Toshiba P50T - 15.6-inch 4K Display

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From Engadget:

While other companies announce laptops with 2,560 x 1,440 screens, Toshiba is doing the competition one better: the outfit is showing off a notebook with a 15.6-inch, 3,840 x 2,160 display. Dubbed the Satellite P50t, the laptop has a screen density of 282 pixels per inch, which, as you can imagine, means some onscreen objects are going to be very, very small (check out that still photo of Windows Media Player in our gallery to see what we're talking about).
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The Lenovo Y50 was also announced with a 15.6inch 4k screen. I assume it is likely the same panel. Stated for availability in May at the moment.
 
limitedaccess said:
The Lenovo Y50 was also announced with a 15.6inch 4k screen. I assume it is likely the same panel. Stated for availability in May at the moment.
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Nice, I haven't heard about the Lenovo yet. Hopefully these laptops will come with good graphics cards. I would laugh if they used a lower end Intel HD 5000-series or 4000-series to drive the displays.
 
The Lenovo Y50/Y40 are going to be replacing the Y510 and Y410. Basically its an entertainment line (gaming and multimedia).

Max GPU config for the Y50 will supposedly be the GTX 860m 4gb. Product page already states Nvidia GTX graphics which typically starts at the x60 or higher. It's also using a MQ CPU and not ULV.
 
Microsoft is going to have to address display scaling in Windows if these 4K displays are going to be truly useful. It's fine in the Metro UI, which takes scaling into consideration, but it's just not very helpful in the classic desktop. Apple's HiDPI modes handle things more gracefully.
 
Problem is even a scaled 1920x1080 is a bit much for that gpu :/
 
Well this aren't really "gaming" laptop per say. Lenovo seems to be moving the Ideapad line to be more entertainment oriented.

There is also practical TDP limitations, and therefore GPU limitations, you can put in a thin style laptop. It seems like all non gaming laptops are now using thin as part of their design parameters.
 
limitedaccess said:
The Lenovo Y50/Y40 are going to be replacing the Y510 and Y410. Basically its an entertainment line (gaming and multimedia).

Max GPU config for the Y50 will supposedly be the GTX 860m 4gb. Product page already states Nvidia GTX graphics which typically starts at the x60 or higher. It's also using a MQ CPU and not ULV.
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Meaker said:
Problem is even a scaled 1920x1080 is a bit much for that gpu :/
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limitedaccess said:
Well this aren't really "gaming" laptop per say. Lenovo seems to be moving the Ideapad line to be more entertainment oriented.

There is also practical TDP limitations, and therefore GPU limitations, you can put in a thin style laptop. It seems like all non gaming laptops are now using thin as part of their design parameters.
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I have the Lenovo y510p with an Nvidia 750GT SLI and it's been pretty good so far. It's a not a dedicated gaming laptop, but it works for what it does and is pretty thin. The 860M should be fine for the next y50, especially if they will still offer an extra GPU via the Lenovo Ultrabay slot which would make driving a 4K display worth it for the extra cost of another GPU.

The trend that I've seen lately from manufacturers is making thinner and more energy efficient laptops, probably to compete against tablets. If we wanted a more dedicated gaming laptop, we'll probably have to resort to FalconNorthwest, Alienware, MSI, or the variants of Clevo out there. However, I haven't heard of any of them adding 4K displays to new models coming out this year-- well, not yet anyway. Last I've seen was the 2K (2160x1440) LCD display on an MSI gaming laptop. That's so far the highest resolution display I've seen so far coming out of these boutique/gaming laptop manufacturers.
 
We will see if the 870m will go in a caddy like that. It's a step up on the 750 power wise.
 
Meaker said:
We will see if the 870m will go in a caddy like that. It's a step up on the 750 power wise.
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Do you know if a company like Clevo/Sager, MSI, ASUS, or Gigabyte offering 4K LCD displays this year? Or, other than MSI, 2K displays (2160x1440)?

It'd be great to see more gaming laptop companies add them in as an option to existing 1080p panels.
 
The new Lenovo's won't have Ultrabays, like most thin laptops they don't have an optical drive either. Because of that performance wise it will be a downgrade or upgrade depending on your views on SLI vs single GPU.

The screen issue is a bit funny in terms of how "gamers" and gaming oriented laptop makers tend to think, the Razer Blade is an extreme of that. For many things like "IPS" and "high resolution" are negative points compared to "TN" and "low native resolution."
 
octoberasian said:
Do you know if a company like Clevo/Sager, MSI, ASUS, or Gigabyte offering 4K LCD displays this year? Or, other than MSI, 2K displays (2160x1440)?

It'd be great to see more gaming laptop companies add them in as an option to existing 1080p panels.
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You have the 3k on the series at the moment and the panels are going into some of the other series in the refresh.
 
limitedaccess said:
Did a little research related to this -

http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/130927.html - 15.6inch IGZO 4k panel for Notebooks by Sharp. Samples started shipping Sep 2013, mass production starts Feb 2014.

Perhaps it might be the panel used? Although Toshiba does make its own panels, Lenovo does not however.
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And, I believe Clevo uses AUO panels, but future LCDs are for HDTVs and possibly lower-priced computer monitors if going by this website.
 
I am using windows 8.1 on a 11" 1080p screen and the desktop does not scale well enough still.... the targets for desktop apps are just too small...

Cant imagine a 15" 4K screen
 
Windows can NEVER fix scaling on the desktop, because only the people who make the software can fix scaling people. MS has tried multiple times to do this, and now more than ever with software houses split between supporting like 6 different OSes no one is going to bother for the desktop.
That said the irony is that actually with the right graphics software a really high resolution screen might be able to make scaling issues less apparent.
 
rudy said:
Windows can NEVER fix scaling on the desktop, because only the people who make the software can fix scaling people. MS has tried multiple times to do this, and now more than ever with software houses split between supporting like 6 different OSes no one is going to bother for the desktop.
That said the irony is that actually with the right graphics software a really high resolution screen might be able to make scaling issues less apparent.
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Not true. Microsoft can vectorize the entire UI if they want to and make every visual element except raster graphics completely resolution independent. This would also have the advantage of allowing the user to scale all elements of the UI instead of just fonts (like what happens in the browser when you zoom). Onus would be on developers to include higher resolution versions of raster graphics or draw them using vectors instead, but even then, existing raster assets could degrade "gracefully" through bicubic scaling. Win 8's flat UI could easily have been drawn as vectors if MS had implemented it that way. Resolution independence is something Microsoft has to get right with Windows 9 and the emergence of 4K laptops already has shown that it was a missed opportunity in 8.1.
 
I dunno if I would consider the Lenovo IdeaPad Y50. I like having a DVD burner because I use it and I don't wanna bother with an external drive.

Also, Win 7 somehow got corrupted on my Lenovo Y470 about 2 weeks ago. I could not get past the BIOS screen which meant I could not access the recovery partition at all. So to cut to the chase, I took my Win 7 retail DVD (for my desktop), dropped into the DVD tray and initiated a Win 7 repair from there.
 
Ohh, as for a 4k screen.... I don't care, I just want my next laptop to have a 1920x1080 screen (although I would prefer 1920x1200).
 
I currently have the Dell XPS 15, 3200x1800 15.6" display with GT750m graphics. I disagree with people complaining about the insufficient graphics and scaling problems.

Scaling works fine in desktop, scaling doesn't work in apps that don't support it. Chrome has issues, but I have managed to get it to scale properly. Overall the scaling hasn't really hurt my enjoyment of the screen. As for the graphics, the 750m is good for light gaming. I admittedly don't play stuff like BF4, but the graphics has no issues with games like Civ 5 even at 3200x1800 resolution.
 
Everyone's definition of sufficient is different, a game like Civ is on the most forgiving end of performance issues.
 
Meaker said:
Everyone's definition of sufficient is different, a game like Civ is on the most forgiving end of performance issues.
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Civ is more demanding than you give it credit for. That being said, I have all this in a notebook that is less than a third the size of the monstrosity you have in your sig and it gets ten times the battery life ;)

If I want to play Crysis 5 with ultra settings I have my 780SLI Desktop for that.
 
Meaker said:
Problem is even a scaled 1920x1080 is a bit much for that gpu :/
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Exactly. You will never be playing anything at the native resolution on this laptop (well... maybe Counterstrike). And I'd rather be playing at 1080p native than 1080p non-native any day.
 
The display scales 1:1 to 1080p so it would not have any scaling distortion, it would at least look like a normal 1080p dispaly.
 
I'm much more interested in the non ulv y50 and xps15 using the 860m.

I've sworn off Toshiba for a while now, little interest in giving them my money again.
 
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