Healthcare.gov Upgrades to Go Live Today

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Cross your fingers, your toes and maybe your eyes also and hope the improvements, upgrades and the long hours our geek tech brethren toiled to get this train wreck of a site up and running and handling 50K simultaneous users online will finally be successful. When the bureaucrats can’t get the job done, they always have to call in the geeks. :D

Contractors believe the upgrades will improve the system's performance and let it handle more visitors, but the person said they are testing the system and aren't yet sure it can handle 50,000 simultaneous users.
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Only 50,000 users? I thought the gold standard of web service capability was to guarantee access from 1 million simultaneous accesses?
 
Sad thing is it could work beautifully and the half of the country that still hates Obama simply because he's a democrat will say it's a failure.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Sad thing is it could work beautifully and the half of the country that still hates Obama simply because he's a democrat will say it's a failure.
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I agree, but with all the political stuff aside it's still monumentally idiotic to try to roll out any program nationally in a single day. The smart way to do it would be state by state or region by region. There's what 330 million Americans?
 
It is a Republican plan executed by a Democrat denounced and vilified by Republicans.
The Democrat plan was to take the stock holders (insane profit) out of the system. Single payer system.

Our current system is broke. If I go and get 1 test find and get cured the profit margin is low.
If I go in and get 5 test, treated for my symptoms but do not get cured profits for Doctor, clinics,labs, hospital pharmaceuticals, too bad I am still sick, and my premiums go up.

My friend went to see 6 doctors in 3 different clinics, before she was diagnosed and treated, it took over a year and she could not work. Each of the 3 wanted money when she was sick at home for not curing her. It would be like taking your car in for repair and the guy is like, I don't know, let my tire guy look at it, here is my bill. Tire guy, nope not the tires, here is my bill, take it to the body work guy. Body work guy, do not know what is wrong, take it to a partner of ours, here is my bill..... The whole time you can not drive to work to pay the bills.
 
Only way it will work is if millions sign up and they don't even have that yet. When I was in my 20s i didn't give a crap about insurance. Not sure how they think millions of young people will sign up for this.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Sad thing is it could work beautifully and the half of the country that still hates Obama simply because he's a democrat will say it's a failure.
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Sad thing is that the standard retort for raging incompetence of the past 5 years is to accuse critics of
a) playing politics, or
b) racism
 
Forgot to mention, before Obama she was stuck at the same job if she wanted health care because insurance could deny coverage based on past issues. The new insurance would basically not cover her from the neck down to the waist.
 
CaffeineMan said:
It is a Republican plan executed by a Democrat denounced and vilified by Republicans.
The Democrat plan was to take the stock holders (insane profit) out of the system. Single payer system.
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The Republican's plan was to make it so bad that it could never pass. They underestimated how bad it would have to be to convince people health care wasn't a necessity. Now there's this mandatory insurance purchasing abomination that creates massive subsidies for the very insurance companies that carefully engineered the most expensive and least efficient health care system in the western world.
 
If these upgrades aren't enough to get everything up and running it's gonna be more finger pointing and late night show jokes!
 
Yes, it was the Heritage Foundation that came up with the idea, and Bob Dole who used it as a plank in the GOP platform for his 1996 campaign.

As soon as "the black guy" liked it, it was poison. :rolleyes::eek::mad:

Meantime, Vermont will be using the part that the GOP was really secretly scared shitless of.... the part that allows State's (STATES RIGHTS BITCHES) to implement their own plan ... to implement Single Payer Healthcare, scheduled for 2015. No premiums, no deductibles, no co-pays, and all hospitals are converted to NON-PROFIT. :eek::p

This will spread across Blue America and leave Red America looking like a bunch of dumbasses by 2020. :D
 
xX_Jack_Carver_Xx said:
Yes, it was the Heritage Foundation that came up with the idea, and Bob Dole who used it as a plank in the GOP platform for his 1996 campaign.

As soon as "the black guy" liked it, it was poison. :rolleyes::eek::mad:

Meantime, Vermont will be using the part that the GOP was really secretly scared shitless of.... the part that allows State's (STATES RIGHTS BITCHES) to implement their own plan ... to implement Single Payer Healthcare, scheduled for 2015. No premiums, no deductibles, no co-pays, and all hospitals are converted to NON-PROFIT. :eek::p

This will spread across Blue America and leave Red America looking like a bunch of dumbasses by 2020. :D
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LOL nice try. ObamaFAIL big time. This is so funny
 
The site will remain crippled for months, as has been predicted by most IT experts.

A year from now, tens of millions will lose their work-provided coverage, as many small businesses drop the plans that millions of others have already lost, no longer being covered by the employer delay in the mandate.

The health insurance industry is about to collapse. Start sticking money in a medical savings account now.
 
xX_Jack_Carver_Xx said:
Meantime, Vermont will be using the part that the GOP was really secretly scared shitless of.... the part that allows State's (STATES RIGHTS BITCHES) to implement their own plan ... to implement Single Payer Healthcare, scheduled for 2015. No premiums, no deductibles, no co-pays, and all hospitals are converted to NON-PROFIT. :eek::p
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And then the bureaucratic waste and fraud will replace the insurance waste and fraud, the program will spiral quickly out of control due to the massive health care needs of our unhealthy population, as well as the doctor shortage we already have plus its projected future shortage. And then rich people will fly to other countries to get decent health care.

And then progressives will have accomplished what they have always stated was their goal: equality.

As in equality with every other mediocre nation on the planet.
 
CaffeineMan said:
It is a Republican plan executed by a Democrat denounced and vilified by Republicans.
The Democrat plan was to take the stock holders (insane profit) out of the system. Single payer system.

Our current system is broke. If I go and get 1 test find and get cured the profit margin is low.
If I go in and get 5 test, treated for my symptoms but do not get cured profits for Doctor, clinics,labs, hospital pharmaceuticals, too bad I am still sick, and my premiums go up.

My friend went to see 6 doctors in 3 different clinics, before she was diagnosed and treated, it took over a year and she could not work. Each of the 3 wanted money when she was sick at home for not curing her. It would be like taking your car in for repair and the guy is like, I don't know, let my tire guy look at it, here is my bill. Tire guy, nope not the tires, here is my bill, take it to the body work guy. Body work guy, do not know what is wrong, take it to a partner of ours, here is my bill..... The whole time you can not drive to work to pay the bills.
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Wow... some actual critical thinking in a political thread. I'm impressed brother.
 
Ski said:
Wow... some actual critical thinking in a political thread. I'm impressed brother.
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Thanks.
Sad thing is I just joined because I wanted a 6870 card, but I found I can not post to the 'for sale\trade' or PM until I have 50 post. I did not want to fill the forums with drivel as it seems disrespectful. (FYI post 28)
 
xX_Jack_Carver_Xx said:
Yes, it was the Heritage Foundation that came up with the idea, and Bob Dole who used it as a plank in the GOP platform for his 1996 campaign.

As soon as "the black guy" liked it, it was poison.

Meantime, Vermont will be using the part that the GOP was really secretly scared shitless of.... the part that allows State's (STATES RIGHTS BITCHES) to implement their own plan ... to implement Single Payer Healthcare, scheduled for 2015. No premiums, no deductibles, no co-pays, and all hospitals are converted to NON-PROFIT.

This will spread across Blue America and leave Red America looking like a bunch of dumbasses by 2020.
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Conservatives have been dragged kicking and screaming to every single point of progress in human history. Whether it was ridiculous liberal ideas like banning slavery, a round earth, or an actual universe that the earth was just a small part of, it's all been accepted despite the stamping of feet, wailing, and threats of conservative temper tantrums. It's always been the same in every country, everywhere on earth, there are those that demand change and those that resist it. It shouldn't be any different for you guys, we've all had to drag the fearful forward as they looked back kicking and screaming.
 
xX_Jack_Carver_Xx said:
Yes, it was the Heritage Foundation that came up with the idea, and Bob Dole who used it as a plank in the GOP platform for his 1996 campaign.

As soon as "the black guy" liked it, it was poison. :rolleyes::eek::mad:

Meantime, Vermont will be using the part that the GOP was really secretly scared shitless of.... the part that allows State's (STATES RIGHTS BITCHES) to implement their own plan ... to implement Single Payer Healthcare, scheduled for 2015. No premiums, no deductibles, no co-pays, and all hospitals are converted to NON-PROFIT. :eek::p

This will spread across Blue America and leave Red America looking like a bunch of dumbasses by 2020. :D
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The Republicans on the don't implement it side and Obama & Harry Reid and the rest of the Democrats on the implement it side together shut down the government in a test of wills shutdown the government over it.

You have a nice fairytale, there, but the Democrats own this top to bottom. And trying to claim it was inspired by bad Republican ideas doesn't change that.
 
Twisted Kidney said:
Conservatives have been dragged kicking and screaming to every single point of progress in human history. Whether it was ridiculous liberal ideas like banning slavery, a round earth, or an actual universe that the earth was just a small part of, it's all been accepted despite the stamping of feet, wailing, and threats of conservative temper tantrums. It's always been the same in every country, everywhere on earth, there are those that demand change and those that resist it. It shouldn't be any different for you guys, we've all had to drag the fearful forward as they looked back kicking and screaming.
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Live under single payer for a few years and come back and tell me its progress with a straight face.

But hey, you can't set it on it own merits, you have to drone about 'out of touch conservatives' to sell it.
 
jpm100 said:
Live under single payer for a few years and come back and tell me its progress with a straight face.
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Please explain.
Are you in a single payer system?
What are the disadvantages of a single payer system?
 
sfsuphysics said:
Sad thing is it could work beautifully and the half of the country that still hates Obama simply because he's a democrat will say it's a failure.
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Millions losing their health coverage and/or being forced into much more expensive plans because of Obama care will never be a good thing. You Socialist libs will never get it. :rolleyes:
 
jpm100 said:
Live under single payer for a few years and come back and tell me its progress with a straight face.

But hey, you can't set it on it own merits, you have to drone about 'out of touch conservatives' to sell it.
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I have lived under a single buyer system, it is superior to the current system in every single quantifiable metric.

The United States of America spends more money per capita on healthcare than any two other countries on earth combined.

The United States of America has the word's 38th best healthcare system. Every single system that outperforms the United States for less money is a single buyer system.

The world's 37th best healthcare system (Costa Rica, that's right, better to get sick in Costa Rica than Dallas.) spends just shy of 1/20th as much per capita on healthcare as the United States.

That's great return on investment right there.



The earth is, in fact, round. Just in case you weren't sure.
 
The Democrats "own it", no problem. However....

THE FACT

... remains it is the Heritage Foundation that designed the program, and Bob Dole who ran on it for President in 1996. We have this shit called video tape and newspapers that recorded it, and not before 6,000 yrs ago.

Mean time, I'll take the 2% fraud/abuse/admin cost of the Social Security Administration over the current 50% fraud/waste/abuse/obscene profits of the private healthcare insurance system of today.

I love how conservatives can bitch in outrage over some piss poor guy getting $10 in benefit he might not be entitled to, and then defend to the death a giant corporation defrauding and overcharging by the billion$. THAT is FUNNY/

How could anyone at {H} ever think a stupid website is unfixable and won't be 100% up and running soon enough, especially an "IT professional"? DaFuck.
 
CaffeineMan said:
It is a Republican plan executed by a Democrat denounced and vilified by Republicans.
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Everyone knows who voted for it. Everyone knows who signed it into law. Who gives a damn who came up with the idea? It doesn't work, and if it doesn't work, it's no good, so get rid of it. People are sick of the blame game and the incompetence of their so-called leadership. No, the system as it was certainly wasn't perfect, but this has turned it into an outright nightmare. It still amazes me that there are actually people trying to defend it, and for what, party politics? How pathetic.
 
Despotes said:
Millions losing their health coverage and/or being forced into much more expensive plans because of Obama care will never be a good thing. You Socialist libs will never get it. :rolleyes:
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Please do your own research. Depending on Fox for your talking point can cause embarrassment.
 
CaffeineMan said:
Please do your own research. Depending on Fox for your talking point can cause embarrassment.
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Enough with the "if you disagree then you just watch Fox" crap. It's nothing but a red herring with zero evidence. Find a new talking point.
 
FFFFFFUCK, it won't let me sign up!!!!, It's broken!! :rolleyes::mad:

For some reason, living in Massachusetts and having healthcare insurance prohibits me from being able to sign up on the Federal site ... IT'S BROKEN!!!!! :eek::p
 
Despotes said:
Millions losing their health coverage and/or being forced into much more expensive plans because of Obama care will never be a good thing. You Socialist libs will never get it. :rolleyes:
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wait...what? did obamacare implement a government owned and operated health care system when we weren't looking? when the eff did that happen?:confused:
 
Stiletto said:
If it had succeeded(never), the Democrats would have gotten the credit.

If it failed, the Republicans would get the blame.

Amazing how that works. Very fair.
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are you delusion?

let's get one thing straight...this program will never "fail"
government programs don't "fail" in the sense that we ever scrap them...even if it means dumping a trillion dollars down a rabbit hole. congress will just continue pouring money into it until it "works."

no one can un-ring this bell regardless of the silly shenanigans of trying to repeal it every other day.


and when it come election time every single member of congress, regardless of political affiliation except for tea partiers and or hardcore libertarians, is going to take credit for their role in establishing "universal" health care.

just watch...you'll be able to count on one hand the amount of politicians who run on the platform that they tried to tank the system. just like social security. you hear it talked about all year long but if the time you hear someone actually run on the platform of dismantling social security will be the time in history you witness the fastest thud of a political career.
 
Twisted Kidney said:
I have lived under a single buyer system, it is superior to the current system in every single quantifiable metric.

The United States of America spends more money per capita on healthcare than any two other countries on earth combined.

The United States of America has the word's 38th best healthcare system. Every single system that outperforms the United States for less money is a single buyer system.

The world's 37th best healthcare system (Costa Rica, that's right, better to get sick in Costa Rica than Dallas.) spends just shy of 1/20th as much per capita on healthcare as the United States.

That's great return on investment right there.



The earth is, in fact, round. Just in case you weren't sure.
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I lived under both single payer and then the US system and can say you're full of crap. Firstly I'm well aware that national pride in most countries other than the US lead to those countries puffing their stats. Especially when the government running the stats is essentially making their own report card because they are responsible for healthcare. Surprise they give themselves good marks until there's some glaringly obvious deficiency that can't' be covered over with stats.

The other thing skewing statistics is the US crime rate and drug abuse rates. This leads to a skew on life expectancy and much more demand for trauma care which racks up the bucks. And the effect of life expectancy obscures the benefits of the higher dollar care on the rest of the population.
 
Stiletto said:
Since when is profit insane, especially when the profit margin is much lower than other industries?
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He probably meant it was insane situation when you profit from the sickness and misfortune of others, make more money by providing less quality of care, overcharging for it and where profit is made in an industry were the least humane(most suffering), longest treatment times and least effective method is most profitable and therefore the route the company is obligated to take due to its obligation to 'turn a profit' for 'shareholders'. Shareholders being the richest likely the richest 10% as something along the lines of 85% of all stocks are owned by the top 10%.

So basically, causing pain and suffering for 90% of the people to the benefit of 10% for the sake of profit. Yes, that might be boarding on insane profit 'schemes'.

I live in a single payer country (Canada) and it's quite wonderful. I've had my tonsils removed, taken anti-depressants for a while and seen a doctor on maybe 20-25 occasions over my 30 year life span(mostly during infancy check-ups) and have spent a grand total of about $140.00 over 40 years in health care costs. Do I pay a high tax rate? Yes. Do I have to go bankrupt if I get cancer? No. Do I get substantially better health care in the US and spend less for it? Hell yes.

The problem is that Health Care shouldn't be an industry. Industries aim to make profit. In Canada, the goal is to cure people as quickly and as efficiently as possible so they stop costing the system money. To get them out the door, cured and well so they don't need to come back as soon as possible. Doctors, nurses and other staff are constantly being pushed to try to provide care 'more efficiently' and in some cases in the sense 'cheaper' but in the long run cheaper is generally doing it right the first time. That being said, we don't have 'Death Panels' or any non-sense like that in Canada. Cheaper without sacrificing the patient's health or well-being is always the goal.
 
mope54 said:
are you delusion?

let's get one thing straight...this program will never "fail"
government programs don't "fail" in the sense that we ever scrap them...even if it means dumping a trillion dollars down a rabbit hole. congress will just continue pouring money into it until it "works."

no one can un-ring this bell regardless of the silly shenanigans of trying to repeal it every other day.
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When at the end of the year there are people who have never been without insurance don't have insurance because their old plans were turned off and couldn't enroll in a new plan. Ask them if it failed. I think I know their answer.
 
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