U.N. Takeover Of The Internet Must Be Stopped

Why doesn't the un - which is headquartered in the U.S. - move to one of these other more free, more tolerant, more wise, more caring, less political, less military, less corporate, less corrupt nations that many of the forum posters here speak about?

And when the un moves, all those forum posters can go with it. I'm sure life, liberty, and freedom will be magnitudes better there.
 
hellokeith said:
And when the un moves, all those forum posters can go with it. I'm sure life, liberty, and freedom will be magnitudes better there.
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Yes because the US is (right now) such a paragon of liberty and freedom, right?


And it is completely impossible for any country, in the whole wide world, to be more free than the good ol' USA, right?



:rolleyes:
 
OK, so it is really a matter of the lesser off two evils. But, the UN is certainly not the lesser evil.
 
Antarctica should control the internet.

Or Mexico, bet they put up borders and get pissed when you internet illegals try to get in.
 
Raudulfr said:
Yes because the US is (right now) such a paragon of liberty and freedom, right?

And it is completely impossible for any country, in the whole wide world, to be more free than the good ol' USA, right?
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You offer criticism without offering a solution.
 
They want your guns too. Disarm the US citizens, supported by Obama and Holder. A one world order in the making.
 
I think it's time for the US Government to take it's political balls out of hibernation, where they have been for some time now, and put us back to being what we used to be.

A country that didn't take any shit from anyone.

Including China.
 
TechLarry said:
I think it's time for the US Government to take it's political balls out of hibernation, where they have been for some time now, and put us back to being what we used to be.

A country that didn't take any shit from anyone.

Including China.
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but but but we need China to fund our programs to help our good representatives in this country to get re-elected.
 
America controls the internet now.

The UN resolution wants to put control of the internet into international domain. Sucks for America, but complaining this is going to threaten the internet is really just complaining America will lose their stranglehold over the web.
 
Sure there is a lot influence from western democracies, but "America" does not control the internet now. Our politicians are not in power yet. They would love to be in control of what goes on at least in the states, but their sights aren't set that high. People in the U.S. have more to worry on that matter than countries in the third world.

This is much more than a mere lesser of two evils. This is the difference between "meh, maybe not so great" vs. a dystopian wet nightmare come true.
 
aw c'mon guys

if you aren't doing anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about

really

honest

for reals
 
Yeah, dawg, just say only nice thing about your politicians, den you ain't sayin' notin wrong.
 
The internet is solely an American invention. It stays controlled here. Fuck the rest of the world. Let them make there own and control it.
 
They'll eventually take control - it's only a matter of time before they start collecting special UN taxes to enforce the safety of children on the internet .etc

What is that saying? The road to hell is paved with the best of intentions?

Enjoy your relative freedom while you can guys.
 
Methadras said:
The internet is solely an American invention. It stays controlled here. Fuck the rest of the world. Let them make there own and control it.
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What most people commonly experience as "the internet" is actually the world-wide-web. An invention of Tim Berners-Lee, a British citizen, working at CERN in France in the late 1980's and early 90's. I point that out because it's important to remember that the internet, the web, and many of the technologies that support them were developed and popularized collaboratively between people of many different nations. The success and development of the internet cannot be credited to any single country.
 
All that free speech on the internet sure is a hassle for the powers that be.
 
delahaya said:
If you think what the US does is anything like what Arab Muslim countries, Russia, China and even many European countries do with the internet, then you are simply mistaken. Not even close.
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Not sure where I said anything even close to that. You read an awful lot into one sentence. Might want to re-read my post. If you only quote part of what I posted, it's clearly out of context. (Do you work for the government? I know they're really good at that.) However, when you read what I quoted from the article (I'll repost it--emphasis addedd--for you to make it easier), it should be pretty clear:

"These are terrible ideas," Rep. Fred Upton, a Michigan Republican, said during a U.S. House of Representatives hearing. They could allow "governments to monitor and restrict content or impose economic costs upon international data flows," added Ambassador Philip Verveer, a deputy assistant secretary of state.
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Go do some reading on Operation in Our Sites. The US government essentially wants to be able to seize any domain at any time for any reason. That's what they're working towards. If that isn't "restricting content" or "imposing economic costs [on improperly seized businesses]", I don't know what is. Sad to say, that actually is slowly getting closer to what China and other countries do. I'm not going to spoon feed you all the garbage the US government has been doing. Take some time out of your busy schedule and read some news. This country (still the greatest in the world) is doing everything it can to undo what the Founding Fathers created. One by one, our rights and freedoms are being taken away. The fact that people are so willing to turn a blind eye and can't see what this is slowly leading to is utterly sickening.
 
The UN already collects money from member states, or at least, makes such attempts.

I would think both sides of the American political landscape could agree on this topic. The internet has been an overwhelming success for the US, as a public and private endeavor. Under the present auspices, it has flourished for commerce, freedom of thought and expression. There is NO need to change.
 
Noetic said:
There is NO need to change.
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Unless you're a country that feels that the free flow of information that the internet provides is a threat to its control over its population. All you have to do is look at which regimes are pushing for this. Russia and China want to control the internet with an "internet security" regime. Security in this case is a codeword for censorship. They've mentioned wanting an "alternative to ICANN". Look at what ICANN does: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICANN Of note is this:

This work includes coordination of the Internet Protocol address spaces (IPv4 and IPv6) and assignment of address blocks to regional Internet registries, for maintaining registries of Internet protocol identifiers, and for the management of the top-level domain name space (DNS root zone), which includes the operation of root nameservers.
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There's only one reason the Chinese and Russians would want control over that, and that's to be able to shut down whatever they want whenever they want wherever they want. In their eyes there's a need for change because they want to be able to restrict information. This can never be allowed to happen.
 
Wouldn't hurt my feelings if I lost access to sites in Russia, Saud Arab, China and Iran. Save me some time removing malware from family / friend computers.
 
powertower said:
Wouldn't hurt my feelings if I lost access to sites in Russia, Saud Arab, China and Iran. Save me some time removing malware from family / friend computers.
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One can do this now by running certain packages on some firewalls. pfBlocker on pfSense works well for my needs.
 
Hamish Campbell said:
What most people commonly experience as "the internet" is actually the world-wide-web. An invention of Tim Berners-Lee, a British citizen, working at CERN in France in the late 1980's and early 90's. I point that out because it's important to remember that the internet, the web, and many of the technologies that support them were developed and popularized collaboratively between people of many different nations. The success and development of the internet cannot be credited to any single country.
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I'm going back to it's creation, not as a function of the web and the development of the web because it rod on protocols that the internet infrastructure that was already in place. I'm talking about the actual invention of the protocols and infrastructures that formed the beginnings of the internet. Everything else on top of that is icing. Sorry, but that is a sole credit to the US whether you like it or not.
 
Methadras said:
I'm going back to its creation, not as a function of the web and the development of the web because it rode on protocols that the internet infrastructure that was already in place. I'm talking about the actual invention of the protocols and infrastructures that formed the beginnings of the internet. Everything else on top of that is icing. Sorry, but that is a sole credit to the US whether you like it or not.
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It's not that simple - the idea for the network might be American, but the implementation - those protocols you mentioned - actually came from elsewhere (CYCLADES, a French network, emphasized inter-network communication more than ARPANET; the National Physical Laboratory network in the UK brought in packet-based communication, et cetera) and, altogether, give you the Internet as we know it.

Besides, does it really matter that much that the Internet was a cosmopolitan affair?

Further Viewing: The History of the Internet, An Animated Documentary
 
I am trying ot figure out why the UN is still located in NY. Move them to France let them come up with these great ideas on their tax dollars not mine.
 
ounumen said:
I am trying ot figure out why the UN is still located in NY. Move them to France let them come up with these great ideas on their tax dollars not mine.
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Because once upon a time it was a great idea. One that actually furthered US goals. I have no problem admitting, that now that it no longer furthers our goals, there is little reason for us to continue being members outside of our veto power.

Not sure who I am quoting, but it strikes me as correct, "Without the big 5 there is no UN. Because of the big 5's veto power, the UN is, and forever will be, ineffectual at any form of governance."

I suppose I could agree to the US sharing control, so long as there were iron clad provisions stating that censorship would be illegal without due process. Now several of the nations that want control, only want control so they can censor it, extensively. I do not see a good way to share control here due to that. The US already censors it somewhat, but compared to what China, Russia, or the middle eastern, and even some of the EU states want, it is pretty tame.

Obviously, their can be exceptions, very tightly defined exceptions, exceptions that require going through the courts, allowing the accused the right to jury trial and representation in their own jurisdiction, and a fair appeal process that allows operation until the appeal is over. You have to prove the site is illegal, not the other way around.

Yeah, I'm dreaming. It sounds too fair to me.
 
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