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Build 10074 is on both slow and fast rings, so this thread is irrelevant now. Mods, please close at your convenience.
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Windows 10 Build 10061 has been loosed upon the world
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There does seem a long way to go but RTM would just be the initial launch to OEMs to start prepping their images. It would still be another two months after that before public release, so there's still a good 5 or 6 months left. But it is getting very tight.
Just got this installed on my Surface Pro 3 on a separate partition. The general idea seems to be coming together but many loose ends. I would imagine there's going to be a new build next week at Build. I think we'll have a much better understanding of things then as that should be feature complete and should not be called a Technical Preview anymore.
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I can totally understand why you feel that way. But a lot of software doesn't come together until the very end. Many features are not publicly available, even in leaked builds. Spartan was not available until recently but was available internally for several months.
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The development process for Windows 10 is going to be different from prior versions assuming what Microsoft says is true. It's supposed to more continuous and agile. How it really pans out is still a bit of a mystery. This latest build still isn't feature complete and obviously has lots of major bugs. The rumors were that the build at Build would be feature complete and possibly quite different aesthetically.
It should be easier to determine next week just where this all stands and if the naming of the changes from Technical Preview to something more finished like Consumer Preview. There's months of development left but it time is getting short. However there's already a planned update to 10 before the end of the year.
Take a perfectly working start menu in Windows 7.
Spend 6 years and hundreds of millions to load it into a trailer and drive it off a cliff.
Seriously, you've never seen a company more intent on spending more money to completely fuck up something that was already working.. more than MS.
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I think the reason they started over with Start Menu is because they had to come up with something that works for both touch and mouse that provides a unified experience.
I'd prefer the Windows 7 style Start Menu but I'll take the Windows 10 Start Menu over Windows 8.1 Modern UI any day of the week.
Spartan is still bugged, as it was in 10051. It seems, that it works only in English. In Polish, where you have to use our national language special character, by combination of alt+letter, only some of those characters can be typed in any kind of web activity (apart URL). Alt-l, alt-e, alt-s do not show the letters, they should.. so despite new build, I'm still on IE.
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Mr. Bluntman
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Which is why I'm not giving it a spin until at least these are fixed. Rolled back to 7 SP1 until then.
The windows apps from start menu launch without problems - mail, shop, browser... all are good. Everything else I have either on taskbar or on desktop, and have no problems with anything not launching either. Only that special letters bug in Spartan is irritating, otherwise, I see no issue that would force me to roll back to 8.1
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Because it's the most visible change. Go to launch a program via the Start button. Doesn't matter if the whole underlying OS was changed to be 2000x more efficient. If what you see isn't likable, then people will complain. Aesthetics are huge with some things. This is one of those.
A woman could have the best personality, but if she's ugly, not a whole lot of suitors would be coming her way.
BTW: I like the start screen and the new start menu. Live tiles are awesome.
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The fact that Win32 programs can't be launched from the Start Menu is a bug in a beta OS, and clearly isn't going to be a "feature" in the final release. Bugs are bound to happen. That's why beta versions are released for bug testing. It's something to be fixed, not a deliberate design choice. To be bashing them now for that is facepalm worthy.
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Just upgraded to 10061 on my tablet.
Just going to throw this around with the release timing of 8.1 do you think there is and reason to put 8.1 into production with 10 right around the corner?
Just going to throw this around with the release timing of 8.1 do you think there is and reason to put 8.1 into production with 10 right around the corner?
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Probably not.
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There is some new help center included with this build. Would be nice if enterprise environments could plug in to this to offer support to their own users right through the OS without needing SSCM for remote access.
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Perhaps this should be a submitted suggestion through the Feedback App, if you haven't already? That's a pretty good idea to include with the Business/Enterprise editions. OoB support for a thing is always welcome if well implemented.
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Pretty much anything he says about Microsoft is facepalm worthy.
For now, I will just stick to a VM of 10 since Asrock has not updated their UEFI firmware to support Windows 10 yet. (Causes boot issues with a straight hardware installation.)
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Ship it and fix it.
This is the route that the game industry has taken, for the worse. Seems MS is embracing it for Windows now as well.
[SARCASM]What happened to releasing a well tested and bug free product?[/SARCASM]
EDIT: The last line was SARCASTIC and IRONIC, not SOLELY directed at the Win10 tech PREVIEW.
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During development of Win 7/8, MS had a blog with lots of technical details about things that were real technical improvements - things like memory management, new file system, faster startup, online accounts etc.
This time, its all about things like color themes, icons, virtual desktops, and the start menu - all of which is purely cosmetic. I was hoping for some OS level changes since a lot of that must be going on, but I guess we have to wait for 10.1/11 for that.
This time, its all about things like color themes, icons, virtual desktops, and the start menu - all of which is purely cosmetic. I was hoping for some OS level changes since a lot of that must be going on, but I guess we have to wait for 10.1/11 for that.
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This is the route that the game industry has taken, for the worse. Seems MS is embracing it for Windows now as well.
What happened to releasing a well tested and bug free product?
Wait? It's released already? Where can I download it at?
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I'm still failing to see how I can recommend this to my company as I see no improvements related to enterprise clients. Maybe if you use built in DLP etc, but otherwise, this looks more and more like a consumer OS update then anything. Also, I might be alone in this, but this is perhaps the UGLIEST os I've ever seen, and that includes some pretty rough linux distros. I'm not sure why they decided to hit windows with the ugly stick, we have more processing power now then ever and were going backwards on UI aesthetics.
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WDDM 2.0 and DX 12 for starters...
Don't see where I was bitching about it. All I said it I hope it gets patched soon. Never said it was a huge deal.
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Installed the recent updates to this build and it seems you can now shrink the start menu down to just the single row. Not sure when they fixed that.
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Ditto. The deployment of 8.1 with one of our largest clients was headache enough. Hardware that ran with XP/7 suddenly was inoperable and both the vendor and MS shrugged their shoulders. Software dependent on the version of IE had trouble working even with compatibility view and the half baked Enterprise Mode. I didn't make the call to switch, my boss just has a thing for MS. I especially agree with the latter half of your post. I never thought I'd see a day when Linux looked better than a MS OS. It just doesn't make sense with all of the screen real estate and processing power of desktops and MS made the miscalculation to think tablets are all anybody uses. The tragic part is to use the good looking themes *cough*Aero*cough* UxStyle must be patched which is like a ticking time bomb to have issues with certain Windows Updates.
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During a discussion of migrating a business from 7 or 8.1 to 10 you say
Moving to Windows to Linux would be easier than Windows 8 to Windows 10?
Moving to Windows to Linux would be easier than Windows 8 to Windows 10?
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I love and prefer Windows as a host Operating System. (Seriously looking forward to Windows 10 RTM.) However, I have also been using Ubuntu 14.04 LTS as a host OS on and off for the last 3 weeks just to play around with it. (Work and Home.) It is lacking in some areas that I use the Start Screen in Windows 8.1 for but, it is still enjoyable to try things out and learn more. (Ubuntu is probably the best Linux Distro out there and can be configured anyway you want it. However, I just still with Unity since it works the more straight forward of any Desktop I have used in Linux for me.)
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Run it as a web server, and that's how I fell in love with Linux. I prefer it over IIS/Sharepoint. I still prefer Gnome for my DE with Linux desktop, though.
Windows is still my #1 OS, but I find nothing wrong with Linux for most things.
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You do realize Windows 10 it's still in development, right? And you do realize that "still in development" means there are going to be bugs and not fully tested features, right?
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Oh! You bought that line?
Well then, Linux is sure out.
Stable is not something I would equate with Desktop Linux no matter the distro if you have to reboot just to get something to work correctly. Server Linux is different but then again, it is also minimal and application specific.
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Well then, Linux is sure out.
Ain't that the truth. Every time I get curious and mess with Lunix, I leave disappointed. I was surprised however, to find that FreePBX is the first software I have ever seen, in all my years of computing, that a Linux equivalent is easier to use than its Microsoft counterpart (Lync Enterprise for Voice). Lync Server is a steamy POS.