What If Windows 10 Fails?

CreepyUncleGoogle said:
Then just say, "CreepyUncleGoogle, I agree that Windows 8 is Microsoft's worst OS when it comes to customer satisfaction ever in the history of all operating systems."
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You're forgetting about Windows ME. Windows 8.x however is the most controversial.
 
Trimlock said:
Kind of funny, once MS fixed the driver issue with Win ME it was crazy good but by then everyone had moved onto Win 2k, which admittedly was still better.

Yea but complaining about a lack of support for ancient hardware is like complaining that Nvidia stopped releasing drivers for the Geforce 3ti.
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Well 2k was already out when ME was out ME starting out unstable as hell didn't give any sympathy. Then the removal of real mode DOS sorta just made you question why bother with ME. I sorta put up with that crap with 95 and 98(which we all know was just 95 again).
 
Semantics said:
Well 2k was already out when ME was out ME starting out unstable as hell didn't give any sympathy. Then the removal of real mode DOS sorta just made you question why bother with ME. I sorta put up with that crap with 95 and 98(which we all know was just 95 again).
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Well yea, ME was trying to move too much too fast, either way my store made a ton of money using all the free ME keys we had on used laptops :D

Also, 98SE had the improved IP stack to actually allow you to use something other than a 14.4k modem to connect to the internet. Win 95 wasn't exactly forward thinking :p You want to talk about breaking my old video games ... jeese that was terrible. I was ok with paying for 98SE.
 
heatlesssun said:
You're forgetting about Windows ME. Windows 8.x however is the most controversial.
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The only thing I liked about 95 was the introduction to a better functioning desktop at the time and not something that looked like something from the 80's (win 3.1). Other than that it is my least liked OS.

Wouldn't touch Win ME till they fixed it which improved my opinion on it after its incredibly bad debut.
 
Windows 8 is not that bad, and Windows 10 tech is awesome and I am sure the final version will be too!
 
I'm gonna hold everybody in this thread accountable for the asshole things they are saying about MS and how Windows 10 is GOING to fail when Windows 10 becomes legendary, like 7 and XP.
 
To be honest looking at the current GUI for Windows 10 it looks like shit, why Microsoft insist on design a flat butt ugly dull GUI while from Windows 98 to Windows 7 had a good looking GUI, even I thought Windows 98 GUI looked much better than Windows 8.
 
Betaboy1983 said:
Has anyone ever tried teaching Windows 8.1 to a 65 year old woman who was used to XP? HOLY $%@^^. I get calls every other day. A few more problems and I'm putting Linux Mint on it.
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So, she can't figure out Windows, so you put on a whole different OS that has it's own, different interface and usage?

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fuck all wrong with 8/8.1. Been using it since launch.

90% of all the haters couldn't afford it, that's the problem
 
People that quit using PCs quit using them because their phones and/or tablets became "good enough" to get on the internet. They don't do anything productive enough to need a PC.

Microsoft is trying to get these very people to buy a PC again, with absolutely no compelling reason (to these people) to do so.

This makes people who actually use PCs very angry and drives them away, thus leaving Microsoft with even fewer desktop customers.

Microsoft needs to update their demographic information. Most (yeah, I said most) people that once had a PC aren't necessarily a potential return customer but Microsoft seems to think that they are.

Make Windows an OS that promotes productivity and you'll have a successful OS. Make Windows a cash machine like phone OSs and you are going to fail.

It seems pretty simple to me.
 
Betaboy1983 said:
Not Win 10 related but with all the Windows 8x talk...

Has anyone ever tried teaching Windows 8.1 to a 65 year old woman who was used to XP? HOLY $%@^^. I get calls every other day. A few more problems and I'm putting Linux Mint on it.
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Yup I showed two 70 year old ladies how to use it, once I installed classic shell. :D
Not one single phone call and it's been about 8 months now.
 
Trimlock said:
Except Windows 8 arguably worked better on lesser hardware then even Win7 did. Also Win 8 has possibly the best backwards compatibility out of ANY new MS OS ever released.
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Wrong. I've had better luck running old apps on Windows 7

I had a couple really old custom multi user apps at the office. I was able to get them running with Windows 7 32 bit, but they will not run under Windows 8. They will also not work with the shared data on servers running 2008 or later. I could go into details, but it would be too many pages :)

So, Windows 7 32 bit client, Windows 2003 Server (with multiple tweeked settings) works, Window 8, Server 2012 don't.

Hopefully I'll be rid of both these apps by next year, but since these are critical business apps, we won't be upgrading most the users past Windows 7 until the app is replaced with something newer.
 
mw8t said:
fuck all wrong with 8/8.1. Been using it since launch.

90% of all the haters couldn't afford it, that's the problem
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Under our license with Microsoft I could upgrade every PC to 8.1 for no cost, just my time to build the images and load them.
Isn't going to happen. We have a lot of non-technical users, who had a hard enough time going from XP to Windows 7. I'm not about to kill productivity switching them to 8.1. Doesn't matter anyways, since 8.1 won't run 2 of our critical apps, while Windows 7 32bit does.
 
prime2515102 said:
People that quit using PCs quit using them because their phones and/or tablets became "good enough" to get on the internet. They don't do anything productive enough to need a PC.

Microsoft is trying to get these very people to buy a PC again, with absolutely no compelling reason (to these people) to do so.

This makes people who actually use PCs very angry and drives them away, thus leaving Microsoft with even fewer desktop customers.

Microsoft needs to update their demographic information. Most (yeah, I said most) people that once had a PC aren't necessarily a potential return customer but Microsoft seems to think that they are.

Make Windows an OS that promotes productivity and you'll have a successful OS. Make Windows a cash machine like phone OSs and you are going to fail.

It seems pretty simple to me.
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It's not that simple. While tablets may not be as useful for productive purposes as a laptop or desktop PC, they can be used for those purposes. And rest assured that Apple, Google, Samsung and all the rest are working to make tablets more productive. It's just not enough for Windows to be just a desktop OS that always requires a mouse and keyboard.
 
Very little, businesses will just keep using 7 and 10 will see the same lower paced adoption that 8 did.
 
Kor said:
Very little, businesses will just keep using 7 and 10 will see the same lower paced adoption that 8 did.
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Lower than 7 probably but also probably higher than 8 just because there's been more time and I'm thinking that businesses getting into tablets with large Windows infrastructure will have an inclination for Windows based ones. But we know how this works. 7 will be the business mainstay until 2020.
 
That article was incredibly stupid. He claims over and over again that Windows 8 is a flop, without citing where he gets his facts. Facts are, Windows 8 has sold more copies that XP or any other previous version Windows for the period of time it has been released. Sure Windows 7 has sold more copies than any previous version, but Windows 8 is not that far behind. A major factors that has contributed to this is a soft PC sales market. The Enterprise market has been very favorable to Windows 8, it made significant improvements to security and control admins had over end user devices. All of this information is easily available from Microsoft's financial statements or reading Forbes. Instead the author just made an article based off of his "gut" feeling. I am kind of sick of all the crap journalism and commentary out there... Google your shit or shut up.
 
It just may.

Windows 8.1 is great but since everyone hates change so much, it probably will fail.
 
MS i think listens to user input, and learns from it. Yea they took a risk with windows 8 and ppl seemed to not like it but they did same with windows vista. PPl didn't like it but win7 was pretty much same bot they matured it.
 
Ur_Mom said:
So, she can't figure out Windows, so you put on a whole different OS that has it's own, different interface and usage?

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Mint is build a lot like Windows in terms of how the UI works. It's not like grandma was switching from using DOS to Terminal. And unlike Windows which is really a huge resource hog, Linux actually makes slow machines run like new.

Since it's Linux that means there's no viruses to infect the computer. When I say no viruses I don't mean absolute. She can't get the weatherbug app that somehow always wonders onto her PC. She also won't have like 5 tool bars in her web browser. Unlike Windows you won't need to defrag the system. No anti-virus software, which is usually worse than the virus anyway.

So long as the person doesn't play video games or requires unique non existent Linux software, you should be using Linux. Preferably Mint.
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Arbit3r said:
MS i think listens to user input, and learns from it. Yea they took a risk with windows 8 and ppl seemed to not like it but they did same with windows vista. PPl didn't like it but win7 was pretty much same bot they matured it.
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The problem with a company like Microsoft that has two products with a user base in the billion plus range, Office and Windows namely is that even with a 90% customer satisfaction rate you still piss off 100 million people.
 
Staples said:
It just may.

Windows 8.1 is great but since everyone hates change so much, it probably will fail.
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Except all the people responsible for trying to shove a phone UI down every Windows 8 desktop user's throat is already fired or moved to a department where they can't do anymore damage. Apparently they've got Julie Larson-Green scrubbing out now the toilets with the pissmops these days.. Sinofsky visits bathhouses.. and Steve Ballmer is up in his luxury cabin eating oreos and masturbating.

They aren't going to be as pigheaded about Win10 as they were with Win8. so combined with the fact Windows is the biggest desktop OS and it'll be a forced buy on new PCs and laptops in retail channel..Win10 is simply too big to fail. Windows is basically the Call of Duty of desktop OS's .. No matter what it'll be massive.. And like CoD the improvements and new features from previous version will be minor and incremental.
 
Ashbringer said:
So long as the person doesn't play video games or requires unique non existent Linux software, you should be using Linux. Preferably Mint.
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I believe the argument you make here is probably the strongest one for desktop Linux. The biggest problem with the argument is that OEMs just don't bother much with installing desktop Linux on retail devices. And that's not at all an issue with Linux.

But remember the fiasco with Windows RT and its inability to run Windows desktop software. And before that remember the first netbooks that all came with Linux that all got replaced with Windows XP offerings. For all of the issues with Windows, being incompatible with Windows software in the desktop space is a tough sell even when much of that software is malware.

I know you're no fan of Microsoft nor Windows but I think that you do get the importance of 3rd party support. If you have no need for the latest and greatest in desktop hardware and software nor support Linux will work perfectly. I know that it sounds snide but it is true.
 
DPI said:
Except all the people responsible for trying to shove a phone UI down every Windows 8 desktop user's throat is already fired or moved to a department where they can't do anymore damage. Apparently they've got Julie Larson-Green scrubbing out now the toilets with the pissmops these days.. Sinofsky visits bathhouses.. and Steve Ballmer is up in his luxury cabin eating oreos and masturbating.
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This point is made a lot and obviously there's some truth to it. Two exceptions. The "Ribbon Lady" Julie Larson-Green is about to see the 4th revision of her UI in Office. So maybe not exactly an exception but when the UI you managed that gets criticized constantly somehow is still around 8 years later. That's no where near Windows 8 UI failure. And the grandmaster of the Surface, Panos Panay. My guess is that he would have been canned or otherwise shown the door but at least for now the Surface Pro 3 saved him at Microsoft.

$1000 says that he ever did get canned from Microsoft, Apple or Google would pick him up the next second.
 
heatlesssun said:
It's not that simple. While tablets may not be as useful for productive purposes as a laptop or desktop PC, they can be used for those purposes. And rest assured that Apple, Google, Samsung and all the rest are working to make tablets more productive. It's just not enough for Windows to be just a desktop OS that always requires a mouse and keyboard.
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This is truth. It always starts small then explodes when someone figures out just exactly how to make it work well for the masses. Windows pretty much did that for PC's.

heatlesssun said:
Lower than 7 probably but also probably higher than 8 just because there's been more time and I'm thinking that businesses getting into tablets with large Windows infrastructure will have an inclination for Windows based ones. But we know how this works. 7 will be the business mainstay until 2020.
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I think 10 might actually be more adopted than 7. Should take a good long while, but if they don't screw it up, I'd see 10 as a replacement to 7. I dearly hope.

heatlesssun said:
The problem with a company like Microsoft that has two products with a user base in the billion plus range, Office and Windows namely is that even with a 90% customer satisfaction rate you still piss off 100 million people.
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:D Perfect.
 
I will NEVER understand why people hate 8. It's hilarious how people want to be so rebellious that they refuse to use a superior operating system with marginally inconvenient (at first) UI changes. My wife is tech-retarded and she learned Windows 8.1 in a day or two.

My advice: get over it. As an administrator you can get to any administrative tool FASTER then Windows 7.
 
Not everyone who hates it doesn't have experience with it. My HTPC runs it, and at first I actually liked it and didn't understand the hate for it. Then, I actually started to try and do stuff with it, and it sucks shit. The stupid ass menus are idiotic, its a wall of text that you have to read through to find what you need, vs a start bar that was two or three words per row...which broke down into a sub menu, so on and so forth. How a wall of text is more efficient is mind boggling.
 
Tengis said:
I will NEVER understand why people hate 8. It's hilarious how people want to be so rebellious that they refuse to use a superior operating system with marginally inconvenient (at first) UI changes. My wife is tech-retarded and she learned Windows 8.1 in a day or two.

My advice: get over it. As an administrator you can get to any administrative tool FASTER then Windows 7.
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Why are you defending what the market has clearly rejected. MS follows your advice they lose even more market share.
 
It won't be adopted by corporate use until they can figure out a way for legacy apps that rely on IE8-10 to operate properly. Compatibility mode does not work 99% of the time. W7 will be sticking around for a long long time I'm sorry to say.
 
fdiaz78 said:
Why are you defending what the market has clearly rejected. MS follows your advice they lose even more market share.
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Yep, Windows 8 fans really need to give it up. We fought that battle and they lost. Microsoft themselves acknowledge this with the continued backtracking.

Microsoft's other OS hiccups (ME, Vista) were tiny compared to the Windows 8 debacle. Windows 8 shortened at least two high level careers at Microsoft: Steven Sinofsky and Steve Ballmer.
 
OEM said:
Not everyone who hates it doesn't have experience with it. My HTPC runs it, and at first I actually liked it and didn't understand the hate for it. Then, I actually started to try and do stuff with it, and it sucks shit. The stupid ass menus are idiotic, its a wall of text that you have to read through to find what you need, vs a start bar that was two or three words per row...which broke down into a sub menu, so on and so forth. How a wall of text is more efficient is mind boggling.
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It's easier because you don't ever need to see it. Just start typing what you want to find. Once you figure that out, you don't see the Metro interface for more than 2 seconds. That plus TONS of real estate to "pin" what you most commonly use = faster navigation if you take the time to learn/use it.

That plus right click on start = the most helpful menu ever. And the file explorer/file transfer changes = better than windows 7 in my opinion.

I hated 8 as much as everyone else at first, but now it is on my primary rigs throughout. It is better if you can get over the hump/shock/rage that Metro fills you with (yes it happened to me too).

Now, for HTPC's using WMC, windows 8 kinda sucks. I ended up going back to win7 on both of those machines. It was mostly issues with auto booting to the WMC screen so never have to use a keyboard/mouse. Things may have changed, but for those machines the benefits of win8 are lost because they are dedicated HTPCs and desktop never really is seen.
 
Tengis said:
I will NEVER understand why people hate 8. It's hilarious how people want to be so rebellious that they refuse to use a superior operating system with marginally inconvenient (at first) UI changes. My wife is tech-retarded and she learned Windows 8.1 in a day or two.

My advice: get over it. As an administrator you can get to any administrative tool FASTER then Windows 7.
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The disconnect here is the typical inability to see anything but yes or no, black or white, and love or hate. There is a wide range between those the two extremes of emotion and a lot of forum residents are totally blind to the things between the two ends of the polar spectrum of emotions so they presume that someone has to be on one end or the other on the scale regardless of how they actually feel about something. Ask the wife you accuse of being retarded to talk about that and help you to understand and maybe you'll be a person more sensitive to the world around you if you can manage to learn.

Beyond that, you're also mistakenly assuming that everyone assigns meaningful emotions to the experiences they have with a piece of software and that's just totally silly. I don't really know of many intelligent, thoughtful people that look at an OS and get this burning sense of hatred over it. That's just immature and far too stone age instinctive to be true.

Even a zealot like heatlesssun, I wouldn't accuse of having a sticky, gooey love affair with their operating system or the latest tablet they bought and insisted on tell us about. That's what makes the whole discussion dumb and mindless (and really funny to read, actually...but that's a whole other thingy). So anyway, go apologize to your wife that you're bashing her beind her back by accusing her of having a mental handicap and then talk to her instead of us and you'll not only have a better married life, but when you do come back to post again, you'll be able to put things into a more enlightened perspective that is both broader and deeper in meaning.
 
Ashbringer said:
Mint is build a lot like Windows in terms of how the UI works. It's not like grandma was switching from using DOS to Terminal. And unlike Windows which is really a huge resource hog, Linux actually makes slow machines run like new.

Since it's Linux that means there's no viruses to infect the computer. When I say no viruses I don't mean absolute. She can't get the weatherbug app that somehow always wonders onto her PC. She also won't have like 5 tool bars in her web browser. Unlike Windows you won't need to defrag the system. No anti-virus software, which is usually worse than the virus anyway.

So long as the person doesn't play video games or requires unique non existent Linux software, you should be using Linux. Preferably Mint.
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I couldn't get mint to work right on my t420 since I had a msata boot drive and the storage drive. Some kinda glitch that was over my head but I liked the interface and had no trouble adapting to it. Was my first foray into Linux. I thought about just installing the Mint on the storage drive but didn't want to give up the speed. I really wanted it to work out for me.
 
Ashbringer said:
Mint is build a lot like Windows in terms of how the UI works. It's not like grandma was switching from using DOS to Terminal. And unlike Windows which is really a huge resource hog, Linux actually makes slow machines run like new.

Since it's Linux that means there's no viruses to infect the computer. When I say no viruses I don't mean absolute. She can't get the weatherbug app that somehow always wonders onto her PC. She also won't have like 5 tool bars in her web browser. Unlike Windows you won't need to defrag the system. No anti-virus software, which is usually worse than the virus anyway.
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Yea.... I like Mint Linux. But, for someone that doesn't like Windows 8, switching to a completely different OS would be my last option. Classic shell, or others, then drop to Windows 7. I'd say the same about going from Mac to Windows or Linux to Windows, just because they didn't like the interface... Because rather than replacing the interface, you're replacing everything. Don't like the carpet? Replace the carpet, not the house.

Mint Linux is perfect for someone wanting to switch and make it an easy switch. I used Mint until I went straight Debian for my Linux machine. All others are Windows 8/10 or Server 2012R2.
 
glazer1972 said:
I couldn't get mint to work right on my t420 since I had a msata boot drive and the storage drive. Some kinda glitch that was over my head but I liked the interface and had no trouble adapting to it. Was my first foray into Linux. I thought about just installing the Mint on the storage drive but didn't want to give up the speed. I really wanted it to work out for me.
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Mint needs not very much to run pretty responsively. In fact, I have a 16GB USB micro thumb drive from Sandisk...its this thing:

http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Cruze...NSZA/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1421508538&sr=8-4

with Mint installed on it and just boot from that. It moves between computers pretty well too so you can kinda get a feel for whether it supports your hardware or not. It's fast enough for me for daily use, but YMMV if you have different performance expectations from using non-ancient hardware. An Asus 1000HAB with an Atom n270 is the computer I use the most from one day that I boot from a SATA to SDHC adapter, the SD slot, or a thumb drive depending on what I wanna do that day is what I play on the most so my standards are probably pretty low. :)

To build a bootable OS on it automatically without even burning the ISO to a disc, you can install LiLi USB Creator on a Windows PC and have it do all the work for you. It's available here:

http://www.linuxliveusb.com/

It works pretty well with a variety of other distros too so if Mint doesn't do it for you and you wanna tinker with something else, just grab the ISO and feed it to LiLi, telling it to use your thumb drive.
 
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Snowdog said:
Yep, Windows 8 fans really need to give it up. We fought that battle and they lost. Microsoft themselves acknowledge this with the continued backtracking.
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Lost how? Windows 10 is still going to be a hybrid OS that's for more than conventional desktops and laptops with support for tablets and touch and an app store.
 
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