Windows 8 over Windows 7

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I'm sure I'm missing some things....

  • New and improved performance
    • Consumes less RAM and CPU cycles
    • More granular prioritization of memory
    • Improved hardware accleration
    • Changes and reductions to services
    • Improved power management
    • Faster boot time
    • Text acceleration
    • Improved image rendering
    • Improved geometry rendering

  • New and improved security
    • Integrated anti-malware protection
    • Randomizing memory
    • Better memory allocation
    • Smart screen
    • Guard pages
    • Safer Wi-Fi
    • Secure boot
    • Metro apps are sandboxed
    • ASLR and exploit mitigations

  • New and improved features
    • Better task manager
    • Native ISO support
    • Reset & Refresh
    • New chkdsk
    • File history
    • Storage Spaces & Hyper-V
    • Better multiple-monitor support
    • Improved copy function and dialog box
    • Storage spaces
    • Account sync
    • Better sharing for social media
    • Applocker

Sources - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9
 
itschop said:
I'm sure I'm missing some things....

  • New and improved performance
    • Consumes less RAM and CPU cycles
    • More granular prioritization of memory
    • Improved hardware accleration
    • Changes and reductions to services
    • Improved power management
    • Faster boot time
    • Text acceleration
    • Improved image rendering
    • Improved geometry rendering

  • New and improved security
    • Integrated anti-malware protection
    • Randomizing memory
    • Better memory allocation
    • Smart screen
    • Guard pages
    • Safer Wi-Fi
    • Secure boot
    • Metro apps are sandboxed
    • ASLR and exploit mitigations

  • New and improved features
    • Better task manager
    • Native ISO support
    • Reset & Refresh
    • New chkdsk
    • File history
    • Storage Spaces & Hyper-V
    • Better multiple-monitor support
    • Improved copy function and dialog box
    • Storage spaces
    • Account sync
    • Better sharing for social media
    • Applocker

Sources - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9
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1. Metro.
 
itschop said:
I'm sure I'm missing some things....

  • New and improved performance
    • Consumes less RAM and CPU cycles
    • More granular prioritization of memory
    • Improved hardware accleration
    • Changes and reductions to services
    • Improved power management
    • Faster boot time
    • Text acceleration
    • Improved image rendering
    • Improved geometry rendering

  • New and improved security
    • Integrated anti-malware protection
    • Randomizing memory
    • Better memory allocation
    • Smart screen
    • Guard pages
    • Safer Wi-Fi
    • Secure boot
    • Metro apps are sandboxed
    • ASLR and exploit mitigations

  • New and improved features
    • Better task manager
    • Native ISO support
    • Reset & Refresh
    • New chkdsk
    • File history
    • Storage Spaces & Hyper-V
    • Better multiple-monitor support
    • Improved copy function and dialog box
    • Storage spaces
    • Account sync
    • Better sharing for social media
    • Applocker

Sources - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9
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Funny in my benchmarks Windows 7 is still quicker. Encoding video, video games I've tested... they are neck and neck but Windows 7 wins every battle I've tossed at them and that's what I use my OS for... so I dunno, good on paper, fail IRL maybe?

It definitely runs great on older machines with little ram, so it's got that going for it. I bought the 5 license startisback, metro is just an embarrassment.

I think the problem is that on a current high end rig the issues Windows 8 has outshines things like lower memory usage. When people are running 16 or 32 GB ram it doesn't matter, but on older machines with 2 or 4 GB it does. If all of the things you listed were true Windows 8 would smoke Windows 7...and some reviews skew it to make you think that they do but when testing the things I do with it, Windows 7 was still champ.
 
Suspi said:
Oh boy, I can use Metro in Windows 7? Let me jump right on that...
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No you cannot. You cannot run Metro applications in Windows 7. What is explained in the article is a free program that runs in Windows 7 and simulate Windows 8 Metro UI. That is all.
 
dnottis said:
Not true... http://www.thegeeksolutions.in/2011/09/how-to-enable-windows-8-metro-ui-in.html#.UM8aueQ822g

Although installing Metro would be the equivalent to putting wheel barrow tires on your sports car. Not only have your ruined the car, you're openly admitting you've given up on life.
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Not at all accurate what you just said there. I just bought a new car but initially could not find the light switch. (I had to get the manual to find it.) Windows 8 is like that, it places some things on dash board in different places but the steering wheel and tires are still the same.
 
ManofGod said:
Not at all accurate what you just said there. I just bought a new car but initially could not find the light switch. (I had to get the manual to find it.) Windows 8 is like that, it places some things on dash board in different places but the steering wheel and tires are still the same.
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no, metro gimps the UI.
 
dnottis said:
no, metro gimps the UI.
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Hahahaha.... whatever, not really worth debating about it. I like it, you do not, that is ok. I am looking forward to version 2 and any enhancements they eventually add.
 
ManofGod said:
Hahahaha.... whatever, not really worth debating about it. I like it, you do not, that is ok. I am looking forward to version 2 and any enhancements they eventually add.
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SP1 and the removal of Metro. Me too.
 
Windows 7 has integrated anti-malware (Windows Defender). Windows 8 adds integrated anti-virus.

Windows 7, like Windows 8, has glyph (text) acceleration.

Some of the features listed are exclusive to Windows 8 Pro. I'm not sure if that's a consideration for your list, though.
 
dnottis said:
no, metro gimps the UI.
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Maybe if you don't understand anything about computers it does. Those of us proficient in using Windows 7, however, are capable of using Windows 8 just fine as well, since it's a matter of only using Metro when you feel it's appropriate to do so.
 
fdiaz78 said:
1. Metro.
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2. The inability to perform large file copies.

I've got a folder with 27,000 files in it totaling 6.5TB in size on another server. If I attempt to copy it to a local Storage Space, Windows performs the pre-copy procedures, then aborts the copy process without an error or any sort of notification. Instead of pulling from the server, I have to remote into it and then push the files.
 
TeeJayHoward said:
2. The inability to perform large file copies.

I've got a folder with 27,000 files in it totaling 6.5TB in size on another server. If I attempt to copy it to a local Storage Space, Windows performs the pre-copy procedures, then aborts the copy process without an error or any sort of notification. Instead of pulling from the server, I have to remote into it and then push the files.
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Do you have any actual empirical evidence (or a link to some), or is this just your own personal problem that only you have? What proceedure were you using to copy the files specifically?
 
Dogs said:
Do you have any actual empirical evidence (or a link to some), or is this just your own personal problem that only you have? What proceedure were you using to copy the files specifically?
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My own personal problem. I would right-click the folder on the mounted drive, select copy, right-click an empty space on the local Storage Spaces, and select paste. Not a very complex procedure, but it fails 100% of the time. I've also right-click drag and dropped, and left-click drag and dropped. All three resulted in the same failure.

And it only occurs with the GUI. If I execute a copy or diskcopy command through DOS, it works. If I push from the server, it works. Rsyncing from another computer works. The files are all fine, it's just the Windows copy GUI that doesn't work, and it only doesn't work with either a very large number of files, or a large overall file size. (I haven't determined which yet, and honestly, I don't care since I've found a workaround)
 
TeeJayHoward said:
My own personal problem. I would right-click the folder on the mounted drive, select copy, right-click an empty space on the local Storage Spaces, and select paste. Not a very complex procedure, but it fails 100% of the time. I've also right-click drag and dropped, and left-click drag and dropped. All three resulted in the same failure.
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It would be interesting to try and reproduce this problem in different environments to see if it actually is a Windows 8 bug. I would imagine your use scenario is not a very common one, so if it is a real bug, Microsoft won't be getting much feedback on it.

TeeJayHoward said:
And it only occurs with the GUI. If I execute a copy or diskcopy command through DOS, it works. If I push from the server, it works. Rsyncing from another computer works. The files are all fine, it's just the Windows copy GUI that doesn't work, and it only doesn't work with either a very large number of files, or a large overall file size. (I haven't determined which yet, and honestly, I don't care since I've found a workaround)
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Yeah, I would advocate that if you're doing a large copy like that, over a network, you're far better off using something like robocopy from the command line.
 
wonderfield said:
Windows 7 has integrated anti-malware (Windows Defender). Windows 8 adds integrated anti-virus.

Windows 7, like Windows 8, has glyph (text) acceleration.

Some of the features listed are exclusive to Windows 8 Pro. I'm not sure if that's a consideration for your list, though.
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But the text acceleration has been improved in Windows 8 if you read the article sources. Hence the "New and improved" title.
 
bigdogchris said:
Keep your greasy fingers off my computer monitor. Thanks.
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Fingers are not a requirement to use Windows Store applications. Mouse and keyboard work just fine.

I've watched people having Wordament parties on a big screen TV using mouse and keyboard. Quite fun.
 
Eww, Consumer Reports is recommending to not upgrade to 8.

I happen to agree and am glad the casual consumers are getting the right advice.
 
I got a free copy of the professional Win8 x64. s'okay, that's about it.

It was useless as hell to me till I got my start menu replacement program installed. I also notice Win8 crashes more than Win7.

Seriously the only time I ever had a blue screen crash is when I was experimenting with some overclock stuff on my GPUs. With Win8, I can leave it sitting at the desktop and some days it will randomly crash while doing nothing. Other days it's rock solid.

Overall Win8 is very unpredictable. I remember leaving my Win7 machine up and running just fine for a week or two and never having an issue. I'd be royally pissed if I had spent my own money for what amounts to a useless upgrade.

The only really useful feature to me is the new method of copy/paste/move and the ability to pause one transfer to speed up the other. That's about it.
 
collegeboy69us said:
I got a free copy of the professional Win8 x64. s'okay, that's about it.

It was useless as hell to me till I got my start menu replacement program installed. I also notice Win8 crashes more than Win7.

Seriously the only time I ever had a blue screen crash is when I was experimenting with some overclock stuff on my GPUs. With Win8, I can leave it sitting at the desktop and some days it will randomly crash while doing nothing. Other days it's rock solid.

Overall Win8 is very unpredictable. I remember leaving my Win7 machine up and running just fine for a week or two and never having an issue. I'd be royally pissed if I had spent my own money for what amounts to a useless upgrade.
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My experience is quite the opposite.
I've never seen the blue screen of sadness in Windows 8, both 7 and 8 being rock solid even after leaving the machine on for months at a time.
 
collegeboy69us said:
I got a free copy of the professional Win8 x64. s'okay, that's about it.

It was useless as hell to me till I got my start menu replacement program installed. I also notice Win8 crashes more than Win7.

Seriously the only time I ever had a blue screen crash is when I was experimenting with some overclock stuff on my GPUs. With Win8, I can leave it sitting at the desktop and some days it will randomly crash while doing nothing. Other days it's rock solid.

Overall Win8 is very unpredictable. I remember leaving my Win7 machine up and running just fine for a week or two and never having an issue. I'd be royally pissed if I had spent my own money for what amounts to a useless upgrade.

The only really useful feature to me is the new method of copy/paste/move and the ability to pause one transfer to speed up the other. That's about it.
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Sounds to me more like it could be an unstable overclock or a piece of flakey hardware.
 
bigdogchris said:
Eww, Consumer Reports is recommending to not upgrade to 8.

I happen to agree and am glad the casual consumers are getting the right advice.
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It will be in everyones best interest if as few people as possible use Windows 8. Between Metro and the Ribbon UI it's the biggest POS I've ever had the displeasure of using.
 
PornoSatan said:
It will be in everyones best interest if as few people as possible use Windows 8. Between Metro and the Ribbon UI it's the biggest POS I've ever had the displeasure of using.
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LOL. I work on a Windows 8 machine all day and never have to deal with the Ribbon UI. Hell, in Windows XP I never needed to use the damn toolbar and I do systems admin work all day. Metro is a non issue as well. People just love to bitch about any little change. You're probably the same guy that bitches about the ribbon in Office which gives it much improved productivity.
 
Moved to win8 last week. I noticed a few things.. My boot times are faster, My PC will actually go to sleep and come back out of it!!!! With my OC this was never possible before and now it works like a champ. I do see some wierd stutters every once in a while. There is a bios update for my board taht has win8 fixes so who knows.. it could be the issue. Really like it so far.
 
Copyright said:
Moved to win8 last week. I noticed a few things.. My boot times are faster, My PC will actually go to sleep and come back out of it!!!! With my OC this was never possible before and now it works like a champ. I do see some wierd stutters every once in a while. There is a bios update for my board taht has win8 fixes so who knows.. it could be the issue. Really like it so far.
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Did you notice how it's exactly like Windows 7 but with a less productive UI? :p MS should be slapped

/usr/home said:
LOL. I work on a Windows 8 machine all day and never have to deal with the Ribbon UI. Hell, in Windows XP I never needed to use the damn toolbar and I do systems admin work all day. Metro is a non issue as well. People just love to bitch about any little change. You're probably the same guy that bitches about the ribbon in Office which gives it much improved productivity.
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What "toolbar"? You mean the taskbar? Maybe you should go back to the *nix or *bsd you came from, atleast then I could respect you more. ;)
 
Too much headache. I sold off my Windows 8 copies and went back to Windows 7 both on my desktop and laptop. So far, I don't feel like I'm missing out on much at all. Computer's already blazing fast thanks to Samsung 830 SSDs
 
PornoSatan said:
Did you notice how it's exactly like Windows 7 but with a less productive UI?
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I think it's rather funny that so many people are 'objectively' claiming that it's a less productive UI. I don't see how it's less productive. Any 'productive' task is done essentially the same way in Windows 8. The only thing that's likely less productive is using Metro apps, but luckily Metro apps are entirely 100% optional to use.

Of course, feel free to provide examples of tasks you feel take more time/effort on Windows 8.
 
TeeJayHoward said:
2. The inability to perform large file copies.

I've got a folder with 27,000 files in it totaling 6.5TB in size on another server. If I attempt to copy it to a local Storage Space, Windows performs the pre-copy procedures, then aborts the copy process without an error or any sort of notification. Instead of pulling from the server, I have to remote into it and then push the files.
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Doesn't the "copy" option puts everything in memory? How u going to put 6.5tb of information in standby memory???
 
I got Windows 8 Pro 64 bit for free through Dreamspark. I have had no problems besides Win8 hating Plex Media Server. I cannot use it, if I mass update my library, I get a BSOD saying IQRL_NOT_LES_OR_EQUAL. I researched the problem and updated drivers and such. Same thing continues to happen. So, I used this as a pretty good reason to build a NAS and have my own server.

I have never had an issue with games running on Win8. No compatibility issues. The Apps are pretty cool, but are rarely used.

I like it.
 
Dogs said:
I think it's rather funny that so many people are 'objectively' claiming that it's a less productive UI. I don't see how it's less productive. Any 'productive' task is done essentially the same way in Windows 8. The only thing that's likely less productive is using Metro apps, but luckily Metro apps are entirely 100% optional to use.

Of course, feel free to provide examples of tasks you feel take more time/effort on Windows 8.
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Bingo. This is the most bitter complaints of Windows 8 opponents often are based on their lack of understanding of how it actually works differently than prior versions of Windows.
 
ManofGod said:
Sounds to me more like it could be an unstable overclock or a piece of flakey hardware.
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I thought that too -- so Ive been running my 2500K at stock speeds, same with my GPUs'

still get random crashes every few days.

The other odd thing is when I do get a crash -- it reboots just fine ,however my USB Wifi adapter doesn't actually "work" till I take it out and put it back it. (it's seen just fine hardware wise, just doesn't actually find my wifi network)

I was able to run my 2500K @ 4.5Ghz along with highly overclocked 7970's all day long, 24/7 for weeks bitcoin mining. Why it's so unstable just sitting at the desktop or surfing the web now running at stock speeds tells me it's Win8

I'm not annoyed enough yet to switch back - but if there isn't some huge patch in a few months I'll say screw it and stay with Win7 - that thing is like a rock.
 
collegeboy69us said:
I thought that too -- so Ive been running my 2500K at stock speeds, same with my GPUs'

still get random crashes every few days.

The other odd thing is when I do get a crash -- it reboots just fine ,however my USB Wifi adapter doesn't actually "work" till I take it out and put it back it. (it's seen just fine hardware wise, just doesn't actually find my wifi network)

I was able to run my 2500K @ 4.5Ghz along with highly overclocked 7970's all day long, 24/7 for weeks bitcoin mining. Why it's so unstable just sitting at the desktop or surfing the web now running at stock speeds tells me it's Win8

I'm not annoyed enough yet to switch back - but if there isn't some huge patch in a few months I'll say screw it and stay with Win7 - that thing is like a rock.
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Do you have CPU virtualization support enabled in your BIOS? I have seen this on a couple Win8 machines where VT-D is enabled and no VM hypervisor like Hyper-V or VirtualBox is installed. It can cause Win8 to crash and have issues.


I have been running Win8 for over 3 months on my everyday work machine and not had any issues. Thing is rock solid and quicker than when it ran Win7.
 
Grentz said:
Do you have CPU virtualization support enabled in your BIOS? I have seen this on a couple Win8 machines where VT-D is enabled and no VM hypervisor like Hyper-V or VirtualBox is installed. It can cause Win8 to crash and have issues.


I have been running Win8 for over 3 months on my everyday work machine and not had any issues. Thing is rock solid and quicker than when it ran Win7.
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Weird, I have had the same issue...although I am running vmware within the OS. For me 8 was a good go for 3 days, the instability and random reboots, along with a few updates that simply would not work...caused me to run back to 7. I'll give it a new go after a SP is released.

On the flip side of the coin, 8 is simply great on my wife's lappy.
 
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