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SeaFoam said:
DO YOU EVEN LIFT BRO?
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no not really. mainly just push ups and a few curls twice a week. no bench press or heavy lifting at all. that pic was 3 years ago at 165 lbs after I had just lost 70 lbs of the 95 I had gained after quitting bicycle racing.

Drheadbang, yeah that skin does not snap back so easy. I got some sag myself from gaining so much weight then losing a few times. in my 20s there was hardly a pinch of fat or skin on me. grrr
 
People posting pictures in this thread made bunny cry.

ALL diet pills on the market are shit these days.

I agree that you wont really lose weight by just adding these pills or even a real ECA stack. BUT, people who did use ECA to get ripped did get results with them in combination with strict dedication.

Also, low doses of ECA is an effective morning pick me up. Scares the shit out of me now though. SPEED KILLS PEOPLE!!!
 
next-Jin said:
Lol @ vegans
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Say what you want, but I've never felt better (more energy, faster recovery). Eating plant-based is the best thing you can do for yourself, health-wise. Not just eating soy/seitan mock meats and saying "I SAVE ANIMALZ!!!!!" (no animal is saved because you decided to have a salad).
 
HardUp4HardWare said:
People posting pictures in this thread made bunny cry.

ALL diet pills on the market are shit these days.

I agree that you wont really lose weight by just adding these pills or even a real ECA stack. BUT, people who did use ECA to get ripped did get results with them in combination with strict dedication.

Also, low doses of ECA is an effective morning pick me up. Scares the shit out of me now though. SPEED KILLS PEOPLE!!!
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ECA stack definitely works, it is really the only legal OTC that has ever worked that I can recall. If diet pills do work, they are usually dangerous and are usually illegal (without a prescription anyway).
 
zaxour said:
Say what you want, but I've never felt better (more energy, faster recovery). Eating plant-based is the best thing you can do for yourself, health-wise. Not just eating soy/seitan mock meats and saying "I SAVE ANIMALZ!!!!!" (no animal is saved because you decided to have a salad).
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I agree...to a point, eating non-processed foods is probably the most important thing. Then not eating a lot of sugar is probably next to that...then not eating a lot of red meat after that....as far as lean meat (fish, turkey, dolphin, whale, chicken) eat as much as you want. Any diet that changes your entire lifestyle is probably the best bet. Eating Vegan mainly works because it forces you to not eat any of the garbage food ever, same with the paleo diet.
 
I lost about 50 lbs doing P90X and eating fairly healthy. The only supplements I would take are a multivitamin and protein shakes.
 
Placebo effect is a bitch ain't it?

Huxley hit the nail on the head. Veganism is a cultural fad, outside of the original concerns for animal well-being. It offers nothing that a well structured diet of wholly unprocessed foods can not offer as well. Same thing with "Gluten Free" diets. Lots of people do have serious issues with Gluten, but I'd bet that 75% of the people repping that diet nowadays have no gluten sensitivity and thus no need for such dietary concerns.

Side note, know any good places where I could get dolphin or whale steaks? Sounds delicious and [H]!
 
No offense, but when did [H] become bodybuilding.com?

Please stop before I go on a rant about how most people need to get stronger and gain, not lose, weight, and how most people looking to "lose weight" should be trying to lose FAT instead. But they'd rather continue losing muscle mass and be happy with their "weight loss".
 
skritch said:
No offense, but when did [H] become bodybuilding.com?

Please stop before I go on a rant about how most people need to get stronger and gain, not lose, weight, and how most people looking to "lose weight" should be trying to lose FAT instead. But they'd rather continue losing muscle mass and be happy with their "weight loss".
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Nerds can be buff too, embrace the swole!
 
This thread is getting pretty off topic..... but it's just too damn entertaining...

skritch said:
Yes, they can. I guarantee you I outlift everyone here.
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SOUNDS LIKE A CHALLENGE TO LIFT SOME HEAVY ASS WEIGHT.
 
g3no said:
Placebo effect is a bitch ain't it?

Huxley hit the nail on the head. Veganism is a cultural fad, outside of the original concerns for animal well-being. It offers nothing that a well structured diet of wholly unprocessed foods can not offer as well. Same thing with "Gluten Free" diets. Lots of people do have serious issues with Gluten, but I'd bet that 75% of the people repping that diet nowadays have no gluten sensitivity and thus no need for such dietary concerns.

Side note, know any good places where I could get dolphin or whale steaks? Sounds delicious and [H]!
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According to research by Dr. T Colin Campbell and Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn (both of whom appear in forks over knives), it appears that eating animal proteins, in particular casein results in higher mortality rates from cancer and heart disease.

I used to have constant sinus issues until I cut out dairy from my diet. Further, when I tried the P90X diet (you eat ~1-2 lbs of lean meat per day), I found I was always tired and couldn't focus. After switching to a primarily vegan/plant-based diet, I always feel pretty great.

Veganism is a cultural thing/fad, but a plant-based diet is simply that: a way of eating. I'm not really into the ethical side of veganism, I just don't think eating meat is best for my long term health.
 
zaxour said:
According to research by Dr. T Colin Campbell and Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn (both of whom appear in forks over knives), it appears that eating animal proteins, in particular casein results in higher mortality rates from cancer and heart disease.

I used to have constant sinus issues until I cut out dairy from my diet. Further, when I tried the P90X diet (you eat ~1-2 lbs of lean meat per day), I found I was always tired and couldn't focus. After switching to a primarily vegan/plant-based diet, I always feel pretty great.

Veganism is a cultural thing/fad, but a plant-based diet is simply that: a way of eating. I'm not really into the ethical side of veganism, I just don't think eating meat is best for my long term health.
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There is a lot of research out there. The problem with it, is that there is very little long term research. The research that exists cannot be proven as the sample size is not large enough and there are many many other factors to consider in someones life without a huge sample size. I think that is why there is so much arguing and disagreement in the "nutrition" field...because evidence is often anecdotal. Not to mention that there are multiple answers to the problem of obesity and longevity.

Another thing to consider, there is growing evidence that body builders live significantly shorter lifespan, is that from all the protein? Is it from the taxing of the body? Is this just anecdotal as well? Who knows. Most evidence shows that a healthy diet with moderate exercise is probably the best route. The problem is that most of us fall into one extreme or the other, super fit (maybe too fit) or super out of shape and a smaller percentage in the middle.
 
huxley said:
Another thing to consider, there is growing evidence that body builders live significantly shorter lifespan, is that from all the protein? Is it from the taxing of the body? Is this just anecdotal as well? Who knows. Most evidence shows that a healthy diet with moderate exercise is probably the best route. The problem is that most of us fall into one extreme or the other, super fit (maybe too fit) or super out of shape and a smaller percentage in the middle.
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I hate to add to this mess, but as far as most pro and amateur bodybuilders are concerned (here I define "bodybuilder" as "someone who competes actively in the 'sport' of bodybuilding"), their health problems are directly attributable to two things: The ridiculously, unhealthily low bodyfat percentages they carry onto the stage (we're talking under 2%...a guy I know is 5 weeks out from a show and he just got tanked at 2.7%. 2.7% at 5 weeks out means he'll be around 1.5% or lower come pre-judging.), and the egregious amounts of steroids and prescription diuretics they abuse. We're talking north of 5 grams a week, easily. That's INSANE. And that's not including things like Lasix, insulin, and certain peptides which'll either outright kill you on the spot if you get something wrong, or just shut down your internal organs so you can wake up dead the next day.
 
kuhla said:
This thread is getting pretty off topic..... but it's just too damn entertaining...



SOUNDS LIKE A CHALLENGE TO LIFT SOME HEAVY ASS WEIGHT.
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Challenge accepted, lol

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Nice work, but I think the sarcasm you're completely missing out on.

Though I agree with your above post about people losing weight. These stim pills work great if you're looking for extra energy throughout the day, and gain that extra little nudge. But, diet and sleep is the most important part. Gaining muscle mass is the best way to cut the fat out!
 
Cmustang87 said:
Nice work, but I think the sarcasm you're completely missing out on.

Though I agree with your above post about people losing weight. These stim pills work great if you're looking for extra energy throughout the day, and gain that extra little nudge. But, diet and sleep is the most important part. Gaining muscle mass is the best way to cut the fat out!
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Strong people can be socially awkward, too!

But we're also nice, so I won't harp on the poor grammatical structure of that first sentence. Specifically, I'll avoid pointing out the lack of a verb phrase acting as the object of the main verb.


Alternative answer: That was sarcasm? It's so hard to tell these days, with weak, skinny people posting shots of their "muscles" everywhere.
 
I also like to end sentences in prepositions!

EDIT: I will add though, if anyone is sensitive to caffeine or stimulants to be careful, they can make you extremely jittery and make people wonder if you're on drugs.
 
Cmustang87 said:
Though I agree with your above post about people losing weight. These stim pills work great if you're looking for extra energy throughout the day, and gain that extra little nudge. But, diet and sleep is the most important part. Gaining muscle mass is the best way to cut the fat out!
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Thank you. The pedantic preaching from all the self-appointed experts has grown tiresome.

Max bench/squat/deadlift/etc. is for high school sophomores who wear tight shirts to impress the cheerleaders. Train yourself to compete in the U.S. Army's "Best Ranger Competition" if you want to feel peak fitness.
 
Tyler-Durden said:
Thank you. The pedantic preaching from all the self-appointed experts has grown tiresome.

Max bench/squat/deadlift/etc. is for high school sophomores who wear tight shirts to impress the cheerleaders. Train yourself to compete in the U.S. Army's "Best Ranger Competition" if you want to feel peak fitness.
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Or train to compete nationally in a sport like powerlifting, which happens to be squat, bench press, and deadlift. "Fitness" without context is meaningless. One is fit for a particular purpose. Winners of the Army's "Best Ranger Competition" are at the peak of fitness for a Ranger. Or, more correctly, at the peak of fitness for that particular competition, which may or may not accurately represent the typical daily demands on a Ranger in combat.

This is why so many people have such a poor opinion of CrossFit. "Forging Elite Fitness" is only true if that statement is only applied to the various WODs and the CrossFit games. But they insist that CrossFit makes them top athletes at anything and everything, which rubs a whole lot of people the wrong way.

Pick something physical you want to excel at. Train your ass off for it. Don't Fool yourself into thinking it generalizes beyond that particular task.

For example, I squatted 740 lbs in training the other week. That's more than my motorcycle weighs, wet or dry. That doesn't mean I can squat my motorcycle. Not unless it was cut and mounted so half the weight was at either end of a regulation 8ft. squat bar.
 
skritch said:
Strong people can be socially awkward, too!

But we're also nice, so I won't harp on the poor grammatical structure of that first sentence. Specifically, I'll avoid pointing out the lack of a verb phrase acting as the object of the main verb.


Alternative answer: That was sarcasm? It's so hard to tell these days, with weak, skinny people posting shots of their "muscles" everywhere.
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You're coming off as kind of a meat head...like deadlifting 600lbs is the end all be all. Most people would prefer to lift a decent amount and remain somewhat cut, not huge and bulky...then again, to each their own, having goals is important for everyone and its hard not to be really into what is motivating you.
 
He's not saying it's the end all be all. He's just saying he's trained to be good at what he does. That's being part of a powerlifting team.

He's using an example.
 
huxley said:
You're coming off as kind of a meat head...like deadlifting 600lbs is the end all be all. Most people would prefer to lift a decent amount and remain somewhat cut, not huge and bulky...
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No, actually I'm one of the weakest deadlifters on my team. The rest all pull in the low-to-mid 700s. And that's still weak compared to another team an hour or so away that has a few people that pull over 800.

Meathead is a relative term. It smacks of accusing someone of cheating when they're better than you at a game (and calling them a noob when you're better than them).
 
Ok, I think I see what he is saying...something about skinny people thinking they are muscular because they are cut? I think its just an era thing, thin and lean is more in than bigger and stronger these days. I don't think people pose and think they are super strong, just that they have low bf % or are cut.

edit: and just to be fair, I do a strength training program myself, only core lifts, 3 times a week, I definitely respect the idea of increasing strength by heavy, compound lifts and avoiding 7 day a week isometric madness.
 
huxley said:
Ok, I think I see what he is saying...something about skinny people thinking they are muscular because they are cut? I think its just an era thing, thin and lean is more in than bigger and stronger these days. I don't think people pose and think they are super strong, just that they have low bf % or are cut.

edit: and just to be fair, I do a strength training program myself, only core lifts, 3 times a week, I definitely respect the idea of increasing strength by heavy, compound lifts and avoiding 7 day a week isometric madness.
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What I'm saying is there are a whole lot of skinny people who think they're muscular and cut who post photos of themselves posing online. Ronnie Coleman is muscular and cut. He also looks like that for half a day, a few days a year. What I'm saying is that the average male these days is being presented with body images and advice just as bad if not worse than those foisted on women by the likes of Cosmopolitan, and creating equally problematic eating issues for men. What I'm saying is that the retouched, computer-enhanced photos of "men" you see in the media are lies, not goals. What I'm saying is a man -- an actual male, someone toting around a Y chromosome and whose primary hormone production is comprised overwhelmingly of testosterone -- should weigh more than a woman. And should not think wearing her jeans is the height of fashion.
 
Just so I understand your point, what would you define as a proper lifestyle, exercise and diet be for a guy?
 
skritch said:
Or train to compete nationally in a sport like powerlifting, which happens to be squat, bench press, and deadlift. "Fitness" without context is meaningless. One is fit for a particular purpose. Winners of the Army's "Best Ranger Competition" are at the peak of fitness for a Ranger. Or, more correctly, at the peak of fitness for that particular competition, which may or may not accurately represent the typical daily demands on a Ranger in combat.

This is why so many people have such a poor opinion of CrossFit. "Forging Elite Fitness" is only true if that statement is only applied to the various WODs and the CrossFit games. But they insist that CrossFit makes them top athletes at anything and everything, which rubs a whole lot of people the wrong way.

Pick something physical you want to excel at. Train your ass off for it. Don't Fool yourself into thinking it generalizes beyond that particular task.

For example, I squatted 740 lbs in training the other week. That's more than my motorcycle weighs, wet or dry. That doesn't mean I can squat my motorcycle. Not unless it was cut and mounted so half the weight was at either end of a regulation 8ft. squat bar.
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I've trained for both competitions. Pro/amateur competitive lifters train with the best of nutrition, sleep, exercise and recovery science at their backs. Ranger school did an excellent job of humbling this former power lifter.

We're taking this thread way off topic -- my fault, too. Time to stop before the mods lock this thread.
 
Tyler-Durden said:
I've trained for both competitions. Pro/amateur competitive lifters train with the best of nutrition, sleep, exercise and recovery science at their backs. Ranger school did an excellent job of humbling this former power lifter.

We're taking this thread way off topic -- my fault, too. Time to stop before the mods lock this thread.
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Agreed.
 
skritch said:
Or train to compete nationally in a sport like powerlifting, which happens to be squat, bench press, and deadlift. "Fitness" without context is meaningless. One is fit for a particular purpose. Winners of the Army's "Best Ranger Competition" are at the peak of fitness for a Ranger. Or, more correctly, at the peak of fitness for that particular competition, which may or may not accurately represent the typical daily demands on a Ranger in combat.

This is why so many people have such a poor opinion of CrossFit. "Forging Elite Fitness" is only true if that statement is only applied to the various WODs and the CrossFit games. But they insist that CrossFit makes them top athletes at anything and everything, which rubs a whole lot of people the wrong way.

Pick something physical you want to excel at. Train your ass off for it. Don't Fool yourself into thinking it generalizes beyond that particular task.

For example, I squatted 740 lbs in training the other week. That's more than my motorcycle weighs, wet or dry. That doesn't mean I can squat my motorcycle. Not unless it was cut and mounted so half the weight was at either end of a regulation 8ft. squat bar.
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This why I do Crossfit Football far more of a complete package program.
 
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