Intel's NUC (smaller than ITX) Socket 1155

Features from the Product manual of the D33217CK Product Manual

Form Factor 4.0 inches by 4.0 inches (101.60 millimeters by 101.60 millimeters)
Processor • Soldered-down Intel® Core™ i3-3217U processor with up to 17 W TDP
― Integrated graphics
― Integrated memory controller
Memory • Two 204-pin DDR3 SDRAM Small Outline Dual Inline Memory Module
(SO-DIMM) sockets
• Support for DDR3 1600 MHz, DDR3 1333 MHz, and DDR3 1066 MHz
SO-DIMMs
• Support for 1 Gb, 2 Gb, and 4 Gb memory technology
• Support for up to 16 GB of system memory with two SO-DIMMs using 4 Gb
memory technology
• Support for non-ECC memory
• Support for 1.35 V low voltage JEDEC memory
Chipset Intel® QS77 Express Chipset consisting of the Intel® QS77 Express Platform
Controller Hub (PCH)
Connectivity Thunderbolt™ Technology Interface
Graphics • Integrated graphics support for processors with Intel® Graphics Technology:
― One High Definition Multimedia Interface* (HDMI*) back panel connector
Audio Intel® High Definition Audio via the HDMI v1.4a interfaces
Peripheral
Interfaces
• USB 2.0 ports:
― Three front panel ports (via one dual-port internal header and one front
panel connector)
― Two ports are implemented with vertical back panel connectors
― One port is reserved for the PCI Express* Half-Mini Card
― One port is reserved for the PCI Express Full-Mini Card
• SATA port:
― One internal mSATA port (PCI Express Full-Mini Card) for SSD support
Expansion
Capabilities
• One PCI Express Half-Mini Card connector
• One PCI Express Full-Mini Card connector
BIOS • Intel® BIOS resident in the Serial Peripheral Interface (SPI) Flash device
• Support for Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI), Plug and
Play, and System Management BIOS (SMBIOS)
continued
Intel Desktop Board D33217CK Technical Product Specification
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Table 1. Feature Summary (continued)
Hardware Monitor
Subsystem
Hardware monitoring subsystem, based on a Nuvoton NPCE791C embedded
controller, including:
• Voltage sense to detect out of range power supply voltages
• Thermal sense to detect out of range thermal values
• One processor fan header
• Fan sense input used to monitor fan activity
• Simple fan speed control


Features of the i3-3217U can be found on the Intel ARK page.
Features of the QS77 Mobile Chipset can be found here.
 
Support for up to 16 GB of system memory with two SO-DIMMs using 4 Gb memory technology

LoLwut
 
yeah, in the brand compatibility tables they list 8GB SODIMMs, so I'm gathering that it's a typo and they actually do support up to 16GB of memory.

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From the manual:

The board utilizes 16 GB of addressable system memory. Typically the address space
that is allocated for PCI Conventional bus add-in cards, PCI Express configuration
space, BIOS (SPI Flash device), and chipset overhead resides above the top of DRAM
(total system memory). On a system that has 16 GB of system memory installed, it is
not possible to use all of the installed memory due to system address space being
allocated for other system critical functions. These functions include the following:
• BIOS/SPI Flash device (16 Mbit)
• Local APIC (19 MB)
• Direct Media Interface (40 MB)
• PCI Express configuration space (256 MB)
• PCH base address registers PCI Express ports (up to 256 MB)
• Memory-mapped I/O that is dynamically allocated for PCI Express add-in cards
(256 MB)
The board provides the capability to reclaim the physical memory overlapped by the
memory mapped I/O logical address space. The board remaps physical memory from
the top of usable DRAM boundary to the 4 GB boundary to an equivalent sized logical
address range located just above the 4 GB boundary. Figure 7 shows a schematic of
the system memory map. All installed system memory can be used when there is no
overlap of system addresses.

So, looks like actually 15GB of 16GB is addressable for users if all of the system memory is used for its designed purpose.
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It's no typo. 4Gb density translates into an 8GB stick. 4Gb x 8 chips per side x 2 sides = 8GB stick.

I wonder what the third SKU is. Nothing is mentioned on the page apart from its existence.
 
Also looks like the physical board is 101.6mm square (not 100mm exactly)... conveniently the same width as a 3.5" drive :p

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what do you guys think of the ability to daisychain units together with thunderbolt? what would that be useful for as a consumer?
 
ekuest said:
what do you guys think of the ability to daisychain units together with thunderbolt? what would that be useful for as a consumer?
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Dunno as an end user, but for large customers I could see modularity of a super-size/resolution displays (i.e. one of these attached to the back of 1-4 bezel-free HDTVs in a larger array as individual drivers of a larger video stream). Maybe executive elements of a Mesh wifi array (load balancing across all available channels)?
 
Okay seriously, whom do I have to shut up and shove my money to to get one of these? :x
 
I wanted atlest 1 sata HDD port for some decent sized internal storage. Really need USB3 though.

Does it have gigabit lan?

Now all I need is a compact thunderbolt GPU enclosure with a 660ti or a decent mobile GPU via thunderbolt
 
Nab a case with a bunch of 3.5" drive bays and have a cluster farm in a single box ;)

I'd get one just to play with pfsense/untangle
 
No SATA ports and no USB 3 and no socketed CPU = absolutely no sale for me. And it boggles the mind that they can't potentially fit a 35w processor in that form-factor (it can be done!)

For example:

Mac Mini 2011 has Thunderbolt, a Core i5 i5-2520M (35w TDP) and a discrete HD 6630M (~10w TDP) in a slightly larger package. It still manages to stay cool and quiet. The NUC is smaller, but it's not such a big change that a 35w processor alone is out.

I realize the NUC has Thunderbolt, but it's a complete design kludge to expect users to work around the lack of I/O by using more expensive Thunderbolt adapters. And it's bad practice to hang so much I/O on a single marginally-fast bus - if you have any hopes and dreams of running a video card off it, you'd better make damn sure that's all you're running.
 
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defaultluser said:
No SATA ports and no USB 3 and no socketed CPU = absolutely no sale for me. And it boggles the mind that they can't potentially fit a 35w processor in that form-factor (it can be done!)

For example:

Mac Mini 2011 has Thunderbolt, a Core i5 i5-2520M (35w TDP) and a discrete HD 6630M (~10w TDP) in a slightly larger package. It still manages to stay cool and quiet. The NUC is smaller, but it's not such a big change that a 35w processor alone is out.
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I don't care about the sata as much but I don't see why it doesn't have USB 3.0



And to be fair:

Assuming the NUC is ~2" thick, your HD 6630M equipped Mac Mini is both double the volume and price. That could have a lot to do with why it doesn't have a 35w cpu or discreet gpu.
 
defaultluser said:
No SATA ports and no USB 3 and no socketed CPU = absolutely no sale for me. And it boggles the mind that they can't potentially fit a 35w processor in that form-factor (it can be done!)

For example:

Mac Mini 2011 has Thunderbolt, a Core i5 i5-2520M (35w TDP) and a discrete HD 6630M (~10w TDP) in a slightly larger package. It still manages to stay cool and quiet. The NUC is smaller, but it's not such a big change that a 35w processor alone is out.

I realize the NUC has Thunderbolt, but it's a complete design kludge to expect users to work around the lack of I/O by using more expensive Thunderbolt adapters. And it's bad practice to hang so much I/O on a single marginally-fast bus - if you have any hopes and dreams of running a video card off it, you'd better make damn sure that's all you're running.
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It's a significantly different size, both in footprint and volume. Where on the 4" x 4" board do you suppose a discrete GPU can fit?
 
You have to keep in mind that the Mac Mini is approximately 4 times as large. It's about 8" square vs 4" square. There is no room for a socketed CPU (or adequate cooling) or pretty much anything else.
 
Blue Fox said:
You have to keep in mind that the Mac Mini is approximately 4 times as large. It's about 8" square vs 4" square. There is no room for a socketed CPU (or adequate cooling) or pretty much anything else.
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more like 2.66 times as large by the math, and it has the psu integrated, whereas im sure the NUC will have a cuhnky external power brick. also the base model is only 1.5 times as much as the nuc, for an i5 and 2GB ram. i dont know if the $400 suggested price of the NUC includes ram and an ssd or not, but if not then that would be another cost to figure in. the mac comes fully equipped. i think the mac mini is actually fairly well priced, and will definitely be the main competitor to the NUC.
 
rflcptr said:
It's a significantly different size, both in footprint and volume. Where on the 4" x 4" board do you suppose a discrete GPU can fit?
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I'm not asking for it to fit a discrete graphics card, I'm simply noting that the Mac Mini can comfortably and quietly dissipate almost three times the heat the NUC will generate. I realize we are talking about a smaller device, but I was ONLY talking about having a 35w CPU.

Blue Fox said:
You have to keep in mind that the Mac Mini is approximately 4 times as large. It's about 8" square vs 4" square. There is no room for a socketed CPU (or adequate cooling) or pretty much anything else.
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And that's a poor design decision because, aside from the "4x4" numbers they get to proclaim on their glossy literature, the limited motherboard size serves no useful purpose that could not have been equally served by bumping the size up to between 5x5 and 6x6 and making it more capable.

With it limited to 18w i3 CPUs, it's basically the "Pay an extra $100 for your incredibly slow Core i3 desktop club!" (tray price to OEMs = $225, it's half the cost of the NUC!) And yes, I said *SLOW* - without Turbo Boost, Intel's 18w segment is painful for regular use.
 
Just because you don't see the value of having something so small doesn't mean others won't. You could argue that the Mac Mini is useless because it has just as much expandability or that any of VIA's pico-ITX offerings are useless, but they clearly sell. I don't see how it would be "painful" to use either...people still use netbooks (and this is far ahead in terms of performance) nor does everyone upgrade their hardware every 2 years. I would have no issues replacing my secondary desktop (which has an i5-2520M) with one of these.
 
The base model mac mini doesn't include a discrete GPU, it uses the Intel 3000; this uses the intel 4000.

For what's it's marketed use is: HTPC, electronic signage, light use, I think this box is perfectly set for internal hardware and size. Could they have gone with a larger CPU? Sure, but it would have necessitated larger casing for heat disipation and more noise, and you wouldn't have used any of that added cpu cycles for it's intented purpose.
 
I wonder if this could fit into a single din (double would be easy) slot... Hrmm
 
From the Intel site:
SKUs and availability
DC3217IYE (2x HDMI)
Available Nov 2012
DC3217BY (1x Thunderbolt + 1x HDMI)
Available Dec 2012
DCCP487DYE (???)
Available Q1 2013
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Is there any documentation on DCCP487DYE?
 
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I mentioned the third SKU earlier and was unable to find anything about it other than the fact that it well, exists.
 
Blue Fox said:
I mentioned the third SKU earlier and was unable to find anything about it other than the fact that it well, exists.
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obviously that is the one we all want. release models are for suckers. :)
 
I'm impatient as hell, but my Supermicro ITX board is pretty nice. Dual HDMI, dual Intel NICs, IPMI, and an i5-2520m. Tough call there. :(
 
Has anyone heard about the availability of the NUC? It said Nov 2012 which is here, but I haven't heard even a peep about them in a while...

I'm itching to buy one as an HTPC
 
waiting to see if they announce one that has thunderbolt and usb 3... really exciting stuff though, can't wait to see the rigs people come up with for these.
 
Anandtech has a hands-on report:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6444/intels-next-unit-of-computing-hands-on

If the barebone unit cost $300. You'll need to buy the C6 power cord, SDD, Ram, and OS. By my calculations, the a decent amount of RAM (min 8 GB) and the SSD (min 128 GB) alone add up to another $180. Add the power cord, $4. And the OS, let's say $30 if you caught the Win 8 deal. That's $514.

I would like at least 16 GB of RAM and 256 GB of SSD. At this point, I don't need to do any additional more math, because a Mac Mini is the better performer and less costlier unit!
 
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CHANG3D said:
Anandtech has a hands-on report:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6444/intels-next-unit-of-computing-hands-on

If the barebone unit cost $300. You'll need to buy the C6 power cord, SDD, Ram, and OS. By my calculations, the a decent amount of RAM (min 8 GB) and the SSD (min 128 GB) alone add up to another $180. Add the power cord, $4. And the OS, let's say $30 if you caught the Win 8 deal. That's $514.

I would like at least 16 GB of RAM and 256 GB of SSD. At this point, I don't need to do any additional more math, because a Mac Mini is the better performer and less costlier unit!
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Not bad..

I may replace my Acer Revo 1600 XBMC live machine with the gigabit version. All I'd really need is the power cord.
 
What would be the odds of getting a mini PCI-e nic to work in these?
Something like the ADMPEISLA or ADMPEIDLA from Jetway.
It could be turned into a killer pfsense machine :)
 
Can't believe I didn't know about the NUC sooner. Technology is moving forward very fast :D

Checking out the DC32171YE on Newegg, it does not appear to come with RAM :(
 
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