Starcrossed
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(Of course, I don't run in common circles, nor while conformist dogmatists.)
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A shitload eh? And how much are they paying on average per KWH for that privilege... oh wait, that's right, we paid for over half of it for them. And I imagine that they proooobably still rely on the grid, particularly like this week where its been constant thundershowers with very little sunlight and of course there is that pesky problem of the sun only being particularly useful between 11AM-5PM... actually even less so when you have solar panels like on most homes that can't rotate and follow the sun.I've known a shitload of people that run their entire houses off of solar power.
You make yourself look like an idiot, not because you couldn't do two seconds in a google search, but because I already posted not only that its gassified but that its called syngas.
By burning the gas produced by the chemical reaction and capturing the heat produced to drive a steam turbine instead of the coal, you greatly reduce pollution.
Next time, do us all a favor and avoid going full-retard if you don't know what you're talking about.
So when your argument fails, you make up your own "facts". Nice, so name one coal plant in the United States still in operation that hasn't been upgraded with scrubbers years ago. Oops!
Clean coal is a series of technologies that are constantly being upgraded through the years, and all US plants have by law implemented various clean-coal technologies else the annual fines would bury them.
The latest clean coal involves eliminating CO2 output, but carbon dioxide coming out of a 500ft stack well dispersed is hardly something that is going to have you keeling over.
A shitload eh? And how much are they paying on average per KWH for that privilege... oh wait, that's right, we paid for over half of it for them. And I imagine that they proooobably still rely on the grid, particularly like this week where its been constant thundershowers with very little sunlight and of course there is that pesky problem of the sun only being particularly useful between 11AM-5PM... actually even less so when you have solar panels like on most homes that can't rotate and follow the sun.
During the summer months my electric meter runs backwards, so I don't care when I use the electricity, or even if I use it on the same day.During the summer months, my AC runs at night. Oh, and btw, you are welcome. Glad my tax dollars were able to help you with your project.
whoops, didn't realize how far this ballooned out of control.
Oh OK, see here I was assuming that $50 billion investment in coal-plant upgrades in the clean-coal initiative and new syngas plant designs (there are 144 in operation btw) were significant... at least more significant than the "less than 1%" statistic you have so conveniently pulled from your posterior.I know you are connected to the coal industry somehow, its the only explanation as to why you would try to pull the same dirty tricks as the coal industry. You throw up a "this is clean coal, its great!" type bullshit in the first post I quoted, yet don't mention that less then 1% of coal plants actually use anything more then scrubbers.
Is this a false-flag debate tactic to make solar power advocates sound like irrational earth-mother hippies?starcrossed said:respecting the environment around them and maintain a cohesion with the values of neighboring Native American tribe.
Is this a false-flag debate tactic to make solar power advocates sound like irrational earth-mother hippies?
It will be quite amazing when solar power breaks the 1% adoption range, especially if it can do so without over 100% subsidy rate.
And storing energy requires a lot of energy, and any engineer knows that the first rule is that you can't even break even.
LOL...as unrelated as it sounds, there is a definitive relation between photons falling out of the sky and coal. Nature invented it, the Sun provided the energy for it. Yep, that's right: Solar power is responsible for coal production through multiple biological and chemical reaction processes occurring over time. I am good with using that kind of solar power.
Obviously no one is arguing that solar should be our only energy source, but there's no reason it can't be a part of the overall strategy.
The irony coming from someone who posted a little micro-blog from a hardcore LA liberal otherwise known only for his leftist views on his radio show as an authority. *epic facepalm*
the thing is we have it now
its called LFTR
Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK367T7h6ZY
OH and its safer then most coal power the issue is getting the gov't and public over the fear of the nuclear boggy man
Has anyone calculated what the average price per KWH would be on that power source though over say a 50 year recovery period for the cost of the plant?There is enough thorium in the U.S.A. to power nuclear reactors for at least the next 10,000 years, and they create 10-10,000 times less long term waste.
The smartest thing we can do is standardize a thorium power plant design that produces 4-5k MW, and then build 20+ of them.
Someone needs to untwist their panties and actually bother reading the thread. We've already hashed over the CO2 debate, including sequestration technologies of pumping it under many layers of clay underground, providing it to the oil industry to help with oil recovery (even better, helps offset the cost and doesn't go into the atmosphere), or under salt-water aquifers. Your welcome for rehashing the discussion you either couldn't remember or didn't bother to read.Kid, you're so confused in this thread that you can't even keep posts straight. I posted no microblog. You're truly original; You espouse science at every corner, then when it comes to CO2 production you couldn't be bothered.
Please explain to the class how a 10K watt gas unit is inferior to a 10K watt diesel unit?And I'm not sure who it was who was bragging about buying a gas generator...gas, are you fucking serious? Gas generators are pure short use SHIT and I wouldn't have one. You want a REAL generator, go diesel.
Austin is hippy central, but when the college students grow up they quickly learn to mix a dose of reality with their ideology and change their tune quickly... myself included (I'm a Longhorn).I think looking Texas for guidance on energy policy is probably one of the more retarded mistakes a nation could make -- outside of Austin.
How emberassing for you.
Austin is hippy central, but when the college students grow up they quickly learn to mix a dose of reality with their ideology and change their tune quickly... myself included (I'm a Longhorn).
Oh, and you might want to take your foot out of your mouth when you realize that Texas is a world leader in energy production, INCLUDING investment in alternative energy sources. For example, I wonder which state produces the most wind power?
Oops, its Texas! 10,377 MW of capacity. How emberassing for you.
ROFLMAO! Someone has watched too many Western movies. Hold on, I gotta kick this tumbleweed out of the way.the place is a large, barren wasteland
What a barren wasteland... pfft.
ROFLMAO! Someone has watched too many Western movies. Hold on, I gotta kick this tumbleweed out of the way.
Its a satelite photo, and if you look at the rest of the US, its average to above average greenery. And when I'm flying on the weekend I'm constantly flying over green forests and farms.An over-colored picture from space is about the only way you can make that place look good....
Please explain to the class how a 10K watt gas unit is inferior to a 10K watt diesel unit?
Diesels are usually reserved for very large scale systems, such as an office building, and are almost unheard of for home use.
Gas units are cost effective, very quiet, clean, and are typically installed permanently. Natural gas prices at least in Texas are REDICULOUSLY cheap and at historic lows, whereas diesel prices are rising steadily every six months. There is furthermore no concern with natural gas generators in leaving old fuel in the unit, and they tend to be the most reliable. In a pinch, they can run on cans of liquid propane.
If you are just in a hurricane prone area or just want backup for your entire home for bad storms and the like, gas generators are excellent, and can be had for about $1000-$5000 in the 5K to 20K watt range which is more than enough for the home.
If you are in an earthquake prone area, then gas lines can be interupted along with the power, and gas is less ideal. Still for home use you will find virtually ALL small generators are gasoline powered and not diesel. They produce excellent power for their size and weight, which offsets the slight drop in efficiency.
Not just pricing, but weight and size since they can use lightweight blocks and the efficiency difference isn't as big in cars because they aren't direct injection turbo diesels on the cheapo generators. Mine is rated .22 gallons per hour for example, so you can run 4 hours for about $3 which is fine IMO.Now granted, for very short term use a small gas generator is going to have the advantage just due to the pricing but I never ever look at short term since the area I live in is prone to hurricanes where the power could potentially be gone for 2+ weeks if shit gets bad like it did during Katrina, hence my rabid support for a diesel based unit.