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Whether or not you agree with this guy's opinion of Edward Snowden, you have to admit he has a lot of valid points.
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Snowden: From Zero To Exiled Zero In 90 Days
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You sound like a Birther making such a stupid, unsubstantiated statement. He's exposing government corruption and here you are perfectly happy with the cesspoll we call a government.
amddragonpc
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Truth is, Ken Huss is jealous he doesn't have access to Snowden to cover his story.
haha...truth!
i agree with the author that it doesnt make any sense that snowden had that NSA intelligence job with his incredibly limited qualifications. other than that, everything in that article is factless and brainless. the SXSW hangout isnt loading for me, but when he spoke at that TED talk i thought he actually sounded fairly intelligent. he really didnt have anything to gain, and everything to lose, from leaking all those documents. even i can see that is suspicious. however the author seems to subscribe to the "guilty until proven innocent" mindset, but for all the good he's done i prefer to give snowden the benefit of the doubt at least for now.
You sound like a Birther making such a stupid, unsubstantiated statement. He's exposing government corruption and here you are perfectly happy with the cesspoll we call a government.
Feel free to pack up and live under Putin's rule where you get jailed and your assets confiscated if you oppose him if you're lucky otherwise you get poisoned with polonium-210.
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Misdirection at its finest. Instead of bringing up anything at all regarding all of the unconstitutional nightmare world that's been exposed (regardless of who exposed it), the author focuses on how much of a ~charlatan~ the supposed whistleblower is. Discredit him, and obviously all of the truth that's come from somewhere (whether from Snowden or his supposed magical puppet masters) is bullshit too and we should just continue to suck the sweet delicious soma from the teat of the US Govt while their surveillance branches analyze the growth pattern of our ear hair from orbit.
The article is utterly bogus whether you like or dislike Snowden.
the supposed whistleblower is. Discredit him, and obviously all of the truth that's come from somewhere (whether from Snowden or his supposed magical puppet masters) is bullshit too and we should just continue to suck the sweet delicious soma from the teat of the US Govt while their surveillance branches analyze the growth pattern of our ear hair from orbit.The article is utterly bogus whether you like or dislike Snowden.
If you oppose the rulers in any country you'll be put in prison.
There's no big bad Russian bear here. Get real.
Say if I stop paying my taxes as a U.S. citizen, what will happen to me? I oppose the government, no? I'll land in prison just as in any other country.
Russia might have different laws than ours, so what? Does that mean our laws are better? By what measure? By your opinion? That's not a very good measure.
Misdirection and Ad hominem...best NSA money can buy.
bogus or scary...if you think about the alleged "didn't finish High School, etc." bit and the fact that he had to go through not a regular security background check but a NSA ("snap" latex gloves) one....yea.
bogus or scary...if you think about the alleged "didn't finish High School, etc." bit and the fact that he had to go through not a regular security background check but a NSA ("snap" latex gloves) one....yea.
You sound like a Birther making such a stupid, unsubstantiated statement. He's exposing government corruption and here you are perfectly happy with the cesspoll we call a government.
While I was never a Birther nor particularly cared for them, it's rather ironic for you to lament government corruption after insulting people who wanted to ensure that the president was legitimately in office.
As for Snowden, those who keep deriding him as a know-nothing dumbass would do better to direct their energies against an agency that would hire such a know-nothing dumbass. Oh, that's right. We should keep focusing only on him, not on anything he has revealed, nor anything that the revelations have demonstrated with regards to government overreach and the unmitigated arrogance of the surveillance state.
Russia didn't even have anything to do with it in the overall scheme of things, he was just forced to stay there by the US GOV chasing him. He was trying to leave there, you know that, right? No just....fear monger like a peasant at a witch burning.
He handed them over to your ungrateful ass, the only way he could, so man the fuck up.
Your fired.
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Seriously? If you write a truthful news article in Russia about the faked election, you get thrown in jail for life. That isn't a system of different laws, it's a dictatorship.
Don't get stuck in the false dichotomy of, since the US isn't perfect, all other countries imperfections must be OK. It's BS. Shooting a dissenting citizen with a radioactive pellet to assassinate him while he's in a foreign country isn't different laws, either.
well that's just plain not true. many people oppose the government in the US every day. occupy wall street, the protestors who were recently protesting internet throttling, so many examples that to think you have the same rights to protest the government here as in Russia means you are incredibly ignorant.
and not paying your taxes is a form of protest yes, but it is also against the law so if you are prepared to exercise that form of protest then you must be willing to accept the consequences. first of all if you stop paying taxes but keep using the roads or postal service etc then you are actively stealing from the government. just protesting verbally or by rallying or marching or even writing senators and congressmen are all legal forms of protest which are fully open to you and i encourage you to use them if you have an issue with the current government.
meh did anyone ever really believe that the birthers wre trying to make sure the president was there legally? they were really looking for an excuse to discredit him and make him look bad without ever actually finding any real dirt on him. now there's drone strikes and obamacare and bengazi etc that are actual issues to embarrass him with so they've moved on from that issue.
An infant possessing the same evidence as Snowden could have exposed the same corruption. He didn't write the documents, merely stole them. The issues areseparate: A): what you think of Snowden stealing the documents and handing them over and B): The evidence contained in the information that clearly shows unconstitutional behavior by our government. That he may or may not be a traitor is opinion; what is on the documents is not.
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Yeah, I hear there is a veteran by the name of Bradley Manning who is currently unemployed.
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So he stole NSA documents and exposed them after lying to get the job. That was pretty shitty. However, seeing what the documents were and what they contained - that was a service to the country and those that are pro-Constitution (non-politicians! ). It's like stealing bread for a starving family. You're still stealing, regardless of your intentions, which are noble.
Those that wrote the Declaration of Independence were once considered traitors of the crown. Yet, we call them patriots and founding fathers now. I guess the victor gets to make the labels. Snowden is a traitor to the government, but a patriot to it's citizens.
). It's like stealing bread for a starving family. You're still stealing, regardless of your intentions, which are noble. Those that wrote the Declaration of Independence were once considered traitors of the crown. Yet, we call them patriots and founding fathers now. I guess the victor gets to make the labels. Snowden is a traitor to the government, but a patriot to it's citizens.
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Chelsea.
How many other whistleblowers have there been through the years? It'd be nice to see a list and what happened to them.
Manning wasn't a veteran since he was a fresh recruit and unproven.
Chelsea.
It was so peachy of Manning to add that whole transgender bullshit just to further discredit himself and his allies. I know I'm a total homophobe for saying that. Or transphobe. Or something. Whatever. Would have been nice if he could have shelved his gender identity crisis while the public eye was on him/her/it/shut the fuck up. Assange, Manning, and Snowden had enough PR problems to deal with.
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He does supposedly have a GED. That ought to be equivalent to anyone who's not trying to form a biased narrative.
Remember when somebody who did something notable without having a high school degree was seen as exceptional?
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i bet the next accusations of snowden are that he was gay and a child molester. i'm pretty sure a lot of people lie in their resumes to some extent and it's up to the employer to do a background check. so what weighs more? snowden's fake references that affect pretty much nothing or the nsa's lies that break the foundations of democracy in the name of national security? and of course obama won't hold a parade for snowden because he and the entire government have more skeletons in the closet than every might & magic and wizardry dungeon combined. it's the usual ad hominem to derail the discussion.
I think you are posting these topics so you can do your research on "Internet Evangelists" aren't you steve?
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That was a horribly written article. Just all over the place.
Dumbass.
Dumbass.
Convenient of you to leave out this part. Seems like a clear case of disgruntled employee.
You just made yourself look very foolish, seriously.
Why don't you actually research him this time.
Come out from under your rock. There are documentaries on what he seen in his 30+ years at the NSA. Grow up.
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Snowden leaking the info isn't the problem that the average person probably has with him. I don't have a problem with that. But we have no idea what this took and if he sold anything to the Russians or someone else and he's not credible enough to be taken at his word. It's a possibly a great example of doing the right thing for the wrong reason.
That Putin is thug wasn't in question or even brought up in his original post.
Aren't you going to even try to defend what you said earlier instead of just trying to do some crappy strawman attacks?
Except the whole birther 'movement' was astroturfed into existence and Obama gave his birth certificate a long time ago yet the birther's refuse to accept it as evidence and have turned to manufacturing conspiracies and to this day claim he is a Kenyan Muslim plant. They're utterly full of crap.
So there really is nothing ironic at all here and it was very much a good comparison he used.
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Except the whole thing had nothing to do with ensuring that Obama was born in the US. For a lot of folks the issue of government spying pales in comparison to not being believed about one's place of birth even if they have all of the documentation with not one ounce of evidence to the contrary.
I always have to take articles like this with a grain of salt. One widely used tactic against the opposition is to discredit them, either validly or not. I don't know Snowden, but I'm not sure I'd take the article's words as law.
Even if what they were saying was true, wouldn't it be far more disturbing that you let such a conman into a position where they could get that much access to state secrets? It's one thing for the previous spies, who were typically well known before they committed treason, and another to fall for what is a Nigerianesque scam. I can't speak for anyone else, but the few people I knew who had access to state secrets had a security clearance, and it was pretty lengthy. Are you telling me that they can find out if a person smokes pot, and deny him clearance, yet can't find out a person didn't graduate from their high school, college, etc., and give him access to all this info?
Even if what they were saying was true, wouldn't it be far more disturbing that you let such a conman into a position where they could get that much access to state secrets? It's one thing for the previous spies, who were typically well known before they committed treason, and another to fall for what is a Nigerianesque scam. I can't speak for anyone else, but the few people I knew who had access to state secrets had a security clearance, and it was pretty lengthy. Are you telling me that they can find out if a person smokes pot, and deny him clearance, yet can't find out a person didn't graduate from their high school, college, etc., and give him access to all this info?
I don't think they so much cared whether he was born in the US as they just wanted him removed... Wanting Obongo removed doesn't mean the issue of government spying pales, it actually coincides.
Not to mention the whole birther thing was only put in the spot light because because it was ammo for the dems/libs/whatever to make the other side, republicans/tea party/whatever, look stupid/uneducated/mean adjectives here/etc anyway.
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Snowdens credentials do not matter what he released is apparently true. In fact his motivations no longer matter. Snowden should not even be part of the discussion anymore. It is obvious the guy had to be somewhat intelligent he just sounds like he was one of those attention deficit disorder types who couldn't focus and finish. People like that can have trouble, they can also be Thomas Edison, or any one of a number of the biggest players in the tech world such as oh any one of these guys no one has ever heard of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_dropout_billionaires