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Tesla is getting too much attention? Elon Musk loved all the attention before the fires. I guess he just has to learn to take the good with bad.

“I realize the new technology should have a spotlight on it, but it shouldn’t have a laser on it,” he says. “We’re getting way to much attention good or bad,” Musk says, but it’s not crazy that Tesla is doing so well. At least, it was, before these fires popped up in the news.
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I bought puts (woo) after the first fire, and I've been reading up on Tesla and Elon. I came to the conclusion that Elon Musk is a sociopath. He wrote it was imperitive that the perception of the Model S stays positive...for the sake of the planet. Because his luxury EV is what's going to stop global warming. Go look at the Tesla company blog, it's right there.

Then you get the non-GAAP earnings, the fake 5.4 star safety rating when the rating maxes at 5 stars, lying about car fire statistics, on and on...from the man who founded PayPal, an unregulated internet bank.

Habitual lying, self-aggrandizing, unethical business practice...yup, sociopath.
 
Aluisious said:
I bought puts (woo) after the first fire, and I've been reading up on Tesla and Elon. I came to the conclusion that Elon Musk is a sociopath. He wrote it was imperitive that the perception of the Model S stays positive...for the sake of the planet. Because his luxury EV is what's going to stop global warming. Go look at the Tesla company blog, it's right there.
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Well to be fair, just about every major car improvement that exists today is because it first existed in a luxury model and then became standard on other cars sometime later. Everything from air conditioning to anti-lock brakes, to airbags.
 
Aluisious said:
I bought puts (woo) after the first fire, and I've been reading up on Tesla and Elon. I came to the conclusion that Elon Musk is a sociopath. He wrote it was imperitive that the perception of the Model S stays positive...for the sake of the planet. Because his luxury EV is what's going to stop global warming. Go look at the Tesla company blog, it's right there.

Then you get the non-GAAP earnings, the fake 5.4 star safety rating when the rating maxes at 5 stars, lying about car fire statistics, on and on...from the man who founded PayPal, an unregulated internet bank.

Habitual lying, self-aggrandizing, unethical business practice...yup, sociopath.
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You don't know many business owners it sounds like, especially ones who attempting to be game changers.
 
Aluisious said:
I bought puts (woo) after the first fire, and I've been reading up on Tesla and Elon. I came to the conclusion that Elon Musk is a sociopath. He wrote it was imperitive that the perception of the Model S stays positive...for the sake of the planet. Because his luxury EV is what's going to stop global warming. Go look at the Tesla company blog, it's right there.

Then you get the non-GAAP earnings, the fake 5.4 star safety rating when the rating maxes at 5 stars, lying about car fire statistics, on and on...from the man who founded PayPal, an unregulated internet bank.

Habitual lying, self-aggrandizing, unethical business practice...yup, sociopath.
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The 5 star rating is the maximum allowed advertised rating. Essentially anything above 5 stars is given 5 stars. Tesla scored higher and chose to advertise the higher number. The NHTSA has now made it against guidelines to use the higher numbers.

The data is available to see and compare.
 
To be fair, Apple has gotten much more attention after just one iPad going up in flames vs 3 Teslas becoming portable marshmallow roasters.
But hey, I don't see Tim Cook crying about it, he just lets you know how you're charging it wrong!
 
I didn't hear about the fires before this thread :). I guess I've been under a rock
 
Give me a break people. We are driving around in cars full of fucking highly flammable gasoline. Li-Ion has its dangers, but the threat of fire and explosion after a crash is significantly less than gas-powered vehicles.
 
The only reason his company is still around is when it was going under the government threw more money at him which sustained his company long enough to get his cars working correctly to finally get out to customers. I forget the documentary name I watched about this company but I vividly remember the person filming it couldnt even get his own electric car working correctly. His company should have been bankrupt, sorry but Tucker had better car innovations then this guy and he got put out by the big 3.
 
Rather use batteries then use a flamable fuel that explodes several times a second inside a metal can.
 
wabbitseason said:
Give me a break people. We are driving around in cars full of fucking highly flammable gasoline. Li-Ion has its dangers, but the threat of fire and explosion after a crash is significantly less than gas-powered vehicles.
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No it isn't, apparently. The stats for car fires in crashes are way lower.

Of course the Leaf hasn't had any fires, but Nissan already made cars.
 
Aluisious said:
I bought puts (woo) after the first fire, and I've been reading up on Tesla and Elon. I came to the conclusion that Elon Musk is a sociopath. He wrote it was imperitive that the perception of the Model S stays positive...for the sake of the planet. Because his luxury EV is what's going to stop global warming. Go look at the Tesla company blog, it's right there.

Then you get the non-GAAP earnings, the fake 5.4 star safety rating when the rating maxes at 5 stars, lying about car fire statistics, on and on...from the man who founded PayPal, an unregulated internet bank.

Habitual lying, self-aggrandizing, unethical business practice...yup, sociopath.
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Replace "reading up," with "forming opinions from selected sources,"

Seriously, who is more likely to be a sociopath: A driven CEO who has built more then one successful company, each creating many jobs, providing products and services that people want and vehemently defending his company; or a guy on an internet forum who has managed to form a very detailed option, wholly negative, of a man whom he has never met, not to mention has no idea what it's like to create or run a multi billion dollar company?
 
Two of the three fires involved something ripping through the battery compartment, one of those items was a discarded trailer hitch, or maybe one of those comical, and yet disturbing truck nuts.

If anything it points out the design flaw, of having a thin skinned battery compartment bolted to the underside, purely for the convenience of the battery swap stations they plan on building across the US.
 
HAQattaq said:
This is a great interview with Elon Musk. The man is trying to change the world.

http://foundation.bz/20/
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I can't imagine what's in his mind. I imagine myself, seeing everything that is wrong with everything out there from politics to the way we commute to work, maybe bitch and moan on the internet, perhaps a good rant or two occasionally, but at the end of the day anything I say or do more likely than not will not do a thing to change anything. Now here comes a guy who has the financial backing to change the world, or at least put a pretty large ripple in in that pond, and to still be hammered with opposition because there's a certain segment that likes the status quo, or perhaps people who simply want to see people of wealth/power fail.

This guy is not a mega-corp like GE, and comparatively speaking he doesn't have that kind of financial muscle either, but he does have a lot of financial muscle for an individual, and he's trying his best to make things work. Look at the history of state of the art for any sort of economical cars, very often first argument is it's too ugly, he makes a sexy car... still find issues with it all the while driving your Honda Civic. His car is all electric, first argument with electric cars is that they have no range, his car has more range than anything every created and it's and it's a 10 year old car, then you complain that you can't go on vacation in it, all the while living a multi-car family. Oh my god he's having a couple of isolated issues with the car, well lets crucify him... btw how's that Ford, Toyota, Honda, you name the car it's had problems.
 
okashira said:
Replace "reading up," with "forming opinions from selected sources,"

Seriously, who is more likely to be a sociopath: A driven CEO who has built more then one successful company, each creating many jobs, providing products and services that people want and vehemently defending his company; or a guy on an internet forum who has managed to form a very detailed option, wholly negative, of a man whom he has never met, not to mention has no idea what it's like to create or run a multi billion dollar company?
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While I agree that the word was misused, you should read "The Psychopath Test" by Jon Ronson. CEOs might indeed be more likely to be psychopaths/sociopaths than someone typing words they don't understand on the Interwebz to insult people. :D
 
okashira said:
Replace "reading up," with "forming opinions from selected sources,"

Seriously, who is more likely to be a sociopath: A driven CEO who has built more then one successful company, each creating many jobs, providing products and services that people want and vehemently defending his company; or a guy on an internet forum who has managed to form a very detailed option, wholly negative, of a man whom he has never met, not to mention has no idea what it's like to create or run a multi billion dollar company?
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Owned.


Aluisious: you are nothing compared to Elon Musk. This guy could be sitting around wasting his time with his billions from paypal. Instead, he's running innovative companies like Tesla and Space-X that address huge problems he sees with where humanity is headed. Instead he puts of hundreds of millions of dollars of his own cash to fund crazy things that just might work.

Kennedy put forth a challenge to America on May 25, 1961 to put a man on the moon by the end of the decade. Eight years later we made it happen, through determination, committment, and a lot of vision. Now we're more concerned with the next fucking Twitter post than the next NASA mission. We've stopped dreaming big. Musk is one of the few who gives me hope for mankind. And I'm not even close to 30 yet.

Have you ever watched an interview with this guy? He's completely humble! He actually cares about this world. His perspective, unlike most rich people, isn't to "grab what you can before the whole thing comes crashing down". I suspect yours is.
 
wabbitseason said:
Have you ever watched an interview with this guy? He's completely humble! He actually cares about this world. His perspective, unlike most rich people, isn't to "grab what you can before the whole thing comes crashing down". I suspect yours is.
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It's easy to act humble. You don't get where he is by being humble.
 
Give me a break people. We are driving around in cars full of fucking highly flammable gasoline. Li-Ion has its dangers, but the threat of fire and explosion after a crash is significantly less than gas-powered vehicles.
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In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

Automobile fires are consistently among the largest causes of fire death in the United States
(about 500 annually) and
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http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire07/PDF/f07065.pdf

Three Tesla fires out of how many on the road compared to about 500 annually out of how many cars on the road in the US?
Overall, there were an estimated 254.4 million registered passenger vehicles in the United States according to a 2007 DOT study.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_vehicles_in_the_United_States

I think three fires in Teslas in this short time out of so few on the road warrants a good look even if just because it's a pretty new design and incorporates some new design features that differ from more proven designs.
 
It seems like the car handled the issue quite gracefully.. it sustained big impact trauma on the freeway, the fire broke out after the driver had stopped and left the car, the fire was contained to a small section of the front of the car only (via internal firewalls built to keep things contained). I dunno, sounds more like a good testament to how well these cars are built to me.
 
lcpiper said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year


http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire07/PDF/f07065.pdf

Three Tesla fires out of how many on the road compared to about 500 annually out of how many cars on the road in the US?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_vehicles_in_the_United_States

I think three fires in Teslas in this short time out of so few on the road warrants a good look even if just because it's a pretty new design and incorporates some new design features that differ from more proven designs.
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Facepalm. That's 500 FIRE DEATHS in automobiles in the US per year. The number for Tesla cars a would be zero.
 
Not just fires, there's been zero deaths or even serious injuries in any Tesla car, for any reason, dating back to 2008. This includes the car fire in Mexico, where the drunks drove 100MPH through a concrete wall and hit a tree, yet were uninjured and all ran away, and the head-on collision in early April where the other 2 people died, while the Tesla driver merely opened the door and walked out himself, and without any fire.

As for Elon Musk, a multi-billionaire who could buy a different brand new Lamborghini Aventador EVERY SINGLE DAY for the rest of his life, you really get the sense he's doing all this because he truly believes in it, and he does it because he just wants to see it happen. Say what you will about him, but he's right up there with Bill Gates and Henry Ford, for having original vision and a combination of all the qualities and variables needed to see it through (creativity, cleverness, charisma, drive, etc). Even people like that rarely are able to strike gold in just one industry, yet he's already conquered at least 3. Although I wouldn't consider him a sociopath, people like that are rarely "normal"....You don't change the world by looking at things and thinking in the same way as everyone else. Being staid and predictable won't take you to CEO......unless maybe its pre-bailout GM :D
 
Draax said:
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-Inigo Montoya
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I know exactly what it means. I have other words to describe people who think they understand what I'm thinking based on assumptions.
 
okashira said:
Replace "reading up," with "forming opinions from selected sources,"

Seriously, who is more likely to be a sociopath: A driven CEO who has built more then one successful company, each creating many jobs, providing products and services that people want and vehemently defending his company; or a guy on an internet forum who has managed to form a very detailed option, wholly negative, of a man whom he has never met, not to mention has no idea what it's like to create or run a multi billion dollar company?
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Hitler created many jobs and you've never formed a facist party. Your entire little rant is irrelevant.
 
Aluisious said:
Bullshit
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The only response I will dignify that with is that you should consider acquainting yourself more thoroughly with the details of the news you choose to argue about.
 
Electric cars are not new.

Today, 100 years later, they are doing better.

When you consider the task at hand, moving large weights with acceleration and deacceleration, you end up knowing that chemical power is problematic.

Electric cars are going to jump in technology in the next decade. And they will replace chemical automobiles. Not because the Government says so. But because of the market. It will be cheaper to make and operate electric cars than it will be to use chemical cars.

Or are you lighting your home with gas lamps still>?
 
Aluisious said:
I know exactly what it means. I have other words to describe people who think they understand what I'm thinking based on assumptions.
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If you know what it means, then why did you misuse it?
 
Oh look its this thread again. Teslas are so dangerous that nobody has ever died in one. I guess you all feel much safer strapped to a 18 gallon can of highly flammable gasoline. :rolleyes:
 
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