with NVIDIA cards and so im looking at getting a cheap r9 290 of ebay. An r9 290 is a substansual upgrade from a gtx 285 - http://www.hwcompare.com/16298/geforce-gtx-285-2gb-vs-radeon-r9-290/
 
Derangel said:
Between December 9th and March 30th. Did you miss the threads were people were getting rather annoyed with AMD's lack of drivers early this year?



AMD has done a fairly wonderful job of screwing itself over as well. They did get hit hard by Intel's bullshit in the P4 days but in more recent years a lot of AMDs issues have been caused by themselves. Intel didn't overhype and massively under deliver with Bulldozer, that was 100% AMD's fault. BOTH AMD and Nvidia engaged in price fixing to raise the cost of GPUs so neither company comes out better there. Neither of their competitors forced AMD to over invest in the APU market only to have it not take off as well as they hoped. I could go on but really my point is that while AMD has taken hits from Intel and Nvidia several years of very bad decisions have fucked them big time and lead to the situation they are in.
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For sure, mismanagement has been a major/the major factor contributing to AMD's decline. The alleged price fixing is said to have occurred before the AMD/ATI merger so technically it would have been collusion between ATI/NVDA. The APU situation isn't great but not entirely AMD's fault as AMD's partners seem unwilling to put APUs into anything but the most cheap and low quality laptops around.

As soon as anyone mentions ethics with regards to NVDA, all of a sudden ethics don't matter, lol. I am fairly certain that most people would prefer to be treated in an ethical manner and would prefer to do business with ethical entities, whenever possible.
 
OP's post made me think of black helicopters & shadow governments that use illegally imported video cards to fund political agendas......

Like the previous people said, its just a video card. Buy the one that fits your needs.

You should buy a GTX 980. Sorry AMD cards are trying but they just cant cut the mustard when it comes to power efficientcy.

Zotac has theirs on sale at Amazon right now for 479.99
http://www.amazon.com/GeForce-Expre...e=UTF8&qid=1438445952&sr=1-8&keywords=gtx+980
 
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Derangel said:
Between December 9th and March 30th. Did you miss the threads were people were getting rather annoyed with AMD's lack of drivers early this year?



AMD has done a fairly wonderful job of screwing itself over as well. They did get hit hard by Intel's bullshit in the P4 days but in more recent years a lot of AMDs issues have been caused by themselves. Intel didn't overhype and massively under deliver with Bulldozer, that was 100% AMD's fault. BOTH AMD and Nvidia engaged in price fixing to raise the cost of GPUs so neither company comes out better there. Neither of their competitors forced AMD to over invest in the APU market only to have it not take off as well as they hoped. I could go on but really my point is that while AMD has taken hits from Intel and Nvidia several years of very bad decisions have fucked them big time and lead to the situation they are in.
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They released drivers... they just didn't release WHQL Drivers, I had to ditch the NV WHQL Drivers due to them constantly crashing, and use some NV Beta drivers, lots of good WHQL Does right? Also NVs WHQL Drivers have KILLED video cards in the past, do you really care about WHQL now?
 
OP - you should just drop out of computer gaming altogether and go to the old game consoles of a few generations back. Sega ain't fighting Nindendo no more, and you won't be supporting anyone except for resellers with your dollars.

I'm actually being serious.
 
WuTangClam said:
For sure, mismanagement has been a major/the major factor contributing to AMD's decline. The alleged price fixing is said to have occurred before the AMD/ATI merger so technically it would have been collusion between ATI/NVDA. The APU situation isn't great but not entirely AMD's fault as AMD's partners seem unwilling to put APUs into anything but the most cheap and low quality laptops around.

As soon as anyone mentions ethics with regards to NVDA, all of a sudden ethics don't matter, lol. I am fairly certain that most people would prefer to be treated in an ethical manner and would prefer to do business with ethical entities, whenever possible.
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Was the price fixing that long ago? Really doesn't feel like it's been that long since the merger but I suppose it has been quite a few years. That's sort of the problem with APUs, AMD did a lot of marketing and promotion towards them being these great low-power and low-cost solutions. Prior to APUs being launched I remember a lot of talk is about them being great for laptops and HTPC systems. The A10 is a great CPU for mild gaming and a general workload system but AMD just can't find a way to grab part of the market.

My belief when it comes to hardware is simply to buy what best fits your needs and your budget. I don't see either company as more ethical than the other over-all. AMD is better in some areas, Nvidia is better in others. Since I have no interest in things like brand loyalty I make my decisions purely based on what is best for me at the time.

Digital Viper-X- said:
They released drivers... they just didn't release WHQL Drivers, I had to ditch the NV WHQL Drivers due to them constantly crashing, and use some NV Beta drivers, lots of good WHQL Does right? Also NVs WHQL Drivers have KILLED video cards in the past, do you really care about WHQL now?
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WHQL doesn't matter but you're mistaken. 15.7 was the first WHQL driver from AMD this year. The first driver of the year from AMD was in March. I double checked even though I clearly remember being rather unhappy at AMD's lack of driver updates at the time since I owned a 290X. In fact, AMD made a big deal in March announcing on forums that a driver was on it's way. There was a 15.2 for Windows 10 in Feb, but that was exclusively for the Win 10 preview.
 
Yes, AMD is very ethical, they never lie to their consumers; only evil, evil Nvidia does. All AMD does is:

> Release misleading, falsified benchmarks for Fury X before release

> State pump noise is only in review units, and not a concern for customers

> State Fury X is an overclocker's dream

> State Fury X is THE card for 4k

ETHICS!
 
staknhalo said:
Yes, AMD is very ethical, they never lie to their consumers; only evil, evil Nvidia does. All AMD does is:

> Release misleading, falsified benchmarks for Fury X before release

> State pump noise is only in review units, and not a concern for customers

> State Fury X is an overclocker's dream

> State Fury X is THE card for 4k

ETHICS!
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When did AMD ever state that the Fury X was an overclocker's dream? All that came from some fanboys.
 
WuTangClam said:
As soon as anyone mentions ethics with regards to NVDA, all of a sudden ethics don't matter, lol. I am fairly certain that most people would prefer to be treated in an ethical manner and would prefer to do business with ethical entities, whenever possible.
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That's not the point. The point is none of these companies are ethical entities, not even AMD. They are all the same. But of course, if one wishes to continue believing in the illusion that AMD is an ethical company, go right ahead it's your money.
 
linuxdude9 said:
When did AMD ever state that the Fury X was an overclocker's dream? All that came from some fanboys.
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During the E3 reveal AMD CTO Joe Marci stated "You’ll be able to overclock this thing like no tomorrow." and “This is an overclocker’s dream.”
 
Hornet said:
That's not the point. The point is none of these companies are ethical entities, not even AMD. They are all the same. But of course, if one wishes to continue believing in the illusion that AMD is an ethical company, go right ahead it's your money.
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At this point, it's literally picking lesser of the two evils if we are talking ethics.
 
Factum said:
The consumers are voting with their vallets:
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Wtf, something is not right with that graph, expecially the corresponding share percentages vs sales of GPU models
 
IMO they are not the same. I'd rather take AMD which is usually the cheaper option anyways. Their main problem is overpromising and underdelivering, which is somewhat understandable given their financial situation and the fact that they are fighting a war on two fronts (CPU/GPU), on a skeleton crew that has a tiny fraction of the R&D resources that intel or nvidia alone has.

NVDA on the other hand sells fire hazard tablets, tries to shortchange you on VRAM, cripples performance on older GPUs through gameworks, etc. And on top of that, if AMD were to exit the GPU market due to bankruptcy, we would be paying an arm and a leg for modest performance increases, just like what's happened in the CPU market.
 
WuTangClam said:
Their main problem is overpromising and underdelivering, which is somewhat understandable given their financial situation and the fact that they are fighting a war on two fronts (CPU/GPU), on a skeleton crew that has a tiny fraction of the R&D resources that intel or nvidia alone has.
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So you're trying to say it's OK when AMD lies, they're poor and small. Lol. Hold them accountable for their actions. Hold their feet to the fire, it's the only way you'll ever get them to change their ways. Not by screaming "GameWorks!" and "blackbox!" at every given opportunity; because it's simply deflecting blame. In no way will that make AMD products better, or get them to stop lying to consumers. It's simply an act of "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!".
 
Not saying it's ok, it's just typical marketing BS that everyone participates in and the truth becomes clear once third party reviewers get their hands on it. I don't really listen when most manufacturers make a claim, I'd rather wait until reviews come out before buying something. I didn't/will not buy fury in its current form so I am holding them accountable for the lack of overclockability.
 
WuTangClam said:
Not saying it's ok, it's just typical marketing BS that everyone participates in and the truth becomes clear once third party reviewers get their hands on it. I don't really listen when most manufacturers make a claim, I'd rather wait until reviews come out before buying something. I didn't/will not buy fury in its current form so I am holding them accountable for the lack of overclockability.
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And is rebranding an entire GPU lineup for a 3rd generation acceptable to you? Or is that typical marketing BS that everyone participates in too?
 
Both companies just want your money. That's the only thing they want from you. So buy whichever card has the best price/performance ratio (or whatever factor is most important to you) at the price point you want and you can sleep soundly.

But if you are going to specifically buy one of the brands solely sue to corporate ethics then you're just fooling yourself that you are making the 'right' choice.
 
staknhalo said:
And is rebranding an entire GPU lineup for a 3rd generation acceptable to you? Or is that typical marketing BS that everyone participates in too?
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Actually it is. Rebranding is pretty much an ancient practice when it comes to GPUs. Lookup nvidia Geforce 4 MX or nvidia GTS 250.

I think nvda was trying to set a record with the 4 time rebranding of the 8800 GTS 320MB into the 8800GTS 512MB into the 9800 GTX and finally into GTS 250.
 
WuTangClam said:
Actually it is. Rebranding is pretty much an ancient practice when it comes to GPUs. Lookup nvidia Geforce 4 MX or nvidia GTS 250.

I think nvda was trying to set a record with the 4 time rebranding of the 8800 GTS 320MB into the 8800GTS 512MB into the 9800 GTX and finally into GTS 250.
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And that's 1 card (though 8800 GTS 320MB>8800GTS 512MB isn't a rebrand, it's the same card in the same series of the same gen; with a different memory configuration. But I know you need all you can get to protect AMD's image so I'll give it to you anyway). Not an entire GPU lineup like I mentioned. But, let's not let things like facts and numbers get in the way of properly placing blame; unless you can show me when Nvidia rebranded an entire GPU lineup for 3 or more generations.
 
Wow AMD is the saint of GPUs and CPUs market..

Another woeful thread by the red team cry babies.
 
staknhalo said:
And that's 1 card (though 8800 GTS 320MB>8800GTS 512MB isn't a rebrand, it's the same card in the same series of the same gen; with a different memory configuration. But I know you need all you can get to protect AMD's image so I'll give it to you anyway). Not an entire GPU lineup like I mentioned. But, let's not let things like facts and numbers get in the way of properly placing blame; unless you can show me when Nvidia rebranded an entire GPU lineup for 3 or more generations.
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Actually it was pretty much an entire line up and across several generations. I won't break it down but it spans 3 or 4 generations.

All based on g92:

8800GT 256MB, 8800GTS 320MB, 8800GTS 640MB, 8800GTS 512MB, , 9800GT 512MB, 9800GT 1GB, 9800GTX , 9800GTX+ , 9800GTX 1GB , GTX250 512MB , GTX250 1GB
 
WuTangClam said:
Actually it was pretty much an entire line up and across several generations. I won't break it down but it spans 3 or 4 generations.

All based on g92:

8800GT 256MB, 8800GTS 320MB, 8800GTS 640MB, 8800GTS 512MB, , 9800GT 512MB, 9800GT 1GB, 9800GTX , 9800GTX+ , 9800GTX 1GB , GTX250 512MB , GTX250 1GB
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Hmmmm, some of those look like the same card of the same series of the same gen with different memory configurations. And some are cut down releases of/in the same gen and series.

So, I guess then I can add Fury X and Fury and Fury Nano to the AMD rebrands list as well according to your criteria? OK.

But like I said above - let's just give it to you for the sake of argument. Thing is, I swear I can recall more cards being in the 8xxx, 9xxx and 2xx series; so I don't know if you recall but I was asking for entire lineups. Care to try again?
 
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Geez, if you guys are talking things this far, we can consider all GM chips to be rebrands with a few extra CUDA cores here and there.
 
err no lol architecturally they are different check how the ALU's handles instructions, this is simple enough to find with google ;)
 
nvidia rebrands Q4 '06 to Q1 '09

All based on the same G92 core:

High end:
8800GTS 320/640 -> 8800 GTS 512 -> 9800 GTX -> 9800GTX+ -> GTS 250
Mid-range:
8800GT -> 9800GT -> GTS 240 (did not actually happen due to consumer backlash)
Mid-range (lower):
8800GS -> GeForce 9600

I bought some of these cards. You needed a masters in cryptography just to figure out whether or not you were buying the same card.
 
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